1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Trump already did give them a way out in the form of an ultimatum. It was open the Strait of Hormuz or else it will be the death of Iranian civilization. Remember?Is there now another "else" out there? What would that be? Constructing a new pipeline over the next couple of days?

Wait 2 weeks and see. I have decades to live. Makes no difference to me.

Nah, that train had left the station a long time before the s**t show in the AG started.

10 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Wait 2 weeks and see. I have decades to live. Makes no difference to me.

An ultimatum that was no such thing. Impressive.

On 4/8/2026 at 3:43 PM, Hanaguma said:

Hmmm.... Iran no longer has a functioning navy or air force or army. The regime has been decapitated, apparently now being run by semi-paralyzed gay man in a hospital. Its ability to project terror has been eliminated. The Straits are open again.

But it is early hours. At the end of two weeks, we will know more. Frankly, any deal that leaves the death cult in charge in Iran will be a loss. There is also the chance that a new and secular Iran could be formed and take a place in the world of nations. But in the end, talking is better than bombing.

Yes we blew up their hardware no doubt doubt.with the sanctions they really ever had much of an air force……what it does leave is millions of pi$$ed off Iranians wishing harm to Americans and btw there is no traffic exiting the straights……So naaa you can put all the lipstick on this pig ya want but it’s still a pig.It was a mistake of epic proportions that will be costing money and lives for decades to come…..if there is anything good about this mess is it’s hastening the trump cancers exit from our body politic.

This is sad beyond words. It's incomprehensible to me why such a righteous war, where even gawd is on our side, doesn't unite the MAGA movement behind orange Jaysus!

Can I get a hallelewdya?

'Donald Trump’s ceasefire fails to heal Maga split over Iran war'

https://www.ft.com/content/427187eb-f905-4e1d-bab3-a47decfd73ec

"On Tuesday, as Trump stuck to his threat that a “civilization will die” if Iran refused to concede, rightwing media stars Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly denounced the ultimatum as a betrayal of America First values. By Wednesday morning, the president’s decision to call off massive air strikes and agree a two-week ceasefire had provoked a revolt from loyalists who had supported the US bombing campaign and saw the truce as a capitulation by America to a terrorist regime.

Conservative radio host Mark Levin, who had vociferously backed the attacks, said the 10 points Trump had reportedly accepted from Iran as a basis for negotiations were “an absolute disaster”. Influencer Laura Loomer, one of the loudest cheerleaders for Operation Epic Fury, called the negotiations with Tehran a “failure”, adding that “the Iranian regime has never been more emboldened”."

18 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Trump has not agreed to any of those things. Trump agreed to a ceasefire and talks. It must be hard being as stupid as you.

18 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Trump just announced a 50% tariff on nations arming Iran. Looks like Trump is way smarter than you American hating losers.

I see you've gone full Bignok/Harrisfan mode. Didn't take long.

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

This is sad beyond words. It's incomprehensible to me why such a righteous war, where even gawd is on our side, doesn't unite the MAGA movement behind orange Jaysus!

Can I get a hallelewdya?

'Donald Trump’s ceasefire fails to heal Maga split over Iran war'

https://www.ft.com/content/427187eb-f905-4e1d-bab3-a47decfd73ec

"On Tuesday, as Trump stuck to his threat that a “civilization will die” if Iran refused to concede, rightwing media stars Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly denounced the ultimatum as a betrayal of America First values. By Wednesday morning, the president’s decision to call off massive air strikes and agree a two-week ceasefire had provoked a revolt from loyalists who had supported the US bombing campaign and saw the truce as a capitulation by America to a terrorist regime.

Conservative radio host Mark Levin, who had vociferously backed the attacks, said the 10 points Trump had reportedly accepted from Iran as a basis for negotiations were “an absolute disaster”. Influencer Laura Loomer, one of the loudest cheerleaders for Operation Epic Fury, called the negotiations with Tehran a “failure”, adding that “the Iranian regime has never been more emboldened”."

Trump never accepted those 10 terms. Nobody on either side of politics agrees on everything. The only sad thing is you are wasting your life reading all this crap.

8 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Trump never accepted those 10 terms. Nobody on either side of politics agrees on everything. The only sad thing is you are wasting your life reading all this crap.

Did you know that the term TACO is so completely embedded into the current zeitgeist that they teach the meaning of the term in cultures right across the planet?

This clip is from a Japanese current affairs program explaining in detail what it all means:

6 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Did you know that the term TACO is so completely embedded into the current zeitgeist that they teach the meaning of the term in cultures right across the planet?

This clip is from a Japanese current affairs program explaining in detail what it all means:

It means people with no job or hobbies troll Trump daily. If Vance wins next you will have to troll him

Nobody will employ you. Nobody wants to play sport with Trump trolls.

On 4/7/2026 at 10:01 PM, worgeordie said:

According to reports from the Midas Touch network , Trump 🤡 has basically agreed to

Iran's 10 point plan ,while Iran has rejected Trump's 🤡 15 point plan , and he has agreed

to a 2 week ceasefire , Trump🤡 has capitulated again , the great deal maker* has failed

again . * in his own mind.

regards worgeordie

lol.. you really dont understand how negotiations work

On 4/8/2026 at 5:47 AM, Wingate said:

I've looked for quotes and statements about anyone from Netanyahu to Trump who ever feared Iran's navy or air force. Can't seem to find any. Looking at the map, I also don't think Iran's navy or armed forces were ever a threat to Israel. Have a navy, don't have a navy; it matters little.

Missiles and drones, OTOH, are something that could threaten other countries. Imagine a nuke warhead on an Iranian missile taken out by a Patriot over Tel Aviv. It wouldn't be shrapnel hitting the ground.

Now Iran is still far from enriching uranium to the level required for a working fission device. If they could achieve that, then they would have to design a bomb, and then miniaturize it (as North Korea learned to do during Trump 1.0) so as to fit it on a missile. Five years? Ten years?

Anyway, so far Iran is no farther from developing a bomb than they were on 27 February. They have all the MEU they had on that day, and still have perhaps as much as one half of their missile inventory, per US intelligence.

Now, they are earning much more money selling oil, as the price jumped from $58/bbl to still $96/bbl. Since they don't really need a navy, and still have probably 99% of the soldiers they had on 27 February, they can channel all of their new found wealth into uranium enrichment, bomb and missile development. They can even rightly claim it is for defensive purposes, since it was Iran who was attacked.

Iran still has the groups they funded, too....Hezbollah and the Houthis in Yemen.

Iran will spend the next two weeks assuming talks will fail, so they will fine tune their strategy, shift pieces around the board, decide what targets they will hit when talks fail, and consider even more effective ways to control the Strait, perhaps mining it in the next two weeks.

Like them or not, Iran has to be pretty pleased with how they faced up to, and hosed Trump.

Iran has a long history of using agreements and ceasefires as breathing room to reorganize and preserve leverage.

You say Iran still has proxy assets like Hezbollah and the Houthis. That alone undermines the idea that Iran is somehow restrained or merely acting defensively.

Iran’s regional strategy has long included funding, arming, and directing terrorist groups. So minimizing that record while praising how Iran handled this conflict reads more like advocacy than analysis.

1 hour ago, Rockyroad said:

It means people with no job or hobbies troll Trump daily. If Vance wins next you will have to troll him

Nobody will employ you. Nobody wants to play sport with Trump trolls.

Making it personal. Typical.

On 4/8/2026 at 8:01 PM, Yagoda said:

You lost hahahahahahahahahaha

Keep spinning, keep the ifcomes, better start reading LOL

Iran is still blocking the Strait of Hormuz. And now charging for it. They're betting the Trump is going to do nothing because they know how unpopular the war is in the USA how much Trump dreads losing Congress.

8 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Iran is still blocking the Strait of Hormuz. And now charging for it. They're betting the Trump is going to do nothing because they know how unpopular the war is in the USA how much Trump dreads losing Congress.

Full moon April 17th. Settle it or Kharg is ours.

Some days Trump is a coward, some days hes committing genocide. Enjoy lol, your life is so sadLOL

On 4/8/2026 at 8:46 AM, BLMFem said:

"The Iranians agreed we can come get the dust."

Let me correct that for you:

The Iranians agreed we can come and get turned to dust.

What a sad end to the American empire. It burned brightly for a short while, but compared to other empires through history it was just a flash in the pan.

You really believe Iran could beat the United States?

Iran is clearly weaker in conventional military terms than it was before the war, especially in air defense, naval power, and military industry. Yes, it still has missiles, drones, manpower, proxies, and the ability to create regional chaos. That makes Iran dangerous.

But dangerous is not the same as capable of defeating the U.S. in an all-out conventional war. Iran could make a conflict bloody, expensive, and destabilizing, but the idea that it could bring about the “death of America” — the same slogan its regime has shouted for decades — is fantasy, not strategy.

On 4/8/2026 at 9:00 AM, Alan Zweibel said:

Whenever you engage in name calling, it's a tell that you've got nothing rational to counter with.

Has Iran unconditionally surrendered?

Has the regime has changed?

Has the Uranium has been removed?

I will grant you that the Strait of Hormuz is now open. But not like it was before the war. Iran is now charging ships for passage. But what's more important, it has learned a crucial lesson. Next time Israel or the US attacks, all it has to do is shut down the Strait. And wreak some destruction on its neighbors.

The fact is, this war was politically killing Trump and the Repubicans at home. He punked out. And pushed Iran into launching a new and very formidable weapon.

No, Iran has not surrendered. But who said the negotiations were already over? Talks have just started, and the next two weeks are supposed to decide whether this holds or falls apart.

What is strange is how quickly some people call it an Iranian win just because the regime is still standing and managed to hit back. Surviving is not the same as winning.

Iran still backs terrorist proxies and still relies on disruption and intimidation as strategy. One downed jet and a propaganda moment do not change the larger reality.

23 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Full moon April 17th. Settle it or Kharg is ours.

Absolutely deluded.

6 minutes ago, ericthai said:

You really believe Iran could beat the United States?

Iran is clearly weaker in conventional military terms than it was before the war, especially in air defense, naval power, and military industry. Yes, it still has missiles, drones, manpower, proxies, and the ability to create regional chaos. That makes Iran dangerous.

But dangerous is not the same as capable of defeating the U.S. in an all-out conventional war. Iran could make a conflict bloody, expensive, and destabilizing, but the idea that it could bring about the “death of America” — the same slogan its regime has shouted for decades — is fantasy, not strategy.

Iran bas beaten the United States. No vessel can sail in the Strait of Hormuz without Iranian permission.

Even in America, despite plentiful resources, the pump price of fuel has gone up. Inflation.

Hegseth has asked for another $1.5 trillion for the military. That money is coming out of health and education.

The death of America will come from within. All empires end that way.

Historians consider the reign of Commodus as marking the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

The factors cited are political instability, excessive debt, and an expanded military. Sound familiar?

14 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Absolutely deluded.

So you think if there was no cease fire, we couldnt take it with minimal casualties? Using two Marine MEUs, Special Forces and elements of the 82nd? LOL

Get real.

We should have done it already.

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So you think if there was no cease fire, we couldnt take it with minimal casualties? Using two Marine MEUs, Special Forces and elements of the 82nd? LOL

Get real.

We should have done it already.

Ah, but you haven't done it already.

155 planes, four lost, to rescue one airman. Ha ha ha ha ha.

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ah, but you haven't done it already.

155 planes, four lost, to rescue one airman. Ha ha ha ha ha.

What a sad comment!

I suspect your family would think differently if it was you that had needed rescuing!

5 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ah, but you haven't done it already.

155 planes, four lost, to rescue one airman. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Got it. Equipment matters more than people.

That means 20,000 British soldiers killed on July 1, 1916 were a victory 5555555

5 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

What a sad comment!

I suspect your family would think differently if it was you that had needed rescuing!

Our military did a great job huh

2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

What a sad comment!

I suspect your family would think differently if it was you that had needed rescuing!

I was responding to a MAGA who insisted the US has the greatest fighting force and could take out Iran with a small unit.

I was pointing out his hypocrisy when the rescue of one man required such an over abundance of equipment and such a high loss rate. Hardly a small elite fighting force, more like a giant hammer for the tiniest nail as that is all the US - and MAGA especially - thinks makes a country "tough".

Read again, carefully. I did not say he didn't need rescuing, merely pointing out Yagoda's hypocrisy.

On 4/8/2026 at 9:55 AM, beautifulthailand99 said:

No one cares about the US now under Trump he can do his worse and the world will pivot to more reasonable countries to do business and if it means taking a hit so be it. You can''t reason or negotiate with madman.The Iran ceasefire is being called a “pause.”It’s not. It’s a revelation:The U.S. used overwhelming force and still could not control the outcome.The worls has changed forever.

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No one cares about the U.S.” is just rhetoric, not analysis.

If the U.S. had “lost control,” there would not be a ceasefire at all, and there would not be talks underway now. What actually happened is that the U.S. and Israel inflicted major damage on Iran’s air defenses, weapons production, and naval forces, while Iran still proved it could impose costs through missiles, proxies, and pressure on the Strait of Hormuz.

That does not make this an Iranian victory, and it does not prove the U.S. is finished. It proves that even overwhelming force does not automatically produce a clean political outcome in a region this complicated. America is still powerful enough to hit hard, still has major forces in the region, and has already said it is ready to resume fighting if diplomacy fails.

So no, this did not reveal the “end of America.” It revealed something far less dramatic and far more real: Iran is still dangerous, but also badly weakened, and the final outcome has not been decided yet.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Iran bas beaten the United States. No vessel can sail in the Strait of Hormuz without Iranian permission.

Even in America, despite plentiful resources, the pump price of fuel has gone up. Inflation.

Hegseth has asked for another $1.5 trillion for the military. That money is coming out of health and education.

The death of America will come from within. All empires end that way.

Historians consider the reign of Commodus as marking the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

The factors cited are political instability, excessive debt, and an expanded military. Sound familiar?

Iran proved it can cause pain. It did not prove it can defeat the United States.

Right now Tehran has leverage over the Strait and that has pushed fuel prices higher, but even Reuters describes this as a fragile ceasefire with unresolved talks, not some final Iranian triumph. Iran still took major damage, its economy is battered, and the biggest issues — missiles, enrichment, and freedom of navigation — are still unsettled.

So call it what it is: Iran showed it can impose costs and create chaos. That is dangerous. But “beating America” is a very different claim, and the facts do not support it.

1 hour ago, ericthai said:

You really believe Iran could beat the United States?

Iran is clearly weaker in conventional military terms than it was before the war, especially in air defense, naval power, and military industry. Yes, it still has missiles, drones, manpower, proxies, and the ability to create regional chaos. That makes Iran dangerous.

But dangerous is not the same as capable of defeating the U.S. in an all-out conventional war. Iran could make a conflict bloody, expensive, and destabilizing, but the idea that it could bring about the “death of America” — the same slogan its regime has shouted for decades — is fantasy, not strategy.

What you don't understand about asymmetrical war is that the weaker party can win by not losing.

13 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

What you don't understand about asymmetrical war is that the weaker party can win by not losing.

There is some truth in that: in asymmetric war, the weaker side can sometimes win by avoiding decisive defeat.

But that does not mean Iran “beat” the U.S. What it means is that Iran survived, retained leverage in places like Hormuz, and helped turn a military fight into a messy political one.

At the same time, it also suffered major military and infrastructure damage, and the ceasefire now in place is only a temporary one with talks just starting.

So sure, asymmetrical war is real. But “still standing” and “actually winning” are not always the same thing.

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Ah, but you haven't done it already.

155 planes, four lost, to rescue one airman. Ha ha ha ha ha.

You are mocking the fact that the U.S. used major resources to rescue one downed airman.

Exactly! The US doesn't treat our troops as disposable. Reuters and AP both describe it as a high-risk rescue under fire that succeeded in bringing him home.

So your “gotcha” is what, exactly? That America values its soldiers enough to go back for them?

That is not the insult you think it is. That is the standard other militaries fail to meet.

If the Yanks think there greatest military outfit in the world with the best Equitment in the World why didn't they March in and take Tehran and defeat the IRGC with boots on the ground.