Congress Randy Fine considers himself to be an Islamophobe and thinks it is "rational" be be afraid of the followers of Islam.

Do you consider this "hate speech" and should it be banned in the United States? Support your opinion in the comments. Also inform us if you are or are not a US citizens.



https://x.com/RepFine/status/2032230398009200896

2 minutes ago, connda said:

Congress Randy Fine considers himself to be an Islamophobe and thinks it is "rational" be be afraid of the followers of Islam.

Do you consider this "hate speech" and should it be banned in the United States? Support your opinion in the comments.



https://x.com/RepFine/status/2032230398009200896

We should fear all religions, because it is only peaceful as long as it is political useful, and at once there is need to demonise anything, it becomes the political tool needed to give people a higher reason for using every method possible to achieve the goals set.

Putin demostrated it perfectly, and Trump and his government copying it!

Personally I find Mr. Fine's comment to be hateful and overtly bigoted and discriminatory toward the followers of Islam.
However - his opinion is protected speech under the First Amendment. As long as he's not promoting violence toward Muslims.

I find Mr. Fine to be a small-minded bigot spewing intolerance, xenophobia, and hostile language from his podium of the US Congress - and he is a vile creep. How this people get elected is beyond me. 🫷

Islam is the final word from God on his works- Judaism was replaced by Christianity and Christianity by Allah (PBUH) and that's why it's the world's largest religion - it is literally God's work.

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Islam is the final word from God on his works- Judaism was replaced by Christianity and Christianity by Allah (PBUH) and that's why it's the world's largest religion - it is literally God's work.

All 3 major religions are essentially the same and they are all scams and used for control.

Too bad you're not allowed to criticize something that should have been abolished a long time ago.

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

All 3 major religions are essentially the same and they are all scams and used for control.

Too bad you're not allowed to criticize something that should have been abolished a long time ago.

Criticizing religions is not forbidden.

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

All 3 major religions are essentially the same and they are all scams and used for control.

Too bad you're not allowed to criticize something that should have been abolished a long time ago.

We are just anaimals who made everything up - like language - this forum - countries , religions all made up apart from the righteous anger of my wife. That's real.

Just now, candide said:

Criticising religions is not forbidden.

Well, for whatever reason, there is one in particular where you might get killed criticizing it. The other 2 not so much.

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

righteous anger of my wife. That's real.

don't piss her off

No, it's simply an opinion.

Personally, I don't know what hate speech is. Expressing ones opinion is allowed, and should be. Banning any speech or expression is censorship, and wrong. Oh course one must consider the consequences of expressing one's opinion in public.

It may be protected by law, but not from the person who hears it. Choose wisely.

With obvious exceptions that would cause, falsely yelling fire in a theater, as example.

Yes, I'm a Yank. Also part of the reason I wanted to retire outside of USA, getting a wee bit to PC.

And don't start asking me about 'what if' examples ... thank you.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Well, for whatever reason, there is one in particular where you might get killed criticizing it. The other 2 not so much.

It's not forbidden by law in secular democracies, which is the topic of this thread.

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No, it's simply an opinion.

Personally, I don't know what hate speech is. Expressing ones opinion is allowed, and should be. Banning any speech or expression is censorship, and wrong. Oh course one must consider the consequences of expressing one's opinion in public.

It may be protected by law, but not from the person who hears it. Choose wisely.

With obvious exceptions that would cause, falsely yelling fire in a theater, as example.

Yes, I'm a Yank. Also part of the reason I wanted to retire outside of USA, getting a wee bit to PC.

And don't start asking me about 'what if' examples ... thank you.

Go in to a football pub in uk with their rival club effects on, and see ? I have been to Uk football games, and it shows you tribe mentality from its most extreme sides, and Turkey is even worse.

Same goes for Religion, fire up the believers, and they are ready to do anything for their god/government/leader

Hegseth is a good example.

A bit like with israel. You dare comment on how israel is shooting on innocent unarmed civilians, journalists, UN workers etc all over Gaza...and you'll be straightforwardly accused of anti semitism. On the other hand israel is also doing the dirty work, that the west allowed and never acted against various islamist terror nations or groups all over the Middle East.

Looks that the Dubai dream is gone forewever.

It's a stupid and offensive statement but not really hate speech.

It becomes hate speech when it is against people, and not only religion in general.

No — the statement itself is not automatically hate speech.

• It criticises or expresses fear of a religion (Islam).

• Hate-speech rules usually target attacks on people (Muslims), not beliefs.

But: many forums or platforms may still treat it as hate speech or Islamophobia because it frames an entire religion as something to fear.

10 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

A bit like with israel. You dare comment on how israel is shooting on innocent unarmed civilians, journalists, UN workers etc all over Gaza...and you'll be straightforwardly accused of anti semitism. On the other hand israel is also doing the dirty work, that the west allowed and never acted against various islamist terror nations or groups all over the Middle East.

Looks that the Dubai dream is gone forewever.

Don't want to go further off topic, but you might want to Google 'G AI' ...

... " NATO involved conflicts in the middle east since 2000 ", click on deeper dive after that opens. You'll come off as less ignorant in the future.

22 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Well, for whatever reason, there is one in particular where you might get killed criticizing it. The other 2 not so much.

Plenty of people have been killed for heresey.

If you replaced 'Islam' with 'Jewish' (or he says he's antisemitic and thinks everyone else should be too) would everyone vote the same way?

While the USA has a Consitutional right to freedom of speech, other countries also recognize and protect freedom of speech and the right to voice their views, but many of the latter draw the line at hate speech based upon race or religion. Even the media in the USA are sensitive to what they re-publish as quotes. The so-called "N" word is a case in point. Anti-Zionist rhetoric/narratives are also ignored (usually).

never heard of the guy I'm not from the US What he said cant really be considered as "hate speech" as it didn't even make sense

firstly he suggests more "islamophobia " is needed ( a phobia being an irrational fear)

and then he says "fear of Islam is "rational" so by his definition , not a phobia

So what does he actually want ?

What he probably meant , whether he knows it or not , is that Whilst not all muslims are terrorists , rapists, suicide bombers , or religious fanatics acting either as lone jihadists , or as members of some organisation, Not all muslims despise us and our western values, and seek to destroy our societies by any means.

However a small minority unfortunately, do fall into the above categories and pose a real threat, not only to non muslims but also to other Muslims there is a chance albeit a small one that you or somebody you know could experience the results of this first hand

Unfortunately its often not possible, to tell the good decent law abiding muslim citizens, apart from the hate filled fundamentalists, they all look the same, the bad guys rarely advertise their ill intent until seconds before they "press the switch" And the good guys seldom if ever condemn the bad guys activities,

We don't actually hear so much out of any of them at all, mainly because these days they don't need to say so much, they leave that to what they consider their "useful idiots" the brain washed infidel lefties who do the donkey work for them, stuff like organising marches and raising money for their cause from selling "gaza scarves" etc along with other more sophisticated fundraising techniques assisting them with there welfare claims, and of course getting all hysterical over "hate speech" on social media and internet forums etc etc etc just like the OP

So better safe than sorry, and unless you know them personally, or you know a person who does, exercise caution, in the unlikely event that any of them try to initiate any interaction with you for no apparent reason!

I would call that sound advice, advice that any responsible western government should be giving to all their citizens including Moslems

Yet some consider it "hate speech" ?

As usual nobody will ask the proper questions.

The point is what makes people antisemitic , or anti this or anti that, in the first place ?

Action always has a reaction. It's a universal law.

So why not Stop trying to fight the symptoms. Why not get to the core of the problem and rather openly expose certain actions that are pushing moderate people to get hostile and get a reaction.

Expressing an opposing opinion is not hate speech, unless of course one is weak minded, easily offended and walking on social eggshells. A segment of any religion that inspires hatred and elimination of opposing views most certainly needs to be pointed out and demeaned. The islam extremest (the religion as a whole) have given the religion a bad reputation by imposing its oppressive rules on its followers such as not accepting those of with different religious beliefs and women having to dress a certain way. Islam has more extremest than any other religion. Bleeding hearts taking pity on those who hate and want to eliminate them, nothing more than a bunch of moths to the flames.

7 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

As usual nobody will ask the proper questions.

The islamic issue is something few politicians are willing to talk about either from a fear of losing votes or from a fear of getting screamed at and receiving death threats from the blue haired , brainwashed infidel enablers I referred to earlier

There is clearly a problem and it needs to be discussed, in the open , in a calm and civilised manner, something the leftists are simply not prepared to allow.

Describing people who's views do not align with one's own as......

2 hours ago, connda said:

a small-minded bigot spewing intolerance, xenophobia, and hostile language from his podium of the U S Congress - and he is a vile creep.

Is rather childish in my opinion and quite frankly sounds a bit ridiculous coming from a grown man, it's the kind of over emotional reaction one would expect from a woke college student (one of the fat, ugly ,rug muncher type) and precisely the reason why the politicians won't get involved

The more laws they pass to promote positive discrimination, and the more things they invent like "hate speech" to prevent criticism or discussion , the more people will start to feel resentful

Why is the irrational fear / hatred of jews not considered a "Phobia" The word "phobia" only seems to be applied (in this particular and inaccurate sense) to things that the lefties don't like Homophobia , Transphobia and Islamophobia the unholy trinity

Why islamophobia and not just anti islam ? I think the phobia bit is designed to be used as a leftists "stopping" word , just like "Nazi" "Racist" or "fascist" once a leftist has screamed the accusation in the face of the alleged "bigot" no excuses or defence is considered to be valid or will even be listened to.

6 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Why is the irrational fear / hatred of jews not considered a "Phobia" The word "phobia" only seems to be applied (in this particular and inaccurate sense) to things that the lefties don't like Homophobia , Transphobia and Islamophobia the unholy trinity

Why islamophobia and not just anti islam ? I think the phobia bit is designed to be used as a leftists "stopping" word , just like "Nazi" "Racist" or "fascist" once a leftist has screamed the accusation in the face of the alleged "bigot" no excuses or defence is considered to be valid or will even be listened to.

Because you can hate someone, without fearing them.

Phobia ...

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/phobias#:~:text=A%20phobia%20is%20an%20uncontrollable,that%20lasts%20for%20several%20minutes.

What is the true meaning of phobia?

A phobia is an uncontrollable, irrational, and lasting fear of a certain object, situation, or activity. This fear can be so overwhelming that a person may go to great lengths to avoid the source of this fear. One response can be a panic attack. This is a sudden, intense fear that lasts for several minutes.

17 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Why is the irrational fear / hatred of jews not considered a "Phobia" The word "phobia" only seems to be applied (in this particular and inaccurate sense) to things that the lefties don't like Homophobia , Transphobia and Islamophobia the unholy trinity

Why islamophobia and not just anti islam ? I think the phobia bit is designed to be used as a leftists "stopping" word , just like "Nazi" "Racist" or "fascist" once a leftist has screamed the accusation in the face of the alleged "bigot" no excuses or defence is considered to be valid or will even be listened to.

Many of those words have lost any and all meaning now. Not that they ever had much to begin with.

I’ve always despised this ridiculous idea of ‘hate speech’, so no, criticising a religion should definitely fall within any definition of free speech. Defining what should be free speech has never been easy, but examples of banned speech should be things like defamation, clearly and directly threatening speech, and obscenity (though the definition of the latter has obviously greatly changed).

Very recently in an Australian state, a protester was arrested for wearing a T-shirt with the slogan “From the river to the sea”. Although I loathe and despise such people, I’m outraged at his arrest, as it’s clearly an attack on his right to free speech. An interpretation that it’s threatening speech because it implies he’s calling for the destruction of Israel is drawing far too long a bow (and I’m a strong supporter of Israel).

Those lovers of ‘hate speech’ laws should be very careful, as this stupid invention by the Woke can so easily be turned against them.

Not a US citizen.

how about dumb speech from liberal dip<deleted>z. Should Trump initiate the moron act to expel morons from congress!

5 minutes ago, tuucows said:

Should Trump initiate the moron act to expel morons from congress!

That wouldnt leave many

5 hours ago, connda said:

Personally I find Mr. Fine's comment to be hateful and overtly bigoted and discriminatory toward the followers of Islam.
However - his opinion is protected speech under the First Amendment. As long as he's not promoting violence toward Muslims.

I find Mr. Fine to be a small-minded bigot spewing intolerance, xenophobia, and hostile language from his podium of the US Congress - and he is a vile creep. How this people get elected is beyond me. 🫷

If someone said the same about Jews, would that be protected?

2 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

“From the river to the sea”. Although I loathe and despise such people, I’m outraged at his arrest, as it’s clearly an attack on his right to free speech.

Do you realize this is Israel's plan?

Why would you hate those against Israel taking over Palestine by genocide and ethnic cleansing?