23 minutes ago, jvs said:

Other countries hunt also,same difference but that is getting away from the topic.

Killing people has nothing to do with hunting .

Would you agree that when your gun gets stolen you lose the right to ever own another one?

If the "good owners" would make sure their gun does not get stolen that would make a very big difference.

If you leave the pool gate open and some one drowns in your pool the pool owner can be convicted of being

neglect .

Do the same rules exist for guns?

Are you allowed to handle a gun while intoxicated?

 

You asked about banning guns, and I gave you legitimate reasons to own them. Yes, gun owners should be responsible, just as drivers shouldn't drink and drive, which kills thousands yearly also. You can't ban cars, as they're a tool, just as guns are.

 

You can't stop all home break ins, where guns are stolen, so, like I mentioned, every gun owner should have a locking safe, which would stop many guns from being stolen. If someone breaks into your house, and breaks into that safe, it isn't your fault. 

 

It won't stop suicides or gang homicides, but it will curtail stolen guns causing deaths.

 

People will still obtain guns, legally, but they aren't the ones committing the majority of homicides.

 

I don't know how you'll stop legitimate gun owners from having a gun in possession while drinking, besides what they already do, if they're pulled over drunk, they'll go to jail anyway, as they can with public intoxication.

 

Many guns are stolen from locked cars, and that also isn't the owners fault, as guns can legally be carried in vehicles for hunting, target shooting and protection. Some need to leave their guns in their vehicles because some places prohibit entering with them, like federal buildings, but it's more people leaving them in vehicles and forgetting they're there, instead of bringing them back inside wherever you're going, like your home or places you can legally carry them in. 

15 minutes ago, jvs said:

Collecting guns is fine,can be a great hobby as long as it is done according tot the law.

 

As long is not more of an ass than it is already.

It's interesting that the OP doesn't mention that the shootout broke out among the crowd right after a football game between 2 HBCUs.  Tuskegee University and Morehouse College.

 

I wonder why?

 

In any case, it looks like Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) was right.  Jesse Jackson, too.

 

20 minutes ago, jvs said:

Collecting guns is fine,can be a great hobby as long as it is done according tot the law.

Do you think guns should be banned?

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Can you be a little bit more specific?

Who are the "Morons"?

The morons are the people who choose to allow these stupid gun laws to remain. Those who actively support them for example that Kirk guy who got shot last week.

1 minute ago, Usnh said:

The morons are the people who choose to allow these stupid gun laws to remain. Those who actively support them for example that Kirk guy who got shot last week.

Why? Did you think I was referring to the thousands of people who get shot in the USA each year?

2 minutes ago, Usnh said:

The morons are the people who choose to allow these stupid gun laws to remain. Those who actively support them for example that Kirk guy who got shot last week.

You are against gun laws? You must be a MAGA fascist!

The USA used to have the exclusivity in such horrific crimes. Unfortunately now, such actions could be in any western european city.  Western Europe nations,.  under the rule woke left-liberal command in Bruselles,  are destroying themselves. 

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12 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

So you don't know, we have a consensus there at least. Ultimately, stopping gun killings requires political will to treat this as a public health crisis, not a partisan fight—82% of Americans support basics like background checks. The "moronic foreigners" jab overlooks successes abroad, but the core insight is right: Culture evolves through collective action, not edicts. Without tackling poverty, trauma, and glorification alongside smarter access rules, we'll keep losing ~125 lives daily. Progress is possible—2024 saw a 17% drop in urban homicides—but it demands investment in people, not just debates.

OK I didn't need to add moronic.  But it is debatable if there are any provable improvements by banning guns anywhere.  For example my very close English friend throws at me look at how it works in England.  Yet, so far as any data I can find England never had a serious problem with guns.  And the ban  accomplished nothing.  NOW they talk about knife bans.  As if knives aren't easily made.  Or aren't in every household.

 

What might work elsewhere isn't a sure thing if implemented in the USA.  And I suspect the real intentions behind gun bans.  When the data is looked at without passion and suicides are removed from the numbers the size of the problem isn't nearly what most people think it is.  And if one looks at that problem without bias the source is clearly identified and not with the vast majority of gun owners.  

 

But I know I'm pissing in the wind here for those who see black and white solutions to things they have never examined with an objective mind.  For the record way back when Clinton first recommended an assault weapons ban I was all for it.  I saw no reason for them in private hands and was in lockstep.  Until I joined an internet forum (yeah they existed then) and monitored the discussion/debate.  That was when I realized it would resolve nothing and truthfully to be constitutional required an Amendment to the Constitution.  Something they have not attempted.

 

I'm gonna step out because too many people on this topic get on their high horses with ignorance based on reading media that sold them on why it's easy and obvious.  No desire to go over the same subject that no one ever wins.

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

You are against gun laws? You must be a MAGA fascist!

Not that I would applaud a very accurate shot from quite a distance, but yes, guns do have their usefulness sometimes I guess.

1 hour ago, Usnh said:

Not that I would applaud a very accurate shot from quite a distance, but yes, guns do have their usefulness sometimes I guess.

I own guns and know how to use them but I don’t were it on my sleeve or get all puffed up about it.Im in favor of strong gun laws…..mandatory safety classes through background checks and a substantial waiting period…..banning all semi auto long guns but leaving hand guns alone.domestic violence offenders should have theirs confiscated unless they win in court.break the law lose your guns.I suspect the vast majority of Americans would be fine with that or something similar.It would go along way in curbing the senseless violence.Ive heard that Australia has had good results with that ehh?

9 hours ago, Cameroni said:

So total criminal chaos on the streets, but according to mayors cities are totally safe and Trump's troops are not needed.

 

Makes you wonder.

Do they not have a Police Force that is suppose " To protect and Serve " why do they need to call out the Troops to control the Streets, what does a Cop think when they see the military doing there job ?

43 minutes ago, Tug said:

I own guns and know how to use them but I don’t were it on my sleeve or get all puffed up about it.Im in favor of strong gun laws…..mandatory safety classes through background checks and a substantial waiting period…..banning all semi auto long guns but leaving hand guns alone.domestic violence offenders should have theirs confiscated unless they win in court.break the law lose your guns.I suspect the vast majority of Americans would be fine with that or something similar.It would go along way in curbing the senseless violence.Ive heard that Australia has had good results with that ehh?

The first thing they would say Tug is " Its in the Second Amendment and my right to bear Arms "  wasting your time on this thread if your not an American. Wev'e had thousands of Post's on the Gun culture in America and it made no difference. Even mass shootings, School kids getting shot hasn't stopped it or changed it. So why bother trying to argue.

5 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Do they not have a Police Force that is suppose " To protect and Serve " why do they need to call out the Troops to control the Streets, what does a Cop think when they see the military doing there job ?

With the key word being "suppose".

 

The troops are there to protect federal workers that are being attacked. 

 

Local authorities seem to be refusing to cooperate with federal agents. 

Doesn't realy answer the Question there does it Yellowtail. Are the Police supposed to protect the Streets ?

 

People need guns in urban areas to protect themselves from bad guys with guns who want to hunt but can't find any outdoors. That is why, whenever a gun man starts to shoot at people, a good guy with a gun opens up immediately to save innocent people. So many deaths are avoided by those good guys.

 

In case any libs are asking, banning guns will not work because there are 50 states, and even though all of them have police stations, with 905 throughout the US and too many other government agencies (otherwise known as potential collection centers), the effort would be too great.

 

On the other hand, collecting guns wouldn't work because only the good guys with guns would hand them in and only bad guys would keep them. Yes, no doubt guns would no longer be stolen from people who no longer have them, and suicides by gun would plummet but that would simply mean you'd have to leave the planet by other means.

 

Yeah, I know the radical left would point at the UK and say, "Hey, look, they have a knife problem. That's worse than our gun problem and no one bans knives." Knife-related homicides (2023–2024) in the UK were 262 while in the USA was~1,562, so there is no comparison worth bothering about.

 

S.A. Tire

 

34 minutes ago, Purdey said:

People need guns in urban areas to protect themselves from bad guys with guns who want to hunt but can't find any outdoors. That is why, whenever a gun man starts to shoot at people, a good guy with a gun opens up immediately to save innocent people. So many deaths are avoided by those good guys.

 

In case any libs are asking, banning guns will not work because there are 50 states, and even though all of them have police stations, with 905 throughout the US and too many other government agencies (otherwise known as potential collection centers), the effort would be too great.

 

On the other hand, collecting guns wouldn't work because only the good guys with guns would hand them in and only bad guys would keep them. Yes, no doubt guns would no longer be stolen from people who no longer have them, and suicides by gun would plummet but that would simply mean you'd have to leave the planet by other means.

 

Yeah, I know the radical left would point at the UK and say, "Hey, look, they have a knife problem. That's worse than our gun problem and no one bans knives." Knife-related homicides (2023–2024) in the UK were 262 while in the USA was~1,562, so there is no comparison worth bothering about.

 

S.A. Tire

 

A very old tired story,have heard the same many times before,how original.

Can you come up with something smarter?

I know you are faaaar right but try!