1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

In an earlier thread about the Manchester synagogue attack, you wrote it was likely motivated by Israeli actions in Gaza.

 

Yes, i think Israeli actions are fueling anti semitism. Nowhere did i say or implicate, neither did the other poster you're reacting to, that that's justified.

2 hours ago, JAG said:

When you set yourself up as the apparent authority on a subject, as you so often do, such rather banal sarcasm is really rather a pathetic, and empty response.

Not at all.

 

In response to an ill informed statement about what is/is not lawful I quoted the applicable law.

 

The law is set up as the authority.

1 hour ago, JAG said:

I've revisited your comment on my post. It is quite clear that you find my attempt to present a thought through point of view  shall we say over elaborate.

 

References to the Taliban and Afghanistan, and Trump were clearly explained in my post.

 

Very well, let us put it in plainer, simpler language, unencumbered by any arguments: you are talking <deleted>, shut uo and give your arse a rest!

 

 

 

Ah the personal attack.

 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No one has been prosecuted under that law for over 100 years .

They aren't going to start prosecuting now .

Don't forget its just signing up for  different army that the charges will be .

They wouldn't get prosecuted for genociding , just joining an army 

Is it or is it not a law on the statute books?

 

If it is, then it’s the law.

A post with excessive quoted content has been removed as per the Standards of Conduct:

 

7. Do not quote more than three multiple nested quotes. Only quote the person you are replying to, and only quote the relevant section that you are discussing.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is it or is it not a law on the statute books?

 

If it is, then it’s the law.

 

   If the law isn't enforced , then it doesn't really matter what the law is .

I doubt whether Starmer would allow any Muslims to bring  prosecution against the British/Israelis .

   Netanyahu would be furious with him and give him a public rollocking 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ah the personal attack.

 

 

And what exactly is this then Chomper?

 

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The learned gentleman is himself weaving his own tangled web.

 

I have not claimed a Guardian article is sufficient evidence to ‘stand up in court’, I have provided a link to a Guardian article that reports 10 individuals are under investigation for war crimes while serving with the IDF.

 

With regards to service in foreign armies, I‘ve provided the actual law, which regardless of it being 250 years old, remains the law.

 

The not so learned gentleman Nick has provided an internet search which does not ‘expand upon The Foreign Enlistment Act of 1870’, not does it real it.

The learned gentlemen’s personal opinion on whether or not Palestine constitutes a ‘friendly state’ is noted.

 

If the learned gentleman has evidence of war between the UK and the State of Palestine please provide below.

 

Afghanistan, Taliban, Trump? 
 

What?

 

 

1 hour ago, JAG said:

 

And what exactly is this then Chomper?

 

 

It’s eloquently exposing the flaws in your argument.

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I reproduced your posts here because you broke the rules by including more than 3 quotes in your post.

 

 for breaking the board rule against more than three quote boxes in a single post.  I was unaware such a rule existed, but as courtroom judges have often thundered, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse!"

 

I apologize to everyone, mods and members alike, for my mistake.  I won't make it again.  You gave a very fair account of what I had written and for that I am thankful.

 

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I agree with you, people worldwide ARE holding Jews responsible for Israel's actions. There IS A CAUSAL LINK.

It IS wrong and it is antisemitic.  But let's not forget, I never said I hold jews collectively responsible, I think it's completely wrong.

 

You said in response to @stevenl Why would the actions of Israel have an effect on the attitude towards Jews worldwide unless Jews are collectively responsible for such actions?

 

Jews are NOT collectively responsible for such actions, but that doesn't stop people from reacting that way, I agree it's wrong and antisemitic.

 

After your clarification, I'd say there is no disagreement between us that holding Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the government of Israel is wrong and antisemitic.  However, we do disagree on what's happening in Gaza. 

I don't regard Israel's efforts to crush Hamas to be genocide against Palestinians.  I attribute the high death toll among noncombatants in Gaza to the inherent nature of urban warfare in a densely populated area and the Hamas strategy of hiding its fighters and weapons in what should be protected buildings like schools and hospitals, thereby making them legitimate targets.

I don't feel Jews inside or outside Israel should pander to misconceptions about collective Jewish responsibility by apologizing for something that isn't happening.

Jews are not collectively responsible for the death of Jesus Christ nor the death of noncombatants in Gaza.

Incidents like the one below are light-years less serious than the Bondi shooting, but they do illustrate the surge in antisemitism seen in all Western countries.

 

Jewish Home with Hanukkah Decorations Shot at 20 Times

by Gunmen Who Yelled ‘Free Palestine,’ Family Says

 

A Jewish family in California claims they were targeted by a group of individuals who fired at their home and shouted anti-semitic and racist slurs.

https://people.com/jewish-home-with-hanukkah-decorations-shot-at-20-times-by-gunmen-who-yelled-free-palestine-family-says-118698753

 

 

 

23 hours ago, JimCM said:

I understand how Jewish citizens

 

  What is  Jewish citizen ?

There is no such thing 

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s eloquently exposing the flaws in your 

Eloquent no, rather as I said banal sarcasm attacking style rather than content. However I will leave you with the last word, it is obviously important to you, and otherwise you will go on and on like the Duracell Bunny!

On 12/22/2025 at 10:57 PM, Evil Penevil said:

  However, we do disagree on what's happening in Gaza. 

I don't regard Israel's efforts to crush Hamas to be genocide against Palestinians.  I attribute the high death toll among noncombatants in Gaza to the inherent nature of urban warfare in a densely populated area and the Hamas strategy of hiding its fighters and weapons in what should be protected buildings like schools and hospitals, thereby making them legitimate targets.

 

 

I hope you are right.  I suspect this is part of a master plan and the strategy is to destroy all habitation, services, arable land etc so sustaining Palestinian life is impossible without significant external support and investment.  

 

If I'm right, the final phase will be to offer a new home, mostly outside Gaza to most of the remaining Palestinians.  Israel, and possibly others, will carve up most of Gaza for their own use.

 

Taken as a whole this would be both Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing.

 

If it happens, I'm sure the pro-Israel supporters here will say, this was never the plan, it just happened to help the poor Palestinian people.

 

If this was the plan, let's explore how you would do it. 

• Destroy all habitation
• Destroy all hospitals and places of learning
• Destroy all infrastructure, water, electricity etc
• Destroy all Arable land so food can't be grown
• Terrorise the population and instill fear
• Restrict aid and create famine
• Herd the people into smaller areas
• Offer a solution so most people emigrate

Time will tell if I am right. But right now, I'd take that wager.

On 12/21/2025 at 1:40 PM, Social Media said:

Research by the Institute for Jewish Policy Research highlights a growing generational split: while nearly two-thirds of British Jews overall identify as Zionist, fewer than half of those aged 20–30 do so, with a growing minority identifying as anti-Zionist.

 

The younger Jews aren't blinkered like their parents and grand-parents. They are mindful of the Holocaust - but they see similar race hatred and racial attacks against other ethnic groups too on a daily basis - with Israel at the forefront of that (like against Muslims, and not just by extremists or racists, but by state actors too in Israel, the U.S., UK, Canada, etc.). They - and millions of non-Jews - are pushing back in the same way my generation in many countries pushed back against the Apartheid regime in South Africa.

 

U.S., British and other attempts to suppress anti-zionism from all quarters will ultimately fail. Netanyahu is one of the world's new faces of evil. Anti-Zionism will become more mainstream as the world watches while Netanyahu and Trump's attempts at ethnic cleansing in Gaza and the West Bank. I believe the anti-zionist movement is well underway in the minds of millions worldwide. It's not an anti-Jewish thing, but an an anti-ethnic-cleansing thing. Hard to spin (by painting Jews as the perenial victims), but they continue to try, and some buy into it - but IMO that makes things worse. Without raproachment this will get worse.

On 12/22/2025 at 11:34 AM, JimCM said:

Interestingly, 60% of British jews have financially supported Israel since Oct 7, 2023, according to the the Institute for Jewish Policy Research.

 

 

 

 

 

At the same time, at least 60% have donated to a charity supporting Israel since 7 October, 65% identify as Zionists, 71% feel a great deal of concern for the lives of Israelis, 77% feel attached to Israel, and 88% regard Israel as the ancestral homeland of the Jewish People

 

https://www.jpr.org.uk/insights/what-exactly-jewish-majority-view-israel#:~:text=First%2C JPR data from summer,Again%2C these are all majorities

All the more reason to murder them on the streets, right?

On 12/22/2025 at 2:13 AM, Evil Penevil said:

 

Who gets to define antisemitism?  The victims or the perpetrators?  Or an outside body?  For the haters of  Israel to define antisemitism is equivalent to the Ku Klux Klan defining racism.

 

The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, the world's leading institution regarding the Holocaust and antisemitism,  has a working definition of antisemitism that has been adopted by numerous countries and organizations. The IHRA states: "Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity," and  gives the following examples, among others:

• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

• Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

It also states:  "However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."    

https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

I think the IHRA is too broad and favours Israel. The JDA signed by hundreds of scholars is a more realistic definition of antisemitism.

Antisemitism is about Jews not Israel.

The Jerusalem Declaration on Antisemitism (2021) explicitly addresses comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany:

• Guideline 14 of the JDA states: “Comparing Israel with Nazis is not, in and of itself, antisemitic. It may be offensive, inaccurate, or polemical, but it is not antisemitic unless it is used to express hatred of Jews as Jews.”

• In other words, the JDA distinguishes between:

  • Political speech (harsh or even offensive criticism of Israel/Zionism).

  • Antisemitism (hatred or discrimination against Jews as Jews).

⚖️ Contrast with IHRA

• IHRA definition includes “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis” as one of its illustrative examples of antisemitism.

• This means under IHRA, such comparisons are generally considered antisemitic, whereas under JDA they are not automatically so.

On 12/21/2025 at 6:35 PM, Jingthing said:

What a disgusting post.

Not even worthy of a response. 

You mean you can't respond in a rational way.

On 12/24/2025 at 11:14 AM, Yagoda said:

All the more reason to murder them on the streets, right?

Who said that?

6 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Good on the Jews that are turning on Israel but there are still many more financially supporting the pariah state.

This is an opinion piece by Dov Forman, a British social media creator and grandson of a Holocaust survivor.

British Jews can’t endure another year of anti-Semitism

For British Jews, the events of 2025 were not unforeseen. For years, we had been waiting.

...

Waiting not because we are paranoid but because history has taught us what happens when hatred is tolerated, rationalised or ignored – Jews are systematically othered, pushed to the margins of society, and treated as fair game.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dov+Forman+&form=QBLH&sp=-1&ghc=2&lq=0&pq=dov+forman+&sc=11-11&qs=n&sk=&cvid=6FA39D48CBEF42B9A72BF572C0BE6B7F

He explains the effect massive waves of hatred have on British Jews.

My sympathies to those in the UK suffering antisemitism speech and even more to those in Gaza suffering unspeakable physical horrors every day.

16 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

This is an opinion piece by Dov Forman, a British social media creator and grandson of a Holocaust survivor.

British Jews can’t endure another year of anti-Semitism

For British Jews, the events of 2025 were not unforeseen. For years, we had been waiting.

...

Waiting not because we are paranoid but because history has taught us what happens when hatred is tolerated, rationalised or ignored – Jews are systematically othered, pushed to the margins of society, and treated as fair game.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dov+Forman+&form=QBLH&sp=-1&ghc=2&lq=0&pq=dov+forman+&sc=11-11&qs=n&sk=&cvid=6FA39D48CBEF42B9A72BF572C0BE6B7F

He explains the effect massive waves of hatred have on British Jews.

I wonder who else we could apply that to?

On 12/21/2025 at 7:03 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Because of course there can be no legitimate reason to oppose Israel’s genocide, ethnic cleansing and land grab in Gaza.

 

 

This type of rhetoric is not helpful.

On 12/22/2025 at 9:51 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s eloquently exposing the flaws in your argument.

I missed this, can you kindly provide a link?

5 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

This type of rhetoric is not helpful.

It’s not rhetoric, rather a recognition of what’s going on.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not rhetoric, rather a recognition of what’s going on.

Is it rhetoric.

On 12/22/2025 at 10:57 AM, Evil Penevil said:

A Jewish family in California claims they were targeted by a group of individuals who fired at their home and shouted anti-semitic and racist slurs.

https://people.com/jewish-home-with-hanukkah-decorations-shot-at-20-times-by-gunmen-who-yelled-free-palestine-family-says-118698753

The left’s version of a mostly peaceful protest.

5 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

The left’s version of a mostly peaceful protest.

Where is your evidence that this antisemitic attack was by anyone from ‘the left’?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where is your evidence that this antisemitic attack was by anyone from ‘the left’?

It’s California.

Just now, Effective altruism said:

It’s California.

Ah, I just realized.

A newly minted member ;-)