55 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

But that isn't really the problem is it.........it is the issuing of permits with little or no control compounded by the types of weapons you can purchase........then you can start to strictly adhere to the laws that severely punish offenders.

Again, you miss the point, legal gun owners usually are not the problem.  There are laws & checks, most states, before buying, owning, storing, using, carrying firearms ... legally.

 

They aren't shooting up the streets, and racking up the 1000s of gun deaths.  The criminals are, who don't obey the gun laws.  

 

How can you not understand that, and keep repeating the same BS.   There are plenty of gun laws, and most obey them.   Criminals do not, so making more for them to ignore isn't going to help.

 

Banning gun sales won't help either as they don't buy their guns of FFL sellers.  They buy their firearms illegally.

 

Legal firearms & legal gun owners are rarely the problem.  Being a non Yank, you seriously haven't got a clue.

Have a nice day

18 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Again, you miss the point, legal gun owners usually are not the problem.  There are laws & checks, most states, before buying, owning, storing, using, carrying firearms ... legally.

 

They aren't shooting up the streets, and racking up the 1000s of gun deaths.  The criminals are, who don't obey the gun laws.  

 

How can you not understand that, and keep repeating the same BS.   There are plenty of gun laws, and most obey them.   Criminals do not, so making more for them to ignore isn't going to help.

 

Banning gun sales won't help either as they don't buy their guns of FFL sellers.  They buy their firearms illegally.

 

Legal firearms & legal gun owners are rarely the problem.  Being a non Yank, you seriously haven't got a clue.

Have a nice day

 

 

There is no publicly available breakdown of how many of these deaths involved licensed vs unlicensed firearms....but you do know?

Isn't that an area in the US where the kkk still at large with meet ups ?

 

 

8 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

There is no publicly available breakdown of how many of these deaths involved licensed vs unlicensed firearms....but you do know?

That's correct, and all the unsolved  murders (40-50%) are obviously done by legal gun owners while defending themselves, so didn't stick around to bother the PoPo with unnecessary paperwork, or clog the court's dockets with cases surely to be dismissed.

 

You graduated from simply ignorant, to just plain silly.

Smoke another one 

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Like enforcing the laws already on the books.  Instead of the revolving prison door policy.   

 

Want to end gun violence, pass a law ...

... 'commit a crime with a gun', then life in jail, no parole

...  Possess an illegal gun, 20 yrs in prison, no parole

... Sell an illegal gun, life in prison, no parole

 

Plenty of gun laws, that criminals ignore already, just need to start enforcing with real sentencing.  

Not realistic due to the cost. It's incredibly expensive to incarcerate someone. I think the figures were more then just giving someone a middle income for life.

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

So the amount of melanin in your skin predisposes you to the use of firearms?

 

This is the world you live in so you might as well come to terms with it. Did you see the Bloomberg clip I posted above? That's the reality on the ground in NYC and you can ignore it all you want but that changes nothing.

3 minutes ago, Mark1969 said:

Not realistic due to the cost. It's incredibly expensive to incarcerate someone. I think the figures were more then just giving someone a middle income for life.

Not enough prison beds anyway.   Just think of all the loss revenue, if the criminals were actually locked up and not allowed to crime crimes again.

4 minutes ago, Mark1969 said:

Not realistic due to the cost. It's incredibly expensive to incarcerate someone. I think the figures were more then just giving someone a middle income for life.

Agree. Easier to get to the core of the issue. ie sensible guns laws and total ban on assault weapons. 

17 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

There is no publicly available breakdown of how many of these deaths involved licensed vs unlicensed firearms....but you do know?

 

36 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Again, you miss the point, legal gun owners usually are not the problem.  There are laws & checks, most states, before buying, owning, storing, using, carrying firearms ... legally.

 

They aren't shooting up the streets, and racking up the 1000s of gun deaths.  The criminals are, who don't obey the gun laws.  

 

How can you not understand that, and keep repeating the same BS.   There are plenty of gun laws, and most obey them.   Criminals do not, so making more for them to ignore isn't going to help.

 

Banning gun sales won't help either as they don't buy their guns of FFL sellers.  They buy their firearms illegally.

 

Legal firearms & legal gun owners are rarely the problem.  Being a non Yank, you seriously haven't got a clue.

Have a nice day

Yes i get it,only Yanks have a clue about the world but that is besides the point.

Point is you are saying legal guns/owners are not the problem,maybe not but,

between 200 and 300 thousands of guns are stolen each year in the US,that is a lot of guns.

The moment those guns are stolen they become more dangerous because they are now in irresponsible hands.

My question is ,if you allow your gun to be stolen does that  mean you are an irresponsible owner and therefore you should not have a gun?

If you have a gun for protection and it gets stolen then how much protection is it really?

300 000 guns is a very big number,can not be coincidence right?

If your gun gets stolen and later used for a crime does that maybe make the legal owner somewhat guilty?

When is it legal/illegal to use a gun?

Look at it as a link in a chain that goes missing,the chain is broken and therefore not longer a chain.

 

 

Is this guy right or wrong?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2175442852937622

5 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

 

It won't make a lick of difference.  I've seen estimates that there are over 300 million guns in America.  How do you get them back?  I assure you even if they can pass a constitutional amendment to make that legal there will be little cooperation in it.  And even if MOST Americans would turn them in the ones who won't are exactly the ones committing most of the shootings now.

 

As to comments "assault weapons ban" total nonsense.  Most of these criminals carry a handgun not any sort of rifle.  And many of them install a "switch" that is easily manufactured via 3D printing.  That switch converts a semiautomatic Glock into a full-auto spray gun.  And they have no clue where those bullets are going they close their eyes and spray in the general direction of their perceived enemy.  

 

On second thought there are laws that might help.  Toughen the laws for a felon caught with a gun and no plea bargains.  Allow police to stop and search suspicious characters (stop calling racism or harassment) and arrest those caught.  Make the sentences harsher and no early release.  No bail.  And sadly since criminal gangs figured out using underage members to commit crimes since the system goes easy on them lower the age of trial as an adult.

 

I dunno.  Maybe good old fashioned police work and harsh judicial punishment for those committing a violent felony with a gun.  

 

As to this particular shooting I guarantee many of the victims and witnesses KNOW who was doing the shooting but..... well no one will talk.  It's why shooters are rarely caught in these events.

 

Most of the shootings are not law abiding legal gun owners but those who use illegal weapons, suicides, gang violence and a few that buy to kill legally. Most gun owners aren't criminals but hunters, target shooters and those wanting protection. As far as punishment, it should be extreme when someone shoots an innocent, and some things can be done to protect others if they were made into legislation or just allowed, such as arming all schools and having metal detectors also. 

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Most of the shootings are not law abiding legal gun owners but those who use illegal weapons, suicides, gang violence and a few that buy to kill legally. Most gun owners aren't criminals but hunters, target shooters and those wanting protection. As far as punishment, it should be extreme when someone shoots an innocent, and some things can be done to protect others if they were made into legislation or just allowed, such as arming all schools and having metal detectors also. 

I think putting guns in schools is the worst idea ever,how would that ever save lives?

Clearly the punishment for shooting someone is not enough,the numbers of shootings clearly show that.

As long as people fail to see that the guns are a problem this will never change.

All shootings have one thing in common,the person who did the killing was holding a gun!

Gun control works all over the world but somehow the USA does not see the problem in their country.

Could guns be "the enemy inside'?

Just now, jvs said:

I think putting guns in schools is the worst idea ever,how would that ever save lives?

Clearly the punishment for shooting someone is not enough,the numbers of shootings clearly show that.

As long as people fail to see that the guns are a problem this will never change.

All shootings have one thing in common,the person who did the killing was holding a gun!

Gun control works all over the world but somehow the USA does not see the problem in their country.

Could guns be "the enemy inside'?

 

American proverb......although as a nation I'm not sure they are old enough to qualify for having proverbs...........

 

If guns are not the problem, but people are the problem.........why would you give guns to the problem.

 

 

1 minute ago, jvs said:

I think putting guns in schools is the worst idea ever,how would that ever save lives?

Clearly the punishment for shooting someone is not enough,the numbers of shootings clearly show that.

As long as people fail to see that the guns are a problem this will never change.

All shootings have one thing in common,the person who did the killing was holding a gun!

Gun control works all over the world but somehow the USA does not see the problem in their country.

Could guns be "the enemy inside'?

ALL the mass shootings including Schools are carried out with an assault Rifle. So all this nonsense about hand guns don't wash.

Just now, BarraMarra said:

ALL the mass shootings including Schools are carried out with an assault Rifle. So all this nonsense about hand guns don't wash.

 

Do you not think, if assault rifles were no longer available, a shooter would simply use a hand gun instead?

 

Then hand guns would become the problem?

So total criminal chaos on the streets, but according to mayors cities are totally safe and Trump's troops are not needed.

 

Makes you wonder.

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

ALL the mass shootings including Schools are carried out with an assault Rifle. So all this nonsense about hand guns don't wash.

Not really according to this article.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/?srsltid=AfmBOoqmBW47QaoGihbpMrbb_k8S99IzYm4oJ7Qejqf-u-nSSmSXCvDw

2 minutes ago, jvs said:

I think putting guns in schools is the worst idea ever,how would that ever save lives?

Clearly the punishment for shooting someone is not enough,the numbers of shootings clearly show that.

As long as people fail to see that the guns are a problem this will never change.

All shootings have one thing in common,the person who did the killing was holding a gun!

Gun control works all over the world but somehow the USA does not see the problem in their country.

Could guns be "the enemy inside'?

If there were armed guards, they could stop the shooter, especially before they kill multiple people, along with having a metal detector, which would stop them from even entering with a weapon. Federal buildings have them, so why not protect children?

 

The numbers of shootings can be curtailed a little by harsher punishment but the death penalty hasn't really slowed things down so much. mental illnesses will always be there.

 

Keeping guns out of disturbed people's hands is the only way.

 

Mandatory locked safes, psychologicals done before purchase, mandatory countrywide background checks along them, minimum age 21. Maximum clip size 5. 

 

Weapons aren't the problem. Guns in the wrong hands is. People will kill with a butter knife if they wanted to, but of course a gun can kill more faster. They aren't going to take guns away from Americans , as most aren't committing crimes but hunting, target shooting and protection. The enemy inside is that mental illness, along with too permissive parents and those unaware of the signs of one going off the rails.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

So total criminal chaos on the streets, but according to mayors cities are totally safe and Trump's trops are not needed.

 

Makes you wonder.

Yes make you wonder what/who is trying to do what right?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The left has no idea what an "assault" rifle is. 

 

Just now, fredwiggy said:

If there were armed guards, they could stop the shooter, especially before they kill multiple people, along with having a metal detector, which would stop them from even entering with a weapon. Federal buildings have them, so why not protect children?

 

The numbers of shootings can be curtailed a little by harsher punishment but the death penalty hasn't really slowed things down so much. mental illnesses will always be there.

 

Keeping guns out of disturbed people's hands is the only way.

 

Mandatory locked safes, psychologicals done before purchase, mandatory countrywide background checks along them, minimum age 21. Maximum clip size 5. 

 

Weapons aren't the problem. Guns in the wrong hands is. People will kill with a butter knife if they wanted to, but of course a gun can kill more faster. They aren't going to take guns away from Americans , as most aren't committing crimes but hunting, target shooting and protection. The enemy inside is that mental illness, along with too permissive parents and those unaware of the signs of one going off the rails.

Mass killings with a butterknife? Sure,you just keep saying the same old mantra but somehow that does

not stop the killings.

Did you see my post about the stolen guns?

Any comment on that?

 

9 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

ALL the mass shootings including Schools are carried out with an assault Rifle. So all this nonsense about hand guns don't wash.

About 4% of firearm deaths in the US are rifles, and less than half of those are "assault" rifles. 

Just now, BarraMarra said:

ALL the mass shootings including Schools are carried out with an assault Rifle. So all this nonsense about hand guns don't wash.

Actually none have been carried out with an assault rifle.   Since they've been illegal for almost 40 years.   Prior to 1986, most recent murder with assault rifle was 1970, National Guardsmen at Ohio State.  Then 2 that I know of, also in Ohio, but decades earlier.

Just now, Yellowtail said:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The left has no idea what an "assault" rifle is. 

 

 

 

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Is that a short cut you use, copy and paste....or do you type it out every time?

 

and what happened to your old favourite.....5555555555555555?

9 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

ALL the mass shootings including Schools are carried out with an assault Rifle. So all this nonsense about hand guns don't wash.

Handguns are actually used more, and those carrying semi autos sometimes had handguns also. It's true that a rifle might cause more damage, depending on the load, but a person could take two handguns into anywhere and kill 30 in a matter of seconds, then reload. 

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The left has no idea what an "assault" rifle is. 

 

Take you medicine and clean you guns,you will feel much better!

 

Just now, KhunLA said:

Actually none have been carried out with an assault rifle.   Since they've been illegal for almost 40 years.   Prior to 1986, most recent murder with assault rifle was 1970, National Guardsmen at Ohio State.  Then 2 that I know of, also in Ohio, but decades earlier.

Some call the AR-15 platform an assault rifle but it's just a semi-auto

Just now, Yellowtail said:

About 4% of firearm deaths in the US are rifles, and less than half of those are "assault" rifles. 

Would it make a lot of difference which one  would kill you?

 

 

2 minutes ago, jvs said:

Mass killings with a butterknife? Sure,you just keep saying the same old mantra but somehow that does

not stop the killings.

Did you see my post about the stolen guns?

Any comment on that?

 

I didn't mean mass killing with a butter knife of course but was pointing out the mentality of the killer themselves, that they can kill with almost anything, and that guns just kill faster and more. 

Wasting your time on threads like this Jvs its only for Americans who have the right to bear arms.