Time and time again on this forum I see members post threads they moved to South East Asia because their own Country became "woke" . .. and yes I said South East Asia instead of just Thailand, because this forum is about all Asia just not Thailand..

But having mentioned that let's get back to the topic , so they say they moved to South .East Asia because my own country become "woke " ( actually they write Thailand they didnt write SEA but we have already mentioned that so let's get back to my post please !

So I can never understand what they mean , because now many countries in South East Asia are *woke " , one only has to look at Philippines for vlogging which they outlawed recently, but anyway for those who say they moved to Thailand because their own country became "woke ".....please explain

It means that Thailand is a place where you can finally have sex with a thin woman.

As you yourself have.

2 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

It means that Thailand is a place where you can finally have sex with a thin woman.

As you yourself have.

Disgusting and please don't make assumptions.

Since you admit to pounding a lady boy hard here, to me that’s the exact same thing as if you pounded a thin woman hard.

That attitude, that it’s the same thing, is the definition of woke.

So I guess I’m woke.

But would I say it’s the exact same thing? My best guess is no. Georgie, your thoughts?

But take the test: how do you vote?

We don't have to concern ourselves with what most activists are doing. Most "activists" these days are merely netizens. Getting up off your bum and actually doing something is far different than moaning, groaning and criticizing on social media. For me, that amounts to next to zero, in terms of courage. Being outraged is simply participating in victim culture, and weak PC nonsense, which is degrading society and preformed mostly by weaklings.

Everything sparks debate these days, everything seems to offend the snowflakes, everything seems to cause "netizen outrage".

Who cares, it means nothing, it is less than zero. Outrage is simply a manifestation of weak victim culture.

I don't like anybody dictating to me how I should speak, nor how I should behave. I don't do PC, never have, and never will. You don't like the way I refer to you, that's your issue not mine. You want to be a victim that's on you.

Being a real activist, who makes an honest effort to support a valid cause, is a whole different level of courage and conviction.

Personally, I despise PC. And social justice authoritarianism. I think it represents alot of what is wrong with contemporary culture, and especially America today. It is a major form of weakness, when you allow yourself to be easily offended, and take everything personally. Granted, there are things that can be perceived as offensive, but allowing yourself to be offended by tiny little things people say and do is a bit much! But, the people who are offended daily, by things others say, are just weak, and would benefit by growing thicker skin. Life can be rough and caustic at times, and for those of us who have grown thick skin, it is like water off a ducks back. No big deal, at all. Think what you want to think. It just does not mean anything to those with self esteem, and a sense of who and what they are. Granted, these are just my opinions, and some will take offense to them. LOL. 

The US and the UK are by far the most tolerant countries in the world when it comes to the whole trans, non-binary, amorosexual, decide whatever you want today, if it fits mentality. No other country is as loose, driftless, and as silly as the US.

A lot of so called woke stuff is just politeness and treating people fairly without making assumptions. There was a time when politicians did go a tad overboard to be politically correct but in the main that's gone. So it is often something that isn't happening now .

Or some here don't like certain rules and call them woke. People call Australia woke because they were speeding or drink driving and got caught.

Or they have unpopular opinions such as crapping on about how modern women suck and surprise surprise many were not impressed. They didn't realise it wasn't the opinion so much as they were crude and boring.

34 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

I don't understand woke

Strange comment coming from the an Australian.

Albo is the KING of Woke and we have the ABC, full of Wokes

I'm far right

Because I worked in government in a public outreach job in New York City,I have actually met woke people like in the Fox News stereotype.

There is indeed that 1000,000th of a percent of people who are obsessed with identity politics.

And out of those, about one percent areactual racial grifters, almost always with a church connection.

But like women studies majors, they have no power and effect no change.

Conservatives are more likely to have seen a rhinoceros in the wild than a hairy armpitted feminist.

It’s for men with declining testosterone who want to get mad so they can feel a little burst of energy down below.

If you move to the paradise of Thailand and you brought these bad mental health habits with you, I feel bad for you.

If like me, you came for a fresh start, you just tune out the useless, impotent, wholly self induced rage.

My take of it straight out of my head

It is like everyone have equal rights to work, do sports, and then suddenly some few minorities should have extra advantages because they are minorities.

AI definition

“Woke” originally meant being alert to injustice, especially racism and discrimination.

Today, people use it in very different ways:

Supportive use: caring about social fairness, equal treatment, and discrimination.

Critical use: a belief that activism has gone too far, especially when people think some groups are being given special treatment rather than equal treatment.

So the definition you wrote is not the original definition. It is more like a critical opinion about what some people call “woke politics.”

A more neutral way to say your sentence would be:

“Some people use ‘woke’ critically to describe policies or attitudes they believe go beyond equal rights and give unfair advantages to certain minority groups.”

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

Disgusting and please don't make assumptions.

Would you rather it be a fat man?

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

We don't have to concern ourselves with what most activists are doing. Most "activists" these days are merely netizens. Getting up off your bum and actually doing something is far different than moaning, groaning and criticizing on social media. For me, that amounts to next to zero, in terms of courage. Being outraged is simply participating in victim culture, and weak PC nonsense, which is degrading society and preformed mostly by weaklings.

Everything sparks debate these days, everything seems to offend the snowflakes, everything seems to cause "netizen outrage".

Who cares, it means nothing, it is less than zero. Outrage is simply a manifestation of weak victim culture.

I don't like anybody dictating to me how I should speak, nor how I should behave. I don't do PC, never have, and never will. You don't like the way I refer to you, that's your issue not mine. You want to be a victim that's on you.

Being a real activist, who makes an honest effort to support a valid cause, is a whole different level of courage and conviction.

Personally, I despise PC. And social justice authoritarianism. I think it represents alot of what is wrong with contemporary culture, and especially America today. It is a major form of weakness, when you allow yourself to be easily offended, and take everything personally. Granted, there are things that can be perceived as offensive, but allowing yourself to be offended by tiny little things people say and do is a bit much! But, the people who are offended daily, by things others say, are just weak, and would benefit by growing thicker skin. Life can be rough and caustic at times, and for those of us who have grown thick skin, it is like water off a ducks back. No big deal, at all. Think what you want to think. It just does not mean anything to those with self esteem, and a sense of who and what they are. Granted, these are just my opinions, and some will take offense to them. LOL. 

The US and the UK are by far the most tolerant countries in the world when it comes to the whole trans, non-binary, amorosexual, decide whatever you want today, if it fits mentality. No other country is as loose, driftless, and as silly as the US.

You mean besides Thailand right, the sex capital of SE Asia?

19 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You mean besides Thailand right, the sex capital of SE Asia?

I know you're American, so a certain degree of prudishness is to be expected, but beyond that inability to wrap your mind around a completely different culture and its ways, we're actually trying to say something with this statement of yours?

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I know you're American, so a certain degree of prudishness is to be expected, but beyond that inability to wrap your mind around a completely different culture and its ways, we're actually trying to say something with this statement of yours?

Just that Thailand has been an accepting country for all types of sex activity for a long time, sex tourism, for 6 decades, including transgender and ladyboys, along with a much more relaxed attitude towards prostitution. Trafficking of humans here is huge, being a big hub of that activity., along with slavery itself. I'm not near a prude but just moral thinking. Allowing people to be used, and profiting from it, isn't what you would call a good thing.The Buddhist culture itself might be more forgiving, but still looks at all of this as immoral and bad karma.

"Woke" originated in African-American Vernacular English (AAVE), evolving from the 1930s or earlier to mean being aware of racial prejudice, discrimination, and social injustice. Originally, "stay woke" was used to alert Black Americans to racist threats, with early usage found in 1938 blues music and later in the 2010s Black Lives Matter movement.

It's devolved to an insult cast by anyone who can't make an actual cogent argument at anyone who says something they don't agree with.

40 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I know you're American, so a certain degree of prudishness is to be expected, but beyond that inability to wrap your mind around a completely different culture and its ways,

Thanks, that sentence is a great example of NOT being woke. You have a little bickering tantrum with one person on an anonymous forum, and you find a way to use that to bash and make sweeping insults to ALL Americans.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Just that Thailand has been an accepting country for all types of sex activity for a long time, sex tourism, for 6 decades, including transgender and ladyboys, along with a much more relaxed attitude towards prostitution. Trafficking of humans here is huge, being a big hub of that activity., along with slavery itself. I'm not near a prude but just moral thinking. Allowing people to be used, and profiting from it, isn't what you would call a good thing.The Buddhist culture itself might be more forgiving, but still looks at all of this as immoral and bad karma.

With all that being said some of us look at a factory owner paying someone 15,000 baht a month to work 50 to 60 hours a week, and then treating them poorly, is immoral and something that Buddha would not approve of.

Thai friends of mine tell me even with the University degree unless one has been smart enough to specialize in a high demand industry, the pay is only about 5,000 baht a month more to start. And yet the amount of time effort and money that it takes to earn a four-year degree is significant.

So you have to look at it through a cultural context and be a little bit more forgiving in one's outlook. For a gal from Issan, who barely has a high school education, the options are very limited here.

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

With all that being said some of us look at a factory owner paying someone 15,000 baht a month to work 50 to 60 hours a week, and then treating them poorly, is immoral and something that Buddha would not approve of.

Thai friends of mine tell me even with the University degree unless one has been smart enough to specialize in a high demand industry, the pay is only about 5,000 baht a month more to start. And yet the amount of time effort and money that it takes to earn a four-year degree is significant.

So you have to look at it through a cultural context and be a little bit more forgiving in one's outlook. For a gal from Issan, who barely has a high school education, the options are very limited here.

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Not the main reason but one reason I'm taking my daughter to the US to live. Better schooling, higher paying jobs, less chance of being molested in school, and a much better chance of finding a husband who will stay, especially after a child is born.

56 minutes ago, ColeBOzbourne said:

Thanks, that sentence is a great example of NOT being woke. You have a little bickering tantrum with one person on an anonymous forum, and you find a way to use that to bash and make sweeping insults to ALL Americans.

I told you I wasn't woke and I don't pretend to be. @fredwiggy and I disagree on a lot of topics but as you can see we treat each other with kindness and respect for the most part. Though there may be a little snarkiness from time to time, it's not highly personal and that makes a big difference. Disagreements on many topics make the world go round, and I find them fascinating and try to be accommodating when it comes to different points of view.

What I said about most Americans being prudish is absolutely true. I see more first-timers to Thailand from America that have a problem with the sex industry than people from any other nation, who tend to be a lot more tolerant and a lot less judgemental.

A lot of Americans have an air of superiority and tend to judge people harshly. That's not a sweeping statement that's just simply truth, and I realize it's not PC, but as an American I think I have the right to state certain truths.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Not the main reason but one reason I'm taking my daughter to the US to live. Better schooling, higher paying jobs, less chance of being molested in school, and a much better chance of finding a husband who will stay, especially after a child is born.

I would consider that to be a fairly accurate assessment.

58 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I told you I wasn't woke and I don't pretend to be. @fredwiggy and I disagree on a lot of topics but as you can see we treat each other with kindness and respect for the most part. Though there may be a little snarkiness from time to time, it's not highly personal and that makes a big difference. Disagreements on many topics make the world go round, and I find them fascinating and try to be accommodating when it comes to different points of view.

@spidermike007 That's the way it should be. You and I disagree with numerous things on the domestic front, but I respect your opinion and the thoughtfulness behind your posts.
Unlike a subset of AN members who wade into a thread to drop slurs, ad-hominid attacks, and just stoke as much chaos as they can by attacking any position or narrative which doesn't fit their narrow, oft-times bigoted, world-view. The worst of these I just put in my ignore list as I can't abide by serial trolls who on a good day use single sentences full of vindictiveness and enmity for one purpose:



However, I do appreciate debate and well constructed points of view, which can sometimes swing me to see things through their eyes. Case in point: Trump being a serial liar. Yeah, I see that now in Panovision and Deluxe Color. In fact his entire cabinet does as well. That's not the way to run a Republic.

@fredwiggy We definitely disagree with what is going on in the ME, but I don't dislike you. You like spidermike007 are at least thoughtful and articulate about your position. I appreciate that.

Georgetta this is a seriously important topic.

A lot of deep thinking required here. Even far more than usual.

You have expanded it from Thailand to all of South East Asia, then narrowed it back to Thailand, then expanded again, then clarified you already expanded it, then asked everyone to stay on topic.

4D level chess, that is.

Very strong structure.

As for people moving because things became “woke”, I think the answer is quite simple.

They probably did not bring enough suitcases of data with them like you always do.

Once you arrive in a new country without proper diary documentation, toothpaste tracking, and high visibility field research, the place can quickly become woke without any warning.

Philippines banning vlogging is a good example.

If there had been more men in sports bars simply wearing hi viz vests, staring at other men while they drink, and recording notes on clipboards, that situation might have been avoided.

Same in Thailand.

If you are not actively out there monitoring graffiti, analysing dental clinic names, and distributing good luck in bookshops, things can drift off course very quickly.

So really it is not about countries becoming woke.

It is about whether enough serious researchers are on the ground keeping everything under control.

You are a good lad and doing your part.

Three suitcases, multiple diaries, statistical oversight, direct communication with CEOs. Note taking and statistical data entries up the wazoo.

That is how you keep a country balanced.

Others just move and complain.

You've got it fully dialed in. Different level entirely.

5 minutes ago, connda said:

@spidermike007 That's the way it should be. You and I disagree with numerous things on the domestic front, but I respect your opinion and the thoughtfulness behind your posts.
Unlike a subset of AN members who wade into a thread to drop slurs, ad-hominid attacks, and just stoke as much chaos as they can by attacking any position or narrative which doesn't fit their narrow, oft-times bigoted, world-view. The worst of these I just put in my ignore list as I can't abide by serial trolls who on a good day use single sentences full of vindictiveness and enmity for one purpose:



However, I do appreciate debate and well constructed points of view, which can sometimes swing me to see things through their eyes. Case in point: Trump being a serial liar. Yeah, I see that now in Panovision and Deluxe Color. In fact his entire cabinet does as well. That's not the way to run a Republic.

@fredwiggy We definitely disagree with what is going on in the ME, but I don't dislike you. You like spidermike007 are at least thoughtful and articulate about your position. I appreciate that.

Agreed. I dislike Trump. and wars, but I don't know any other ways to rid the earth of the maniacs that look at people as cattle to be used. It happens all over, including in the US, and a lot of us see him exactly for what he is, and has done and likely has done, but he's all we have , and hopefully this war ends with Iran's people with something better than before.

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Agreed. I dislike Trump. and wars, but I don't know any other ways to rid the earth of the maniacs that look at people as cattle to be used. It happens all over, including in the US, and a lot of us see him exactly for what he is, and has done and likely has done, but he's all we have , and hopefully this war ends with Iran's people with something better than before.

One can always hope. The Persian people sure deserve a better life.

I am skeptical if it can be forced upon them, but we shall see.

Keep up the good posts. You are a tribute to this forum.

Thailand is the opposite of woke. You can be a guy and wear a dress and have your organs rearanged. Up to you! If someone doesn't like it- up to them! No BS rules about how they are men or pronoun concerns.

9 hours ago, Hummin said:

My take of it straight out of my head

It is like everyone have equal rights to work, do sports, and then suddenly some few minorities should have extra advantages because they are minorities.

AI definition

“Woke” originally meant being alert to injustice, especially racism and discrimination.

Today, people use it in very different ways:

Supportive use: caring about social fairness, equal treatment, and discrimination.

Critical use: a belief that activism has gone too far, especially when people think some groups are being given special treatment rather than equal treatment.

So the definition you wrote is not the original definition. It is more like a critical opinion about what some people call “woke politics.”

A more neutral way to say your sentence would be:

“Some people use ‘woke’ critically to describe policies or attitudes they believe go beyond equal rights and give unfair advantages to certain minority groups.”

White racists simply co-opted the term to Troll minorities. It's as simple as that. Dog whistle politics.

First used perhaps a hundred years ago.

Listen until the end.

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

Thailand is the opposite of woke. You can be a guy and wear a dress and have your organs rearanged. Up to you! If someone doesn't like it- up to them! No BS rules about how they are men or pronoun concerns.

Nonsense...you don't even know what it means.

6 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Agreed. I dislike Trump. and wars, but I don't know any other ways to rid the earth of the maniacs that look at people as cattle to be used. It happens all over, including in the US, and a lot of us see him exactly for what he is, and has done and likely has done, but he's all we have , and hopefully this war ends with Iran's people with something better than before.

Do you think the USA is doing this for Iran's people? I'm literally dumbfounded that you have convinced yourself of this.

Long Answer:

Repressive Tolerence (RT) and Woke

A notion adopted in the first half of the 20th century by the cultural marxist Herbert Marcuse of the Frankfurt School.

Dominant ethnic cultures in the West and Western Civilisation itself can be effectively overthrown by a coalition of oppressed minorities.

And you hold the aggrieved together by a policy of RT which involves championing all minority opinions in minority groups while at the same time excluding and demonizing anything conservative, anything indicative of the dominant ethnocultural group or tradition.

So to be woke is to recognise this binary of power discrepencies in society and then you become a SJW (Social Justice Warrior) who works tirelessly to overcome these social injustices, these power inequities.

And the modern left led by the Democrats and their allies in the mainstream media have been largely successful in holding a coalition of supposedly oppressed minorities together largely by focussing on a supposed enemy common to all oppressed minorities which in our day is of course the white male. And this is where white supremacism and male patriarchy are guilty for every evil under the sun. So with RT as their operating ethic, the mainstream media and the permanent political class refuse to denounce anything said or done in the name of the coalition of the oppressed while at the same time they are hypersensitively denouncing anything and everything the dominant culture does.

Short Answer:

Woke - adj. A state of awareness only achieved by those stupid enough to find injustice in everything but their own behaviour.

10 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Nonsense...you don't even know what it means.

Quite possible. Enlighten me.

I describe woke as a movement to push progressive ideas aggressively on those that don't share those ideals. Thailand doesn't have a movement that pushes progressive ideas on people, hence they aren't woke. Simplistic but the logic works for me :)

I think maybe "woke" is just how Scottish people pronounce "weak".

Maybe I'm wrong, but to move 12 time zones away from home just because somebody wants to define him or herself as a new gender is the epitome of weak.

It doesn't bother me a bit how someone chooses to define him/herself. Up to them. There are a few parts of the so-called woke movement with which I disagree, but none is so egregious that I would lose sleep over them, or decide I must go to the other side of the planet. For example, public bathrooms should change from "Male/Female" to Chimbo/No Chimbo. Everybody wins, nobody feels intimidated. I also like the idea that in some sports, there should be a male and a female division. Here's an example as to why: In 2024 there were more than 2000 high school males in just the USA who ran faster 100 meter times than the Women's Olympic Champion. Kind of unfair to women. Other sports can adjust the way martial arts sports have weight categories, perhaps allowing both male and female. Now if someone like Caitlin Clarke tries out for the Oklahoma Thunder and makes the team, more power to her.

Most of the rest of the folks screaming "WOKE" are just delicate little snowflakes. They ought to cowboy up and just concentrate on their own performance in life. So much of the "Woke" debate stems from the fact that many males fear competition...whether from females or minorities previously held back by racist and misogynist societies. Welcome the competition. Accept the challenge and be the best you can be. Competition against a larger pool raises one's game. Also an issue is that some men think they have the right to define how women should act and behave in a relationship. They call that "traditional", when what they really mean is "control". The need to control stems from the fear of being outshown and out performed, or else lacking the talents to bring things of value to an equal relationship.