I never thought there would be so much controversy over an effing BBQ, posters have certainly excelled themselves this time.

🙄🙄🙄

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

But you've never been right about anything!

There is no god

Your former wives weren't narcissists

Easy to say someone's been wrong with no proof whatsoever. Not something an adult does is it? On the one hand, I've proven you wrong many times and you just disappear, obviously because you haven't the truth but your kind of fiction, something you believe only.

Prove there is no God, since you ask me to prove there is. All one has to do is look around to see the miracles of life, and thinking they all just happened from a big bang not created is ignorance.

And my ex here is a narcissist. Maybe you don't understand you weren't there, and that I always tell the truth, but you can't believe it because you have your own reasons to dismiss other's truths. My first wife was abusive, a cheat, liar and didn't want the mother job, so I got the kids. My second was hooked on painkillers and died eventually because of her doctor's over prescribing. I left all of them, and raised the kids. Think you can remember this, as I've said it many times here before.?

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I posted the first picture of an American styled grill I came to. Just to show the basics of what I was referring to. Understand? Again, I know oil drums have been used all over, and adopted by Americans also, a long time ago. I could have found a gas grill and posted that, but I'm thinking most would understand what I meant, and the thumbs up I received showed some got it.

That this topic went sideways is what happens daily by many members, drifting off topic a little, which is normal but shouldn't last, but you made it happen arguing with me because you couldn't really understand what I was saying all along. I had to explain myself, where you still didn't get it, yet had to keep going like you always do, with this and all your other usernames which most know by now.

Did you not see where I quit, seeing you still couldn't stop your crapola? My statement of course translated to exactly what I said. Something you still aren't understanding perhaps? I didn't move any goalposts. You just didn't understand what I meant from the start. Others did, including two I talked with on the phone that know who you are, how you act, and were laughing all along.

How does any of that fit with your statement of

Oil drums aren't American tradition, although they've also adopted it.

So whose tradition was it?

Thailand? 😊

Just now, roo860 said:

I never thought there would be so much controversy over an effing BBQ, posters have certainly excelled themselves this time.

🙄🙄🙄

It's not over a BBQ, it's over the suggestion that it's not a thing in Thailand, apart from some tiny sticks.

Crispy Pork is VERY popular in Thailand. How does he think it is created?

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Easy to say someone's been wrong with no proof whatsoever. Not something an adult does is it? On the one hand, I've proven you wrong many times and you just disappear, obviously because you haven't the truth but your kind of fiction, something you believe only.

Prove there is no God, since you ask me to prove there is. All one has to do is look around to see the miracles of life, and thinking they all just happened from a big bang not created is ignorance.

And my ex here is a narcissist. Maybe you don't understand you weren't there, and that I always tell the truth, but you can't believe it because you have your own reasons to dismiss other's truths. My first wife was abusive, a cheat, liar and didn't want the mother job, so I got the kids. My second was hooked on painkillers and died eventually because of her doctor's over prescribing. I left all of them, and raised the kids. Think you can remember this, as I've said it many times here before.?

I've posted the proof and each time I do, you pretend that you meant something other than what you wrote. You must be the most misunderstood person here.

No one takes you seriously here, because they see with their own eyes that you are wrong and how you wriggle and squirm rather than to just be a man to say, that you misspoke or didn't consider that angle. You prefer to pretend to know it all and end up making yourself look completely ridiculous...and then go on to tell people that you actually prevailed in the debate 😊 It's just madness 😊

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Prove there is no God, since you ask me to prove there is. All one has to do is look around to see the miracles of life, and thinking they all just happened from a big bang not created is ignorance.

Ok,it there's a god i dare him to strike me dead before midnight.

If I post tomorrow, I'm proven right!

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

You should stop trying to move the goalposts in any discussion. It's a very poor habit of yours.

You literally argued every point. That Mu Khrata didn't have BBQ. That only a particular American modern design of BBQ fits your description of traditional, when in fact it is the very opposite of traditional.

That's your issue. You just REFUSE to see it, when everyone else can.

Have you ever considered stating that you didn't consider it from that perspective? Rather than pretending that you knew everything years before everyone else? Stop it, it's cringeworthy.

You think that you are saving face, but it's only you who believes that you are getting away with it.

You should try restraint, seeing you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend what people here write. Turning it around is your style, as this username and all the others. You haven't the sense to just stBp, or better yet leave, as you're seen as a fool who trolls every time you're here. I said, many times, there are many forms and traditions, and many styles of grilling.

Again, write this down and post it in front of you. The American style of BBQ is not practiced here but a fraction of what it is in America. This has nothing to do with any other styles of BBQ, as there are many and I again, have known about them for decades. Oil drums for Barbacoa, like you mentioned, started in the Caribbean centuries ago. Oil drums for smoking and grilling started in East Texas.

This IS what I've been saying all along and you still keep coming back with the same retorts. Grow up for God's sake. Try not to assume what others know, as you haven't a clue. Posting links to try and teach someone who's far advanced of your childish trolling doesn't work, but just makes you look worse every time.

I'm not saving face but pointing out how ridiculous you sound, and always sound here. Educate yourself, as you're nowhere near my league, seeing I've proven you wrong each and every time NowNow, jakeC, Batteringram, Ninja, Centigrade, NextG and all the others.

6 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I've posted the proof and each time I do, you pretend that you meant something other than what you wrote. You must be the most misunderstood person here.

No one takes you seriously here, because they see with their own eyes that you are wrong and how you wriggle and squirm rather than to just be a man to say, that you misspoke or didn't consider that angle. You prefer to pretend to know it all and end up making yourself look completely ridiculous...and then go on to tell people that you actually prevailed in the debate 😊 It's just madness 😊

Actually, if you look at my reputation, and how much i try to help, many take me seriously, even if some disagree with me. I never lie here, state facts and tell things just how they are and how they happened. You on the other hand, are a proven troll, exaggerator and narcissist, with all your usernames, and your reputation with this one alone speaks volumes. Give it a rest.

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Ok,it there's a god i dare him to strike me dead before midnight.

If I post tomorrow, I'm proven right!

Thinking God works that way is ludicrous. You'll meet him someday, and maybe then you'll realize what I've been talking about.

10 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

It's not over a BBQ, it's over the suggestion that it's not a thing in Thailand, apart from some tiny sticks.

Crispy Pork is VERY popular in Thailand. How does he think it is created?

On Thai style grills, just the same as I've watched my ex, girlfriend and a hundred others here have grilled. Not once have I seen an American style BBQ grill used , although they do exist, as I saw them for sale the first year I moved here. There are thousands of small grills used here, as I see them daily, and my girlfriend used one when she sold chicken the day I met her. Think about that a second, and think what I've been saying since the beginning. that you misinterpreted or didn't understand what I meant is on you. Others seem to have.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You should try restraint, seeing you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend what people here write. Turning it around is your style, as this username and all the others. You haven't the sense to just stBp, or better yet leave, as you're seen as a fool who trolls every time you're here. I said, many times, there are many forms and traditions, and many styles of grilling.

Again, write this down and post it in front of you. The American style of BBQ is not practiced here but a fraction of what it is in America. This has nothing to do with any other styles of BBQ, as there are many and I again, have known about them for decades.

This IS what I've been saying all along and you still keep coming back with the same retorts. Grow up for God's sake. Try not to assume what others know, as you haven't a clue. Posting links to try and teach someone who's far advanced of your childish trolling doesn't work, but just makes you look worse every time.

I'm not saving face but pointing out how ridiculous you sound, and always sound here. Educate yourself, as you're nowhere near my league, seeing I've proven you wrong each and every time NowNow, jakeC, Batteringram, Ninja, Centigrade, NextG and all the others.

Stop it, you didn't even get to higher education, but yet dare to suggest that I'm not intelligent enough to understand what you write. What a truly pathetic specimen.

Turn it around? You mean like from this:

They don't BBQ here like they do back home, besides the little ones for meatballs, squid, chicken and such to sell,but most everything else is the same.

to this:

The American style of BBQ is not practiced here but a fraction of what it is in America

Even if that were true, you are still wrong. The crispy pork aforementioned, the barrels for roasting pigs...That can be classed as American style, whether it originated in the USA or not.

So no matter which way you try to twist it, you were/are wrong. BBQ of all kinds is very popular here.

Best you try to actually get on with people, rather than pretending to be a know it all. You don't know it all and you aren't helping anyone with your sweeping generalised statements.

Just now, IsmeUno said:

Stop it, you didn't even get to higher education, but yet dare to suggest that I'm not intellighent enough to understand what you write. What a truly pathetic specimen.

Turn it around? You mean like from this:

to this:

Even if that were true, you are still wrong. The crispy pork aforementioned, the barrels for roasting pigs...That can be classed as American style, whether it originated in the USA or not.

So no matter which way you try to twist it, you were/are wrong. BBQ of all kinds is very popular here.

Best you try to actually get on with people, rather than pretending to be a know it all. You don't know it all and you aren't helping anyone with your sweeping generalised statements.

Stop what? Calling you out on your trolling and showing you the mistakes you make? How would you know how much education I have? From how you talk here, it shows very little, plus an enormous amount of ego and gaslighting.Can't be proven wrong and accept it, much as the narcissist personality works.

Where did I say BBQ styles weren't happening here? All I said was the traditional American style BBQ grill isn't much used here. Nowhere near what it is in America. Just a fraction if that, which is a fact. I sold them, and talked to BBQ sales people here, whom know a lot more than your limited experience and words just to troll me, like you always do. Roasting pigs in the barrel style cookers isn't the same as American style grills. Still not getting it are you? You know exactly what I was talking about when I posted a grill picture. Does this help ?...........https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNXQqhRMrir98KDaT9-GzXI8-qF2Oow3P3Gg&s

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5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

On Thai style grills, just the same as I've watched my ex, girlfriend and a hundred others here have grilled. Not once have I seen an American style BBQ grill used , although they do exist, as I saw them for sale the first year I moved here. There are thousands of small grills used here, as I see them daily, and my girlfriend used one when she sold chicken the day I met her. Think about that a second, and think what I've been saying since the beginning. that you misinterpreted or didn't understand what I meant is on you. Others seem to have.

Small grills and big grills are still BBQ. Not everyone is going to make their own crispy pork or honey baked chicken at home, especially if they live in an apartment. So they go outside to get it, usually from a vendor who has the equipment. Why don't you simply modify a barrel at your home in the sticks and show them how it's done? That's a traditional Texas BBQ method. There is absolutely no need to fork out for a modern design, unless you are running a business and need consistency.

All you do is complain 😊

Key Aspects of Making Thai Whole Crispy Pork:

• Preparation Process: The skin is heavily punctured or scored, and the meat is typically boiled first to cook it, then marinated and dried thoroughly to ensure maximum crispness.

• Cooking Methods:

  • Deep-frying: Common in street food stalls, where pork is fried at medium temperatures to melt the fat and crisp the skin.

  • Roasted/Baked: Techniques include using charcoal ovens (e.g., Neng Earthen Jar Roast Pork) or spit-roasting for whole suckling pigs, which adds a smoky flavor.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Stop what? Calling you out on your trolling and showing you the mistakes you make? How would you know how much education I have? From how you talk here, it shows very little, plus an enormous amount of ego and gaslighting.Can't be proven wrong and accept it, much as the narcissist personality works.

Where did I say BBQ styles weren't happening here? All I said was the traditional American style BBQ grill isn't much used here. Nowhere near what it is in America. Just a fraction if that, which is a fact. I sold them, and talked to BBQ sales people here, whom know a lot more than your limited experience and words just to troll me, like you always do. Roasting pigs in the barrel style cookers isn't the same as American style grills. Still not getting it are you? You know exactly what I was talking about when I posted a grill picture. Does this help ?...........https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZfwWrWk-dNgMc8QMqEsDn78scswSVTjkBsQ&s

Right here:

They don't BBQ here like they do back home, besides the little ones for meatballs, squid, chicken and such to sell,but most everything else is the same.

There was nothing about a Traditional American Grill in your original post. You brought that up later. But obviously that is not what you meant, as you argued that the modified barrels in Thailand, weren't traditional 😊

So you are trying to tell us that ONLY if they buy specifically an American brand of BBQ device, it doesn't qualify as BBQ. How very arrogant and ignorant.

I can guarantee that some members are looking at what you think is your description of me in the post that I have quoted and thinking that it more likely describes you.

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Small grills and big grills are still BBQ. Not everyone is going to make their own crispy pork or honey baked chicken at home, especially if they live in an apartment. So they go outside to get it, usually from a vendor who has the equipment. Why don't you simply modify a barrel at your home in the sticks and show them how it's done. There is absolutely no need to fork out for a modern design, unless you are running a business and need consistency.

All you do is complain 😊

Key Aspects of Making Thai Whole Crispy Pork:

• Preparation Process: The skin is heavily punctured or scored, and the meat is typically boiled first to cook it, then marinated and dried thoroughly to ensure maximum crispness.

• Cooking Methods:

  • Deep-frying: Common in street food stalls, where pork is fried at medium temperatures to melt the fat and crisp the skin.

  • Roasted/Baked: Techniques include using charcoal ovens (e.g., Neng Earthen Jar Roast Pork) or spit-roasting for whole suckling pigs, which adds a smoky flavor.

You still can't understand I know what styles of BBQ they do here, from small grills for meatballs, short ones with a small grill for meat and fish, oil drums for pigs and other meat, Mu Krata style. and the FEW American styles usually used by foreigners. I listed these before a few times. Maybe you need to read everything and try to comprehend before you try and prove someone wrong, as you surely should understand what I was talking about by now, seeing I've explained it over and over.

Most everything else is the same as used in America also, besides the regular American style outdoor BBQ gas, propane and charcoal grills. They DON'T use the American grills but a fraction of what Americans do. Now read that three times slow. And give it a rest like i said, although you seem to not see what I've been doing all along.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

You still can't understand I know what styles of BBQ they do here, from small grills for meatballs, short ones with a small grill for meat and fish, oil drums for pigs and other meat, Mu Krata style. and the FEW American styles usually used by foreigners. I listed these before a few times. maybe you need to read everything and try to comprehend before you try and prove someone wrong, as you surely should understand what I was talking about by now, seeing I've explained it over and over.

Most everything else is the same as used in America also, besides the regular American style outdoor BBQ gas, propane and charcoal grills. They DON'T use the American grills but a fraction of what Americans do. Now read that three times slow. And give it a rest like i said, although you seem to not see what I've been doing all along.

Where did you list them? This seems like a mental illness. It was I that posted these different methods. After which you proclaimed that you knew about all of this stuff years before me. Now you are claiming that you posted it in the first instance 😂 You are 'off your trolley' 😊

9 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Right here:

There was nothing about a Traditional American Grill in your original post. You brought that up later. But obviously that is not what you meant, as you argued that the modified barrels in Thailand, weren't traditional 😊

So you are trying to tell us that ONLY if they buy specifically an American brand of BBQ device, it doesn't qualify as BBQ. How very arrogant and ignorant.

I can guarantee that some members are looking at what you think is your description of me in the post that I have quoted and thinking that it more likely describes you.

When I mentioned BBQ in America, of course I was talking about traditional American style BBQ grills. You might not have been to America enough to understand what I meant, but most everyone here should understand. Of course it's what I meant, as I explained it to you many times afterwards. You might think people lie because that might be your style, but I have never lied here and have no reason to. You call it moving the goalposts because you plainly didn't understand what I meant from the beginning. I've since tried to have you understand, but being obtuse, it's over your head still.

Where did I say if they didn't use an American style of BBQ that it isn't BBQ? Again, seeing you're comprehension levels fluctuate greatly, I did mention many other styles of BBQ used here. In fact, I actually had a Thai ex wife, along with her family, friends, and the last 5 years plus, my Thai girlfriend who uses Thai and other styles, so you would think I do know there are other BBQ styles used here wouldn't you?

And no, what I've described you as is spot on the money. We aren't teenagers here, and most adults surely know what kind of person you are by the way you troll others here, many besides me. You keep failing, have long been busted, but are too arrogant and ignorant to stop, but keep coming back. Keep it up, as everyone will eventually see you for exactly what you are.

6 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Where did you list them? This seems like a mental illness. It was I that posted these different methods. After which you proclaimed that you knew about all of this stuff years before me. Now you are claiming that you posted it in the first instance 😂 You are 'off your trolley' 😊

If you can read, and comprehend, without automatically responding, you would see I listed many styles, styles I and my girlfriend, my ex and her family and friends have used all along,which shows I knew about them all along, and the link you posted also, assuming i didn't. Arrogance. And yes, a mental illness you'll never admit to, or possibly don't see in yourself.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

When I mentioned BBQ in America, of course I was talking about traditional American style BBQ grills. You might not have been to America enough to understand what I meant, but most everyone here should understand. Of course it's what I meant, as I explained it to you many times afterwards. You might think people lie because that might be your style, but I have never lied here and have no reason to. You call it moving the goalposts because you plainly didn't understand what I meant from the beginning. I've since tried to have you understand, but being obtuse, it's over your head still.

Where did I say if they didn't use an American style of BBQ that it isn't BBQ? Again, seeing you're comprehension levels fluctuate greatly, I did mention many other styles of BBQ used here. In fact, I actually had a Thai ex wife, along with her family, friends, and the last 5 years plus, my Thai girlfriend who uses Thai and other styles, so you would think I do know there are other BBQ styles used here wouldn't you?

And no, what I've described you as is spot on the money. We aren't teenagers here, and most adults surely know what kind of person you are by the way you troll others here, many besides me. You keep failing, have long been busted, but are too arrogant and ignorant to stop, but keep coming back. keep it up, as everyone will eventually see you for exactly what you are.

Please demonstrate how anyone should have understood any of that, from your original statement of:

Football is the number one hobby here, along with lakorns and gossiping. Eating is done everywhere and no different here than back home, where the variety is much larger. They don't BBQ here like they do back home, besides the little ones for meatballs, squid, chicken and such to sell,but most everything else is the same.

Now that has changed to:

You still can't understand I know what styles of BBQ they do here, from small grills for meatballs, short ones with a small grill for meat and fish, oil drums for pigs and other meat, Mu Krata style. and the FEW American styles usually used by foreigners.

Yet NONE of these styles were mentioned until AFTER I brought them up for discussion. The oil drums ARE the 'American style'. But you didn't mention them at all, until I pointed them out and sent you pictures. Not even once.

So obviously, they DO BBQ here and eat it just as often. It's ludicrous to expect them to cook exactly the same things as in another country, so the common denominator is BBQ in whatever form. It's rife here. Simple as that. Your wriggling and squirming and your attempts at gaslighting have been noted...again.

Bbqs and god - nothing to do with topic

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If you can read, and comprehend, without automatically responding, you would see I listed many styles, styles I and my girlfriend, my ex and her family and friends have used all along,which shows I knew about them all along, and the link you posted also, assuming i didn't. Arrogance. And yes, a mental illness you'll never admit to, or possibly don't see in yourself.

Show me, in this thread, where you listed the many styles. It should be easy to demonstrate.

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Bbqs and god - nothing to do with topic

I agree. BBQ in Thailand was much the same twenty years ago. It's a traditional cooking method.

Throw something in to bring it back on track 😊 @fredwriggly isn't going to be able to concede that he isn't telling the truth.

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I agree. BBQ in Thailand was much the same twenty years ago. It's a traditional cooking method.

Throw something in to bring it back on track 😊 @fredwriggly isn't going to be able to concede that he isn't telling the truth.

Bbq chicken

Bbq fish

Bbq pork

All the same.

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Please demonstrate how anyone should have understood any of that, from your original statement of:

Now that has changed to:

Yet NONE of these styles were mentioned until AFTER I brought them up for discussion. The oil drums ARE the 'American style'. But you didn't mention them at all, until I pointed them out and sent you pictures. Not even once.

So obviously, they DO BBQ here and eat it just as often. It's ludicrous to expect them to cook exactly the same things as in another country, so the common denominator is BBQ in whatever form. It's rife here. Simple as that. Your wriggling and squirming and your attempts at gaslighting have been noted...again.

Go back and look. I also stated that my ex, her family, my girlfriend and I have BBQ'd in the styles mentioned. All of them. Mu Krata, small grills, short grill ceramic pots, the ones for meatballs and such. Doesn't this mean I already knew about them?

Do you really think someone with your limited ability could educate anyone, especially one who has your number from the start and has proven you wrong every time in all your usernames? Low self esteem isn't going to help your cause, as your assumptions aren't going anywhere. On hand experience with a number of families and friends is a lot more than your habit of trying to one up someone here.

Again, don't answer for anyone here, as I'm sure they don't want to be lumped in with a character like you. Try your high school banter elsewhere, and restraint, as you're still missing the point I made, and coming back over and over proves more what you're really about.

5 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I agree. BBQ in Thailand was much the same twenty years ago. It's a traditional cooking method.

Throw something in to bring it back on track 😊 @fredwriggly isn't going to be able to concede that he isn't telling the truth.

Actually I always tell the truth. That you can't understand or comprehend what I've said is again on you.

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Bbq chicken

Bbq fish

Bbq pork

All the same.

Was that meant to get the topic back on track? Did I miss something there? I need to ask, as it's so easy to 'misinterpret' what is written 😊

13 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Please demonstrate how anyone should have understood any of that, from your original statement of:

Now that has changed to:

Yet NONE of these styles were mentioned until AFTER I brought them up for discussion. The oil drums ARE the 'American style'. But you didn't mention them at all, until I pointed them out and sent you pictures. Not even once.

So obviously, they DO BBQ here and eat it just as often. It's ludicrous to expect them to cook exactly the same things as in another country, so the common denominator is BBQ in whatever form. It's rife here. Simple as that. Your wriggling and squirming and your attempts at gaslighting have been noted...again.

You still can't understand all I did was tell another that BBQ like they do in America, with American style grills, is done but a fraction of the time that it's done in America. Again, read that a few times so you don't go off track. That's all. Nothing to do with the myriad of other styles used here, as I and others I know have used many times over the years. Funny, the three, now, people I've talked to on the phone who have been here understand what I meant, as I'm sure everyone else here does. Yes, lets go back to the OP, and list things that are or not better after 20 years, and try restraint this time.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Go back and look. I also stated that my ex, her family, my girlfriend and I have BBQ'd in the styles mentioned. All of them. Mu Krata, small grills, short grill ceramic pots, the ones for meatballs and such. Doesn't this mean I already knew about them?

Do you really think someone with your limited ability could educate anyone, especially one who has your number from the start and has proven you wrong every time in all your usernames? Low self esteem isn't going to help your cause, as your assumptions aren't going anywhere. On hand experience with a number of families and friends is a lot more than your habit of trying to one up someone here.

Again, don't answer for anyone here, as I'm sure they don't want to be lumped in with a character like you. Try your high school banter elsewhere, and restraint, as you're still missing the point I made, and coming back over and over proves more what you're really about.

Please link to where you did it BEFORE I listed them. Every time I go back to check something at your request, it goes on to prove that you were actually wrong. So I think it best that you link to where you did it, so there is no chance of me not referring to the correct post.

So please...link to where you brought up the BBQ grills at Mu Khrata, the ceramic pots...any of those things.

I remember distinctly that you were arguing that Mu Khrata didn't have BBQ. Now you are pretending that you knew it all along. You are weird. 😊 You don't tell the truth. Prove it. Show us that you posted about all of those styles that you describe, BEFORE I had to point them out to you.

As an aside, if you have all those 'styles' available to you, why have you not created some barbecued meats to show them how it's done?

9 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Your figures are completely inaccurate and your rhetoric off base. Beef is around 200 baht per kg at the wet markets. 235 baht at Go Wholesale.

I use it for curries, casseroles and braised beef dishes.

Who cares. It was just a random number I pulled out of the air.

Who shops in a wet market ffs? Issarn wives. It's 2026. Must be absolute crap beef bc the Thai stuff in the grocery stores is still mid. It's like those 99b steakhouses you see on the rural roads 😂

Of course you use it in all those farang dishes. Foreigners don't eat Thai food