30 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Where has this intervention been adjudicated as illegal?

Until you can show a judgement, from a court with jurisdiction, your claim of illegality is a LIE. An intentional falsehood. If and when there is a valid final adjudication I will join you in declaring the action illegal. Until then it is not.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

And one can only hope and pray after the midterms when Trump gets his butt whomped, that the Democrats go after him and Petie. The dream scenario would be that they both ended up in prison, although we know America does not have the fortitude to ever lock up an ex-president. Such a shame. Don richly deserves a cell of his own. Think of what a trophy he would be!

At least Petie might spend some time making some intimate new friends. Perhaps he could even ride a biography - "How I went from being missile man to a receptacle in one short year".

And how about the sons? They seem to be the conduit for billions of dollars worth of presidential corruption.

Like the Thai goverment's greasy visages corruption has a way of warping faces so you can tell what is within their cold, dark,calculating hearts. Whilst people die , and the world stumbles towards chaos these fiends trade every movement. Textbook mobster evil from the Trump crime family.

43 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The Arabs had Israel contained and managed. They didn't need or want the Iranians stirring up turmoil. Iran wants to retain its power and the Arabs want it neutralized once and for all. It's all about who will control the region.

If what you write is valid, then perhaps Egypt and the Gulf states should have acted, rather the Israel and the USA...again.

No one is attacking Egypt. Your statement of Israel being contained and managed by the Arabs is, in my humble opinion, a load of steaming horse dung.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Where has this intervention been adjudicated as illegal?

Until you can show a judgement, from a court with jurisdiction, your claim of illegality is a LIE. An intentional falsehood. If and when there is a valid final adjudication I will join you in declaring the action illegal. Until then it is not.

Adjudication doesn’t decide if an action is illegal.

The law defines the matter.

“Until you can show a judgement, from a court with jurisdiction, your claim of illegality is a LIE. An intentional falsehood. If and when there is a valid final adjudication I will join you in declaring the action illegal. Until then it is not.”

Poppycock

(I’m being polite).

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You will get an indication of the Arab world's position later this week. If there is a general consensus of support for the GCC victims of Iran and a movement of Arab military assets, then you will know. 🫢

And no, I am not making any predictions. There was supposed to be an agreement last week, and it did not materialize, so my takeaway is that the UAE, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are working overtime to build support. Qatar and Oman are the holdouts. My bet is on the Saudis. They are shrewd, experienced and excellent negotiators. IMO, an effective group of foreign diplomats who usually get what they need.

The Saudis may or may not be shrewd experienced negotiators when it comes to negotiating deals for fossil fuels, what evidence is there of their shrewdness elsewhere? And as for being fighters, they got whupped by the Houthis. So it's not at clear that militarily speaking, that they or the other Gulf Arab states constitute a formidable addition to what the US and Israel bring to the table.

18 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

The Saudis may or may not be shrewd experienced negotiators when it comes to negotiating deals for fossil fuels, what evidence is there of their shrewdness elsewhere? And as for being fighters, they got whupped by the Houthis. So it's not at clear that militarily speaking, that they or the other Gulf Arab states constitute a formidable addition to what the US and Israel bring to the table.

Don't forget America got whooped by the Houthis too. Trump made some major threats, and then backed down after less than 2 months. Another TACO by the coward.

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Put your bias aside. The Chaplaincy change was announced months ago and was recommended years ago. Did you read the announcement from last December? The change is not sudden. The Chaplaincy had departed from its specified task into a "self help" and social advocacy format.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/blog/statement-department-wars-strengthening-chaplain-corps

The head of the Chaplaincy wasn't up to the task of delivering chaplaincy services as per the specified mandate. Now someone better capable will do it.

Let's look at it from a slightly different angle, shall we?

Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs General Charles Q. Brown Jr.

Former Head of the Army Chaplain Corp Major General William "Bill" Green

What do these men have in common?

Allow me...

On Thursday Hegseth fired the Army chief of staff, Gen. Randy George, whose term was expected to be four years ending in September 2027. George, the Army’s top officer, was senior military assistant to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin during the Biden administration. George recently asked to meet with Hegseth to discuss Hegseth's blocking of promotions for some Army officers, which seemed to focus on women and Black men, but Hegseth refused to meet or discuss his decisions, according to two additional U.S. officials.

U.S. Senator Chris Coons 

During Holy Week, and for the first time in our nation’s history, Secretary Hegseth fired the head of the Army Chaplain Corps, Major General William Green, without explanation. General Green is a decorated leader who tended to our military’s spiritual health with honor and distinction.

This purge of senior military leaders should alarm every American. With no clear path to ending the war in Iran, experience, and trusted leadership matter more than ever. Instead, Trump and Hegseth are pushing out senior officers for seemingly no valid reason.

Something rotten in the United States...

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure what that’s got to do with the illegal Israeli/US war of aggression against Iran, but I’m sure you’ll imagine something.

The terrorists do not need to comply to any rules or laws

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The terrorists do not need to comply to any rules or laws

What about state terrorism, do you see any consequences ?

34 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The terrorists do not need to comply to any rules or laws

What like the rules against genocide, flattening civilian infrastructure, bombing hospitals, slaughtering ambulance crews, raping prisoners?

Trump had a large serving of TACO on Monday.

https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/energy/article/trump-backs-away-from-seizing-irans-oil-unfortunately-the-american-people-would-like-to-see-us-come-home-201041843.html

Trump backs away from seizing Iran's oil: 'Unfortunately, the American people would like to see us come home'

Amid a day with dozens of threats and escalating rhetoric toward Iran, President Trump took a significant step back on one key issue for energy markets: a US campaign to control Iran’s oil.

“I’d like to take the oil because it’s there for the taking,” the president told reporters at the White House easter egg roll. “Unfortunately, the American people would like to see us come home.”

Monday’s comments — which came between ever-escalating threats to annihilate Iran’s bridges and electric grid as early as Tuesday night — appear to lessen the odds of a potential US operation that energy traders and observers have been watching closely for weeks.

13 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Trump had a large serving of TACO on Monday.

https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/energy/article/trump-backs-away-from-seizing-irans-oil-unfortunately-the-american-people-would-like-to-see-us-come-home-201041843.html

Trump backs away from seizing Iran's oil: 'Unfortunately, the American people would like to see us come home'

Amid a day with dozens of threats and escalating rhetoric toward Iran, President Trump took a significant step back on one key issue for energy markets: a US campaign to control Iran’s oil.

“I’d like to take the oil because it’s there for the taking,” the president told reporters at the White House easter egg roll. “Unfortunately, the American people would like to see us come home.”

Monday’s comments — which came between ever-escalating threats to annihilate Iran’s bridges and electric grid as early as Tuesday night — appear to lessen the odds of a potential US operation that energy traders and observers have been watching closely for weeks.

A tasty TACO for his domestic audience.

The reality of course, being that now the Houthis have entered the war. the whole dynamic has changed. They can attack Saudi oilfields and infrastructure directly and also disrupt traffic on waterways. That, on top of the Strait of Hormuz being controlled, means that the USA and Israel will be fighting on multiple fronts whilst at the same time the global economy will be doubly squeezed. They'll be using up weaponry and interceptors that they cannot quickly replace, together with having their assets tied up in the region.

Snatching the oil was just a wet dream that he's had for decades. Obviously the Iranians planned for such a scenario.

Saudis won't been keen to play with the Houthis again. I guess that has been made all too clear to Trump and Co.

https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/energy/article/trump-backs-away-from-seizing-irans-oil-unfortunately-the-american-people-would-like-to-see-us-come-home-201041843.html

It is official now. TACO verdict one more time.

I agree with my President's advice he now has, bring our men home now before we lose any more.

On 4/6/2026 at 9:12 AM, Patong2021 said:

Israel can't continue its activities without the tacit support of the Arab world

Who is in this 'Arab world' to which you refer?

10 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Who is in this 'Arab world' to which you refer?

Iranians are not Arabs it's like calling Scots English.

2 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Who is in this 'Arab world' to which you refer?

Egypt, Jordan, the GCC except Qatar and probably Oman.

The other North Africans are waiting to see what the GCC does.

On 4/6/2026 at 6:25 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Adjudication doesn’t decide if an action is illegal.

The law defines the matter.

“Until you can show a judgement, from a court with jurisdiction, your claim of illegality is a LIE. An intentional falsehood. If and when there is a valid final adjudication I will join you in declaring the action illegal. Until then it is not.”

Poppycock

(I’m being polite).

Incredible. Have you even the slightest clue as to the legal process and administration of law?

On 4/6/2026 at 5:38 PM, Alan Zweibel said:

The Saudis may or may not be shrewd experienced negotiators when it comes to negotiating deals for fossil fuels, what evidence is there of their shrewdness elsewhere? And as for being fighters, they got whupped by the Houthis. So it's not at clear that militarily speaking, that they or the other Gulf Arab states constitute a formidable addition to what the US and Israel bring to the table.

Should Iran be allowed to continue development of their intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear warhead programs?

On 4/6/2026 at 5:47 AM, Patong2021 said:

It's called psychological pressure, and;

It is also demonstrating an attempt to offer a way out for Iran. All it takes is Iran to say, ok, let's talk and the next step in escalation can be avoided. The USA is fulfilling the legal requirements to show that it made an effort to avoid escalation. Should Iran decline to consider the opportunity for a peaceful resolution, then the USA gets the green light to continue. As a self appointed international law expert, surely, you understand this principle. Trump is being given legal advice on how to proceed.

What about the 48 hour deadline he delivered last week ? that went well.

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Egypt, Jordan, the GCC except Qatar and probably Oman.

The other North Africans are waiting to see what the GCC does.

Do you have any evidence that Egypt is considering involvement other than mediation.

On 4/6/2026 at 1:58 PM, Patong2021 said:

He is getting under their skin. It irks and upsets the Iranians who react viscerally and irrationally, just as his detractors on Asean Now do. It is very old school, typical of the 1980's and 1990's business environment. I worked with people from that era and the pattern is recognizable.

I am not saying it is appropriate or nice, but I recognize the pattern just as I believe many of the world's political leadership who have past experience in business do.

Aren’t you a bit confused there pal it’s trump who reacts viscerally it’s his instinct as a bulley it is his essence.this fiasco was undertaken without benefit of allies or deep thinking of possible consequences….that’s about as visceral as it gets……now here we are with a guy who only knows how to escalate…..here’s a clue that’s not negotiating nor deal making…unfortunately he is what he is and he will taco till he doesn’t and we all will suffer the consequences.he won’t he’s sheltered from it.perilous times.

10 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Do you have any evidence that Egypt is considering involvement other than mediation.

Egypt has been promoting its Joint defence agreement since this situation arose. The Egyptian media has been laying the groundwork for an Egyptian role. https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/145669/Egypt-reaffirms-Gulf-security-ties-calls-for-unified-Arab-defense

Egypt increased its military assets in the red Sea in effect reinforcing the corridor by which Saudi Arabian oil moves. This primarily directed at Yemen. Egypt needs access to to the Israeli and Qatari gas and this conflict has disruped the access.

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Egypt has been promoting its Joint defence agreement since this situation arose. The Egyptian media has been laying the groundwork for an Egyptian role. https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/145669/Egypt-reaffirms-Gulf-security-ties-calls-for-unified-Arab-defense

Egypt increased its military assets in the red Sea in effect reinforcing the corridor by which Saudi Arabian oil moves. This primarily directed at Yemen. Egypt needs access to to the Israeli and Qatari gas and this conflict has disruped the access.

Oh... a seventy five year old initiative... expect nothing. The statements contained within were made more than ten years ago. They also had talks when Israel attacked Qatar recently. Again, nothing.

Even in Yemen, the UAE was pitted against Saudi Arabia.

Well looks like he tacoed after all……wonder how much everyone pays out of pocket for Donald’s drama show?not to mention the people killed and maimed.

On 4/7/2026 at 6:57 PM, Yellowtail said:

Should Iran be allowed to continue development of their intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear warhead programs?

Truce Leaves Questions Over Fate of Iran’s Uranium

President Trump has vowed to stop Tehran from obtaining nuclear weapons, but he has also hinted that the enriched material could stay in Iranian territory.

Even if Iran’s leadership loses access to the material, the country could turn to allies like North Korea for help obtaining a nuclear weapon, ( Brig. Gen. Eran Ortal, a former Israeli military official) noted.

“If the Iranians decide the only thing that will protect the regime is a nuclear weapon, especially after being incapable of defending themselves during the war, they have pathways to that beyond the 440 kilograms,” he said.

“The central question,” he added, “is, ‘What will the determination of the United States and the world be to prevent them from going down that path?”

NYTimes 8 APR 2026 via https://archive.ph/SnJEk#selection-4755.25-4755.83

3 hours ago, JerryM said:

Truce Leaves Questions Over Fate of Iran’s Uranium

President Trump has vowed to stop Tehran from obtaining nuclear weapons, but he has also hinted that the enriched material could stay in Iranian territory.

Even if Iran’s leadership loses access to the material, the country could turn to allies like North Korea for help obtaining a nuclear weapon, ( Brig. Gen. Eran Ortal, a former Israeli military official) noted.

“If the Iranians decide the only thing that will protect the regime is a nuclear weapon, especially after being incapable of defending themselves during the war, they have pathways to that beyond the 440 kilograms,” he said.

“The central question,” he added, “is, ‘What will the determination of the United States and the world be to prevent them from going down that path?”

NYTimes 8 APR 2026 via https://archive.ph/SnJEk#selection-4755.25-4755.83

And?

23 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And?

Hut sut ra,

sat on a willowa,

and a so on, so on, so forth

Hut sut ra, sat on a willowa, and so and so on.