Anyone thought that tightning up at the point of sake might be worth a try.

After all one gun for personal protection sounds OK....no need for dozens more for 'hunting " . 

So much nonsense in the replies here. Montgomery Alabama is a majority black city and this was a gang shooting or about bruised egos from man babies. These happen every weekend in black nightclubs all over the country. No idea why ASEANnow decided this was a story this week but not last week.

 

It's got nothing to do gun policy for the entire country or red state vs blue state. These gang infested ghettos are in every state and don't reflect the rest of the state and other demographics.

2 hours ago, bg53 said:

 

You don't think gun control would help.

 

I think it's the only thing worth trying now.

It hasn't worked in the UK
More firearms in the hands of criminals than ever before

1 minute ago, David in the north said:

It hasn't worked in the UK
More firearms in the hands of criminals than ever before

 

 

Gun controls haven't worked in the UK?

 

•  The U.S. had over 15,000 gun deaths, with a per capita rate of 4.42 per 100,000.

•  The U.K.'s gun death rate is over 100 times lower, at 0.04 per 100,000.

5 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

There is a culture in parts of our big cities that doesn't respect human life.  And a wrong look results in violence with no concern for anyone.  

 

And despite what some moronic foreigners who think some new gun law would fix this problem no new law will change that culture.  Nor will it disarm them.  What will?  I have no idea.  

 

You have to start somewhere.

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5 minutes ago, Mark1969 said:

You have to start somewhere.

 

You are correct to say that.......but the US is a lost cause.

 

The staggering indoctrination they have received with this obsession to own/carry guns is ingrained.

 

It would take strong leaders and many generations to change their mindset.

1 hour ago, Tug said:

That’s easy when someone gets in trouble if they have guns confiscate them.other nations have made huge differences with strict gun control.One of my favorite shows on TV is called first 48 no actors just the detectives doing their jobs…chilling tv most of the violence is over really really petty stuff.Im thinking this particular horror is most likely armed young people (gang bangers possibly) and some pettey turf war …..just stupid stuff sad 😞 and so it goes…..

other nations did not have the quantity of guns among the populace so yeah, they were able to basically control that but a waste of time in the US to even begin that effort. IMHO...I had a couple of guns when I lived there.  Only used for target practice.  Of course I don't consider myself a threat to anyone, but some of the recent shooters didn't seem to have problems either.  From what I read, see, and listen to friends and family in the States, not a lot of people are really happy anymore.  IMHO a lot of the cause of this is the lack of real leaders in the government of today!

1 minute ago, Mark1969 said:

You have to start somewhere.

Like enforcing the laws already on the books.  Instead of the revolving prison door policy.   

 

Want to end gun violence, pass a law ...

... 'commit a crime with a gun', then life in jail, no parole

...  Possess an illegal gun, 20 yrs in prison, no parole

... Sell an illegal gun, life in prison, no parole

 

Plenty of gun laws, that criminals ignore already, just need to start enforcing with real sentencing.  

Just now, KhunLA said:

Like enforcing the laws already on the books.  Instead of the revolving prison door policy.   

 

Want to end gun violence, pass a law ...

... 'commit a crime with a gun', then life in jail, no parole

...  Possess an illegal gun, 20 yrs in prison, no parole

... Sell an illegal gun, life in prison, no parole

 

Plenty of gun laws, that criminals ignore already, just need to start enforcing with real sentencing.  

 

Japan to a T.

 

The U.S. had over 15,000 gun deaths, with a per capita rate of 4.42 per 100,000—among the highest in the developed world.

•  Japan’s gun death rate is over 400 times lower, at 0.01 per 100,000, with fewer than 10 deaths nationwide.

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

No it doesn't. It needs gun laws that are strict.

If I could believe that the govt could confiscate all the LEGALLY obtained guns, those inherited from older family member passing, and strictly control the manufacture of Ghost guns then there would only be millions of guns still unaccounted for IMHO and some of those would be held by seemingly sane and responsible people that for some reason fly off the handle so to speak and shoot someone considered a threat to that person.  I do not believe the govt could do any better at controlling weapons than they do about drugs used illegally.  Just what is that attitude, using mind altering drugs for recreation  - there are much better ways to feel good IMHO, and now the researchers have even learned that marijuana add a cancer risk for some though don't want to hijack this thread.

6 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

You are correct to say that.......but the US is a lost cause.

 

The staggering indoctrination they have received with this obsession to own/carry guns is ingrained.

 

It would take strong leaders and many generations to change their mindset.

Your leaders have given your country to islam. Who is the lost cause again?

24 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

So much nonsense in the replies here. Montgomery Alabama is a majority black city and this was a gang shooting or about bruised egos from man babies. These happen every weekend in black nightclubs all over the country. No idea why ASEANnow decided this was a story this week but not last week.

 

It's got nothing to do gun policy for the entire country or red state vs blue state. These gang infested ghettos are in every state and don't reflect the rest of the state and other demographics.

 

According to the FBI statistics, that's the elephant in the room that you can't mention without being called out as a racist.

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Japan to a T.

 

The U.S. had over 15,000 gun deaths, with a per capita rate of 4.42 per 100,000—among the highest in the developed world.

•  Japan’s gun death rate is over 400 times lower, at 0.01 per 100,000, with fewer than 10 deaths nationwide.

 And ... did JP allow up to 20M criminals to enter the past few years.   Or have drug cartels controlling whole sections of inner cities, suburbs.   Have 100+M illegal guns already in circulation.

 

Does JP have 75% of a racial demographic population growing up in single parent (fatherless) homes.

 

Does JP have sanctuary cities and states, that allow, actually help, illegal aliens, convicted of felonies, to remain instead of being deported.

 

Nothing but Mango & Papaya comparisons.

9 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Japan to a T.

 

The U.S. had over 15,000 gun deaths, with a per capita rate of 4.42 per 100,000—among the highest in the developed world.

•  Japan’s gun death rate is over 400 times lower, at 0.01 per 100,000, with fewer than 10 deaths nationwide.

 

That's not a gun thing.  That's a culture thing that we can't mention without being called out as racist.

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

According to the FBI statistics, that's the elephant in the room that you can't mention without being called out as a racist.

 You can mention it, people are all of the sudden deaf to the cause of the problem, and try to blame on something or someone else.

 

The white, asain, black & hispanic MF'er killing people should be shot on site, and never make to a court room ... IMHO

 

'Freeze, drop the weapon" ... shouldn't even be allowed to be spoken.  Just shoot & kill the F'ers.

 

Anyone discharging a weapon at any living thing that isn't defending themselves, doesn't deserve to live among us.

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

 And ... did JP allow up to 20M criminals to enter the past few years.   Or have drug cartels controlling whole sections of inner cities, suburbs.   Have 100+M illegal guns already in circulation.

 

Does JP have 75% of a racial demographic population growing up in single parent (fatherless) homes.

 

Does JP have sanctuary cities and states, that allow, actually help, illegal aliens, convicted of felonies, to remain instead of being deported.

 

Nothing but Mango & Papaya comparisons.

 

 

 

Maybe if the Yanks had the gun laws you suggest you wouldn't be in such a mess .............immigration or no immigration.

 

 

Everyone needs to listen to Nick Fuentes or The Based Conservative channel on YT.  The only pundits who dare to say what no one dares to say. The fatigue is real.

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

That's not a gun thing.  That's a culture thing that we can't mention without being called out as racist.

 

 

That is such a cop out......people are still dying ...............eradicate guns and the gun problem goes away regardless of race.

2 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

 

It won't make a lick of difference.  I've seen estimates that there are over 300 million guns in America.  How do you get them back?  I assure you even if they can pass a constitutional amendment to make that legal there will be little cooperation in it.  And even if MOST Americans would turn them in the ones who won't are exactly the ones committing most of the shootings now.

 

As to comments "assault weapons ban" total nonsense.  Most of these criminals carry a handgun not any sort of rifle.  And many of them install a "switch" that is easily manufactured via 3D printing.  That switch converts a semiautomatic Glock into a full-auto spray gun.  And they have no clue where those bullets are going they close their eyes and spray in the general direction of their perceived enemy.  

 

On second thought there are laws that might help.  Toughen the laws for a felon caught with a gun and no plea bargains.  Allow police to stop and search suspicious characters (stop calling racism or harassment) and arrest those caught.  Make the sentences harsher and no early release.  No bail.  And sadly since criminal gangs figured out using underage members to commit crimes since the system goes easy on them lower the age of trial as an adult.

 

I dunno.  Maybe good old fashioned police work and harsh judicial punishment for those committing a violent felony with a gun.  

 

As to this particular shooting I guarantee many of the victims and witnesses KNOW who was doing the shooting but..... well no one will talk.  It's why shooters are rarely caught in these events.

 

I don't believe the US has enough prisons to incarcerate all those that would have extended sentences due to committing a crime and armed while doing it.  It definitely should be a law already guaranteeing an extra 10 years in prison beside the crime being committed.  But, based on history, I don't think that would be a deterent .  I sure don't know the answer of how it could be done as I am also well aware of the effects of drug charges against people ruining their careers and futures yet millions continue with their drug use even though it is a crime against the state but also against nature.

9 minutes ago, impulse said:

That's not a gun thing.  That's a culture thing that we can't mention without being called out as racist

 

Exactly. If I know that 90% of dog attacks in a certain street or neighborhood are committed by one specific pack of dogs, it doesn't make me a dog hater if I cross the street if I see one or more of them coming at me. I'm simply using plain math and statistics to form an approach for my physical well being. 

12 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Does JP have 75% of a racial demographic population growing up in single parent (fatherless) homes.

 

That's one tragic result of The Great Society, because the welfare benefits are reduced if there's a 2 parent household. 

 

While people like Thomas Sowell will agree with you, the race baiters will claim that serial cohabitation is just as good as having a permanent, full time father in the home.

So get ready to hear that argument, that 75% is an exaggeration.  It may not be the exact number, depending on whose statistics you use.  But you are in the ballpark.

4 minutes ago, Presnock said:

I don't believe the US has enough prisons to incarcerate all those that would have extended sentences due to committing a crime and armed while doing it.  It definitely should be a law already guaranteeing an extra 10 years in prison beside the crime being committed.  But, based on history, I don't think that would be a deterent .  I sure don't know the answer of how it could be done as I am also well aware of the effects of drug charges against people ruining their careers and futures yet millions continue with their drug use even though it is a crime against the state but also against nature.

 

It worked in Japan.

 

Amendments to Japan’s Gun Control Law After 1958

 

📅 1993 & 1995 – 

 

 

•  New crimes added: Possession, trafficking, and concealment offenses.

•  Harsher penalties: Longer prison terms and higher fines.

•  Mitigation clauses: Lighter sentences for voluntary surrender of illegal weapons.

•  Expanded investigative powers: Broader authority for police to search and seize.

 

📅 2008 – Strengthening Oversight

 

•  Focused on tightening licensing procedures and enhancing background checks.

•  Introduced stricter renewal protocols and more frequent inspections.

•  Emphasized mental health monitoring and storage compliance.

4 minutes ago, Sandboxer said:

Exactly. If I know that 90% of dog attacks in a certain street or neighborhood are committed by one specific pack of dogs, it doesn't make me a dog hater if I cross the street if I see one or more of them coming at me. I'm simply using plain math and statistics to form an approach for my physical well being. 

 

The other thing I'd point out is that the vast majority of dog lovers would support getting rid of the pack that's causing the problems.  Just as the vast majority of Black citizens would support getting rid of the criminal element.  The ones with over 100 arrests and dozens of convictions.

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 And ... did JP allow up to 20M criminals to enter the past few years.   Or have drug cartels controlling whole sections of inner cities, suburbs.   Have 100+M illegal guns already in circulation.

 

Does JP have 75% of a racial demographic population growing up in single parent (fatherless) homes.

 

Does JP have sanctuary cities and states, that allow, actually help, illegal aliens, convicted of felonies, to remain instead of being deported.

 

Nothing but Mango & Papaya comparisons.

 

 

Can't you see that those aspects highlighted actually demand laws similar to Japan?

4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

It worked in Japan.

 

Amendments to Japan’s Gun Control Law After 1958

 

📅 1993 & 1995 – 

 

 

•  New crimes added: Possession, trafficking, and concealment offenses.

•  Harsher penalties: Longer prison terms and higher fines.

•  Mitigation clauses: Lighter sentences for voluntary surrender of illegal weapons.

•  Expanded investigative powers: Broader authority for police to search and seize.

 

📅 2008 – Strengthening Oversight

 

•  Focused on tightening licensing procedures and enhancing background checks.

•  Introduced stricter renewal protocols and more frequent inspections.

•  Emphasized mental health monitoring and storage compliance.

Japan's population if totally had even more than one weapon wouldn't come even within 50% of the number of weapons in the US population.  Plus getting some of those laws restricting rights of individuals would never pass the US Congress as they would be against the US Constitution.  After all the US is know for "freedom" 

15 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

That is such a cop out......people are still dying ...............eradicate guns and the gun problem goes away regardless of race.

 

That's a Polyana solution.  Because the bad guys won't give up their guns.  Only the law abiding citizens.  And then, only the bad guys will be armed.  What could possibly go wrong?

 

And all of mine fell overboard on my last trip offshore.

 

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

So much nonsense in the replies here. Montgomery Alabama is a majority black city and this was a gang shooting or about bruised egos from man babies. These happen every weekend in black nightclubs all over the country. No idea why ASEANnow decided this was a story this week but not last week.

 

It's got nothing to do gun policy for the entire country or red state vs blue state. These gang infested ghettos are in every state and don't reflect the rest of the state and other demographics.

Conditions that should be noted are the result of the Democrat racist policies.

 

1 hour ago, impulse said:

That's not a gun thing.  That's a culture thing that we can't mention without being called out as racist.

I dont care what folks call me. The high rate of gun crime in the USA is directly the result of conditions in the black urban hoods. By the way, Most of the gun control laws requiring permits to carry or posses were based on racist efforts to keep guns from black Americans. Guess the Southern KKK Democrats were right, huh? Now in NY,  the Democrat machine rammed through a gun control law to keep guns from the hands of Jews and Italians.

 

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11 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

It worked in Japan.

 

Amendments to Japan’s Gun Control Law After 1958

 

📅 1993 & 1995 – 

 

 

•  New crimes added: Possession, trafficking, and concealment offenses.

•  Harsher penalties: Longer prison terms and higher fines.

•  Mitigation clauses: Lighter sentences for voluntary surrender of illegal weapons.

•  Expanded investigative powers: Broader authority for police to search and seize.

 

📅 2008 – Strengthening Oversight

 

•  Focused on tightening licensing procedures and enhancing background checks.

•  Introduced stricter renewal protocols and more frequent inspections.

•  Emphasized mental health monitoring and storage compliance.

Japan is a homogenous society with authoritarian social control and no tradition of firearms ownership.

5 minutes ago, Presnock said:

Japan's population if totally had even more than one weapon wouldn't come even within 50% of the number of weapons in the US population.  Plus getting some of those laws restricting rights of individuals would never pass the US Congress as they would be against the US Constitution.  After all the US is know for "freedom" 

 

And therein lies the problems......corruption, indoctrination and lack of political will.