18 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

For the input your putting into this thread beuitifulthailand you might as well play a song, but hey your in Thailand so dont need to worry if you live in Europe.Pople like you were called a Conscientious objectors due to willing to lay down and let another country just walk in unaposed.

 

You are very polite, Sir!😆

16 hours ago, MarcusAurelius said:

 

Pathetic?

 

Your username is literally fashioned from a CIA color revolution 555. That's how compromised your mental capacity is.

 

 

The organization Black Lives Matter (BLM) is not about black lives. BLM is a Marxist organization disguised as a civil rights organization. Instead of improving race relations, BLM exploits racial tensions to collapse America from within and replace our constitutional republic with socialism/communism. BLM is the ultimate humanitarian hoax being perpetrated on unsuspecting Americans who still believe that BLM cares about black lives.

 

https://drrichswier.com/2020/09/29/color-revolutions-are-not-about-color/

Thanks for that little off-topic rant.  Do you feel better now, buddy?😆

He's just gonna drop it now that there doesn't seem to be a Nobel Peace Price in it for him. It was, as always, just about him.

25, now!

 

 

'Trump’s signals to Zelensky and Europe: Accept this plan or you’re on your own'

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/23/europe/zelensky-ukraine-europe-trump-plan-intl

 

 

"The 28-point plan hammered out by US and Russian envoys and put to Ukraine this week came with a deadline and an implicit threat: Sign up or face the risk of being abandoned.

US President Donald Trump said Friday that Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky would “have to like” the US plan, suggesting he is in no mood to negotiate.

Since then, Trump has sent mixed messages, saying the plan was not his final offer but adding that if Zelensky did not accept it he could “continue to fight his little heart out.”"

 

 

Yes, Donald, the Ukrainians are fighting, bleeding and dying every day, you filthy traitor.

The Trump administration's push for a Ukraine-Russia peace deal by Thanksgiving appears arrogant and tone-deaf, particularly in sidelining Ukraine's input during initial drafting and incorporating elements favorable to Russia, such as territorial concessions and lifting sanctions without equivalent demands on Moscow.

Reports describe it as an "ultimatum" negotiated partly with Russian figures like Dmitriev, shocking European allies who bear much of Ukraine's military costs and viewing it as a "capitulation plan" that normalizes conquest while imposing one-sided restrictions on Kyiv (e.g., no NATO membership, reduced military size).

The Thanksgiving deadline amplifies the insensitivity, Trump telling Zelenskyy to fight their hearts out if they don't like it.  Ukraine, as a war victim, doesn't observe the Thanksgiving holiday adds to the arrogance of the Americans, and Trump's public jab at Zelenskyy's "zero gratitude" for U.S. aid further erodes trust. Supporters frame it as a pragmatic "business deal" to end the war swiftly, but even conservatives acknowledge the risk of alienating Ukraine if rejected.

This is a peak diplomatic misstep, damaging U.S. credibility as an ally and risking future conflict by offering vague security guarantees unlikely to deter Russia.

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

not for too much longer, next year mid term elections Dems take back the house and Trump will be impeached, then removed 

I do hope you're right on that but it could get very messy indeed if he still has a base armed to the teeth - and then we get Vance who is anti-Ukarine and Europe to the core. 

8 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

 

"This is yet another glaring example of how ignorant and churlish this sub forum is."

You don't say ! I have been using Gemini Deep Search Pro V3.0 to examine user sock puppettry - not only are there hardly any users any more some have more than one persona. The mind boggles and we all have far too much time on our hands.

 

6.3 Final Implication

The shared psycholinguistic obsession with sexual submission (blowing/salad tossing) serves as the "digital fingerprint" that links these two identities. It reveals a specific, shared imagination that cannot be explained by coincidence. In the closed ecosystem of the ASEAN NOW forum, "xxxxxxxxx" and "xxxxxxxx" are two masks worn by the same actor.

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

For the input your putting into this thread beuitifulthailand you might as well play a song, but hey your in Thailand so dont need to worry if you live in Europe.Pople like you were called a Conscientious objectors due to willing to lay down and let another country just walk in unaposed.

 

I live near London, but I’ll be in Jomtien for three months from next Sunday (wayahay!). I want peace in Europe no more war and I feel we should stay well out of the Slavic disputes on Russia’s borders. From my perspective, here in the UK, as an island with nuclear weapons, we have no dog in that fight. We helped escalate this situation, and now we have a responsibility to help wind it down

 

Nguyễn Văn Thiệu (President of South Vietnam)

• In his resignation speech (21 April 1975), he strongly criticized the U.S.:“The United States has not respected its promises. It is inhumane. It is not trustworthy. It is irresponsible.”

4 hours ago, gargamon said:

More true facts from your COS? So please document the rearming going on after Chamberlain capitulated to Hitler.

It's a disputed historcial analaysis but then ; 

• Britain’s air defenses (especially RAF Fighter Command) improved dramatically between 1938 and 1940.

• Radar installations were expanded.

• Aircraft production increased.

• The Royal Navy continued modernizing.

So by 1939–40, Britain was far more prepared than in 1938.

 

That said, Putin is not Hitler, and he has no ambitions to conquer Europe. His goals appear limited to securing Russia’s borders and keeping NATO from expanding into his immediate neighbours especially after two decades of seeing NATO advance into former Soviet satellite states. It’s a kind of Monroe Doctrine-style outlook, but applied only to Russia’s version of “Mexico.” And let’s remember: Churchill and Roosevelt effectively handed Eastern Europe to Stalin at Yalta, even though they already had secret nuclear weapons. So spare me the binary good-versus-evil lectures.

More perfidy from Europe  the paper wolf, so to speak. The writing is on the wall for Europe’s leaders: the Ukrainian army is collapsing, along with its corrupt political leadership, and now those same European leaders fear for their own credibility. They’ve spent years projecting unity and resolve, and they’ll soon have to walk all of that back in front of an angry electorate with no appetite for escalation and plenty of problems at home.

 

https://archive.ph/3XPYZ

 

Europe agrees to invite Putin back into G8
Moscow’s return to world stage, and cap on size of Ukrainian army, among concessions made in European counter-deal - DAILY TELEGRAPH

 

Vladimir Putin could return to the world stage under a European peace plan that agrees to allow Russia back into the G8.
The offer was made in a counter-proposal to Donald Trump’s 28-point plan, which heavily favoured Russia.
The European plan contains several concessions, including a cap on the size of Ukraine’s army and a commitment to elections that could see Volodymyr Zelensky removed from power – a key demand of Moscow.

24 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

More perfidy from Europe  the paper wolf, so to speak. The writing is on the wall for Europe’s leaders: the Ukrainian army is collapsing, along with its corrupt political leadership, and now those same European leaders fear for their own credibility. They’ve spent years projecting unity and resolve, and they’ll soon have to walk all of that back in front of an angry electorate with no appetite for escalation and plenty of problems at home.

 

https://archive.ph/3XPYZ

 

Europe agrees to invite Putin back into G8
Moscow’s return to world stage, and cap on size of Ukrainian army, among concessions made in European counter-deal - DAILY TELEGRAPH

 

Vladimir Putin could return to the world stage under a European peace plan that agrees to allow Russia back into the G8.
The offer was made in a counter-proposal to Donald Trump’s 28-point plan, which heavily favoured Russia.
The European plan contains several concessions, including a cap on the size of Ukraine’s army and a commitment to elections that could see Volodymyr Zelensky removed from power – a key demand of Moscow.

 

The link you provided cannot be opened, but nice work supporting the Orcs!

47 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

I live near London, but I’ll be in Jomtien for three months from next Sunday (wayahay!). I want peace in Europe no more war and I feel we should stay well out of the Slavic disputes on Russia’s borders. From my perspective, here in the UK, as an island with nuclear weapons, we have no dog in that fight. 

Yes, because that attitude worked so well after the Nazi occupation of Poland, right?

4 hours ago, Mavideol said:

not for too much longer, next year mid term elections Dems take back the house and Trump will be impeached, then removed 

So what was all this no kings nonsense ? the forum woke assured us Trump will never hold an election. Was that all lies? Were they just brainlessly parrotting democrat propaganda? Que pasa?

17 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

 

The link you provided cannot be opened, but nice work supporting the Orcs!

Your alter ego has me on ignore ! Get outside and touch the grass I assure you it will be healthier for you.  https://archive.ph/qJatA

15 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Your alter ego has me on ignore ! Get outside and touch the grass I assure you it will be healthier for you.  https://archive.ph/qJatA

Another link that doesn't work, possibly because it's deemed unsafe. You wanna try for a hat-trick?

 

PS. Although a few of your MAGA friends have suggested a number of former and present identities, I have only one ego, and I have no one on ignore, buddy.

Why? Because I really don't care what you write. If something bores me, I just move on.

Amazing, right?

13 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Another link that doesn't work, possibly because it's deemed unsafe. You wanna try for a hat-trick?

The link works perfectly   it's you that is "unsafe"  😋

8 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Another link that doesn't work, possibly because it's deemed unsafe. You wanna try for a hat-trick?

 

PS. Although a few of your MAGA friends have suggested a number of former and present identities, I have only one ego, and I have no one on ignore, buddy.

Why? Because I really don't care what you write. If something bores me, I just move on.

Amazing, right?

Smoked and they’re not my friends on here; I have none. Some have left, some have died, and some were expelled. But I remember the good old days, when this was the only place to be and it was a great knockabout and George created a rumbustious carnival of freaks and malcontents and funny funny people. Truth be told, AI has hollowed out this and many other sites and anything I need to find out about Thai issues is amply served there , and I waste my time posting on Reditt where the userbase of the Ukraine subs numbers hundreds and there's a real informed debate to be had. I did sock puppett back in the very old days was caught and had the approriate pounishment meted out. 

 

1.3 High-Level Findings

Our analysis indicates an extremely high probability—bordering on certainty—that the user "xxxxxxx" is a fabricated alter-ego of the user "xxxxxxxx." While the author has attempted to create superficial distinctions between the two personas (e.g., capitalization styles for laughter, distinct nicknames for adversaries), the underlying psycholinguistic fingerprint remains identical.

this supposed to be "peace" deal proposed by Trump favors Putin but at the same time favors Trump as well when he mention the 100 billion to be paid by Russia and 50% interest to be paid to the USA/Trump (point10,12, 14). in other words this can be considered as racketeering by Trump, quite sure that's not a surprise for many of us as this is how trump works out deals

4 minutes ago, johng said:

The link works perfectly   it's you that is "unsafe"  😋

Thanks John I see you are a real old timer from 2003 - respect. 

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

More perfidy from Europe  the paper wolf, so to speak. The writing is on the wall for Europe’s leaders: the Ukrainian army is collapsing, along with its corrupt political leadership, and now those same European leaders fear for their own credibility. They’ve spent years projecting unity and resolve, and they’ll soon have to walk all of that back in front of an angry electorate with no appetite for escalation and plenty of problems at home.

 

https://archive.ph/3XPYZ

 

Europe agrees to invite Putin back into G8
Moscow’s return to world stage, and cap on size of Ukrainian army, among concessions made in European counter-deal - DAILY TELEGRAPH

 

Vladimir Putin could return to the world stage under a European peace plan that agrees to allow Russia back into the G8.
The offer was made in a counter-proposal to Donald Trump’s 28-point plan, which heavily favoured Russia.
The European plan contains several concessions, including a cap on the size of Ukraine’s army and a commitment to elections that could see Volodymyr Zelensky removed from power – a key demand of Moscow.

I actually got your link to work when switching off the VPN and, lo and behold, in the 4th paragraph I see something completely different to what you quoted. Care to explain?

 

"In contrast, the European plan is much more supportive of Ukraine, recognising the enormous sacrifices it has made during its war with Russia.
Among the key differences in the European plan is a requirement for “no restriction” to be placed on the size of the Ukrainian armed forces."

6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

1.3 High-Level Findings

Our analysis indicates an extremely high probability—bordering on certainty—that the user "xxxxxxx" is a fabricated alter-ego of the user "xxxxxxxx." While the author has attempted to create superficial distinctions between the two personas (e.g., capitalization styles for laughter, distinct nicknames for adversaries), the underlying psycholinguistic fingerprint remains identical.

So, what's the point of this?

The 'European' plan  is a total non starter  as far as Russia is concerned   and the 'US' plan is a total non starter as far as Ukraine is concerned..so I supposes and suspect that the war will continue 

until the last Ukrainian and/or there is no Ukraine left anyway.

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

So, what's the point of this?

Enough let's get back on topic ! 

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

More perfidy from Europe  the paper wolf, so to speak. The writing is on the wall for Europe’s leaders: the Ukrainian army is collapsing, along with its corrupt political leadership, and now those same European leaders fear for their own credibility. They’ve spent years projecting unity and resolve, and they’ll soon have to walk all of that back in front of an angry electorate with no appetite for escalation and plenty of problems at home.

 

https://archive.ph/3XPYZ

 

Europe agrees to invite Putin back into G8
Moscow’s return to world stage, and cap on size of Ukrainian army, among concessions made in European counter-deal - DAILY TELEGRAPH

 

Vladimir Putin could return to the world stage under a European peace plan that agrees to allow Russia back into the G8.
The offer was made in a counter-proposal to Donald Trump’s 28-point plan, which heavily favoured Russia.
The European plan contains several concessions, including a cap on the size of Ukraine’s army and a commitment to elections that could see Volodymyr Zelensky removed from power – a key demand of Moscow.

Mr Trump initially gave a deadline of Thursday – Thanksgiving – for Kyiv to accept the plan... unfortunately he didn't give Russia/Putin any deadline to accept any plan submitted by Ukraine and Europeans

4 minutes ago, johng said:

The 'European' plan  is a total non starter  as far as Russia is concerned   and the 'US' plan is a total non starter as far as Ukraine is concerned..so I supposes and suspect that the war will continue 

until the last Ukrainian and/or there is no Ukraine left anyway.

there is Never was a US plan

 

Meaghan Mobbs, the daughter of Keith Kellogg, the US special envoy to Ukraine who announced last week that he will quit his post, claimed that the peace plan was originally written in Russian.
She suggested that the document was “not originally written in English”, pointing to transliteration errors and phrasing that is commonly used by Russia’s government.

 

https://archive.md/3XPYZ#selection-4009.0-4013.166

9 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Enough let's get back on topic ! 

You're the one that brought it up.

 

And can you please explain why you lied in this post?

 

 

They do not really seem to want peace now, do they ? After all if the war stops, so will all the trillions of dollars in cash and arms of western aid, stop to. And with all those deep pockets filling up with corruption and embezzlement....do they really want the cash flow to cease ? Just asking, not insinuating, Unfortunately, it's always the common man on,  either sides,  who suffers and will rarely get even a glimpse of all the foreign aid comming in. 

10 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I see you are a real old timer from 2003 - respect. 

Yes I'm ancient still have windows XP installed but can't use that to post here now due to browser encryption standards...

and also  "when I were a lad" 😋

 I had to get up early and make a fire in the living room fireplace using actual coal that would heat up water so we could have  a warm wash in the winter.

22 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

They do not really seem to want peace now, do they ? After all if the war stops, so will all the trillions of dollars in cash and arms of western aid, stop to. And with all those deep pockets filling up with corruption and embezzlement....do they really want the cash flow to cease ? Just asking, not insinuating, 

Actually, what you just wrote is literally a textbook example of an insinuation.🤣

Even though many are calling Trump's plan a "Kremlin wish list" and the Europeans are being threatened to agree too or Europe is on its own in this, we have heard almost nothing from Putin and the Russians. The caveat with all this is that the Russians have to agree to it and there has been pretty much a stoney silence with a few ambiguous statements from Peskov and the likes. I don't think the Russians want a peace that resembles this... and may well just try to string it out long enough for them to keep pushing.

Trump doing a Neville Chamberlain is folly, as it basically green lights aggressive actions for all to do anywhere and the consequences will be light... for example, in Trump's plan, there will be a blanket war crimes amnesty for all crimes against humanity (think Bucha and the like) etc., hardly sends the right message to those in potential future conflicts and atrocities. Sadly, the US and Trump are wrong on this, but I think their motivations to get this to happen are far away from the moral compass.

In my opinion, Europe should start to man-up, invest in its armed forces and capabilities fast, and get to a point where it can tell the US that it doesn't need them militarily... will take time, but we are constantly living in an ever increasingly dangerous world, and need robust and credible armed forces that can deter bad actors with the "peace through strength" doctrine.

Europe certainly has the tech know-how, engineers, and scientists to do so... they are just too social-policy orientated and more sensitive to society's issues, thus wasting billions upon billions on much nonsense like illegals, foreign aid to nuclear-armed countries and stupid projects at the back end of nowhere, and the lazy scammers etc., which could be put to better use.

15 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

there is Never was a US plan

 well surprise surprise...!!

I'm not surprised if the plan was not a US plan ,but the point is that Ukraine will not accept the plan because they want to drag on the war and draw in  NATO/EU/US troops on the ground  as that is the only possible way that they have a chance in hell of  stopping the Russian advance.