27 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

a Waitrose Employee was sacked last week after 17 yrs service for trying to stop a shoplifter.

Yep totally crazy..I do wonder if they will go bankrupt over this stupid decision seems everyone and his dog will just go steal everything ?

30 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Drug Dealers are laughing at Starmer when he allowed them to serve a third of there sentance with there mates turning up in there Lambo's and Ferari's waiting to pick them up at the doors of prisons, a Waitrose Employee was sacked last week after 17 yrs service for trying to stop a shoplifter.

As it should be, starving people need bread!

Meanwhile, the orange buffoon would be jailing and or deporting people for attempting to feed their children and improve their lives!!!!

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Yep totally crazy..I do wonder if they will go bankrupt over this stupid decision seems everyone and his dog will just go steal everything ?

Shoplifting is only illegal because the rich do not need to shop lift!

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

As it should be, starving people need bread!

Meanwhile, the orange buffoon would be jailing and or deporting people for attempting to feed their children and improve their lives!!!!

The thief in question was stealing chocolate easter eggs, so presumably not starving,

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

The thief in question was stealing chocolate easter eggs, so presumably not starving,

You would deny children chocolate eggs on Easter because their father does not look like you?

You MAGAs disgust me!

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Shoplifting is only illegal because the rich do not need to shop lift!

research has shown that the overwhelming majority of those those caught shoplifting actually have enough money on them to pay for what they have stolen. The term "shoplifting" should be banned lets call it what it is , "Theft" and those that do it ? well lets just call them thieves,

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You would deny children chocolate eggs on Easter because their father does not look like you?

You MAGAs disgust me!

Surely it's a black & white issue.

No grey areas.🙃🙃

18 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The poor hard-working immigrants are only doing jobs the fat, lazy Brits won't do!!!

Sounds familiar?🙃🙃

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You would deny children chocolate eggs on Easter because their father does not look like you?

You MAGAs disgust me!

I don't care whether their father looks anything like me or not , no stolen eggs at Easter for the urchins, and no presents at Christmas either, infact come new year I would deport them and their families too. They could be sent to Palestine, I heard there was a bit of a shortage of kids there

34 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Shoplifting is only illegal because the rich do not need to shop lift!

The poor don't need to steal either, there are food banks and charity shops to help them out

14 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Orders were placed to build 12 Type 45 destroyers but the Tory Government slashed it down to six. Our once mighty Royal Navy was decimated by Tory defence cuts so Starmer realy isn't to blame.

Fair comment- history does not show the Tories in a good light in relation to Defence spending, for all their tough talking

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Drug Dealers are laughing at Starmer when he allowed them to serve a third of there sentance with there mates turning up in there Lambo's and Ferari's waiting to pick them up at the doors of prisons

Ah, Starmer didn't immediately magic up more prisons on coming to power. He said he was angry and disgusted that he had to take action but the prisons were literally overflowing and drastic action had to be taken. And generally offenders are released after 50%. He reduced it to 40%, hardly earth shattering. You can blame the Tories for not investing in prisons and Rishi Sunak sitting and watching despite being advised it needed to be done.

"I've spent five years prosecuting and putting people in prison. And being forced to release people who should be in prison makes me angry."

"To be put into a position where it's a choice because prisons are so overcrowded that it's a release scheme the likes of which we had to go down, or a point where the police say we cannot carry out our basic functions, is not a position I should have been put in."

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-angry-to-see-prisoners-popping-champagne-after-their-early-release-13216474#:~:text=Politics%20latest:%20Starmer%20won't,not%20among%20those%20being%20released.&text=Video%20Player%20is%20loading.

Why don't you tell us what you would have done Barra? Easy to criticise. So what would have been the best solution? All the facts are in the article to enable you to make a judgement - what would Barra have done?

a Waitrose Employee was sacked last week after 17 yrs service for trying to stop a shoplifter.

Starmer is in charge of Waitrose now?

18 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The poor hard-working immigrants are only doing jobs the fat, lazy Brits won't do!!!

Well i guess somebody has to impregnate the fat lazy council estate slags, how else would they be able to claim the maximum benefits available, and secure a place on the (council) housing ladder without their illegitimate offspring

Now that the 2 kid limit has been done away with there is a lot of work opening up, ( along with their legs) its a tough thankless job but somebody has to do it,

47 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

As it should be, starving people need bread!

Meanwhile, the orange buffoon would be jailing and or deporting people for attempting to feed their children and improve their lives!!!!

Why have you got to bring Trump into every thread you join in Yellowtail.

5 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ah, Starmer didn't immediately magic up more prisons on coming to power. He said he was angry and disgusted that he had to take action but the prisons were literally overflowing and drastic action had to be taken. And generally offenders are released after 50%. He reduced it to 40%, hardly earth shattering. You can blame the Tories for not investing in prisons and Rishi Sunak sitting and watching despite being advised it needed to be done.

"I've spent five years prosecuting and putting people in prison. And being forced to release people who should be in prison makes me angry."

"To be put into a position where it's a choice because prisons are so overcrowded that it's a release scheme the likes of which we had to go down, or a point where the police say we cannot carry out our basic functions, is not a position I should have been put in."

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-angry-to-see-prisoners-popping-champagne-after-their-early-release-13216474#:~:text=Politics%20latest:%20Starmer%20won't,not%20among%20those%20being%20released.&text=Video%20Player%20is%20loading.

Why don't you tell us what you would have done Barra? Easy to criticise. So what would have been the best solution? All the facts are in the article to enable you to make a judgement - what would Barra have done?

Starmer is in charge of Waitrose now?

I will throw it back to you bloggy would you be ok letting a burgler off that entered your house and stole items from you.

7 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

I will throw it back to you bloggy would you be ok letting a burgler off that entered your house and stole items from you.

No, I wouldn't be happy about it, especially if he was celebrating outside the prison. Starmer was certainly not happy about it as he said. But let's not exaggerate too much, it's cutting terms down by 10%.

In an ideal world the Tories wouldn't have left the prison service to rot, we would have ample capacity and all convicts could serve their fair terms.

The alternative was literally no room in prisons for police to make arrests and do their jobs.

Back to you Bazza, what would you have done in his shoes?

18 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Keir supports the ceasefire and it is good he wants to talk.

I hope no-one asks him a question because he will just answer with a load of bo/lox and change the subject. The man's a tw@t. And I use the term man very loosely

When there are too many "homeless", the left can't do or spend enough house them.

When there are too many prisoners, the left just wants to let them go.

MUKGA!

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No, I wouldn't be happy about it, especially if he was celebrating outside the prison. Starmer was certainly not happy about it as he said. But let's not exaggerate too much, it's cutting terms down by 10%.

In an ideal world the Tories wouldn't have left the prison service to rot, we would have ample capacity and all convicts could serve their fair terms.

The alternative was literally no room in prisons for police to make arrests and do their jobs.

Back to you Bazza, what would you have done in his shoes?

Keep them locked up till there time was done anywhere secure an old Military base would do or a floating barge if it was not let go or even if needs most a obsolete roll on roll off ferry.

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

Keep them locked up till there time was done anywhere secure an old Military base would do or a floating barge if it was not let go or even if needs most a obsolete roll on roll off ferry.

They have tried that prior to two tier getting into power but he/his left wing lawyer friends stopped all of those actions when they were tried.

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

They have tried that prior to two tier getting into power but he/his left wing lawyer friends stopped all of those actions when they were tried.

Thats the problem Scottie we can't even deport rapists and drug suppliers due to Starmer. One druggie father from Albania won his deportation because his son wouldn't be able to get his chicken nuggets ffs.

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Thats the problem Scottie we can't even deport rapists and drug suppliers due to Starmer. One druggie father from Albania won his deportation because his son wouldn't be able to get his chicken nuggets ffs.

I totally agree!

The "Bibby Stockholm" (floating accommodation barge fiasco) is a classic example of the "Do Good" left wing civil liberties lawyers etc ruining, not just the UK but, many democracies around the world!

5 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Keep them locked up till there time was done anywhere secure an old Military base would do or a floating barge if it was not let go or even if needs most a obsolete roll on roll off ferry.

That simple, huh? Sadly not.

You need secure perimeters, cells, surveillance systems, segregation units, medical facilities, etc. Military bases would need it all to be built and installed. Months and months, and £££. Meanwhile the prisons are full and police can't do their duties.

Also prisoners must be held in facilities that meet specific legal standards. You can't just bung them anywhere.

And due to the Tory neglect there are no spare prison staff. So they would need to be recruited, trained, paid to operate these converted military bases which may take a couple of years to convert anyway.

And for a floating barge like the Bibby Stockholm? Again it is not a prison. It doesn't meet legal or security requirements for a prison. And there are no prison staff. Not only that it holds a few hundred people, whereas we needed to create thousands of spaces almost immediately.

So, sounds good, easy to say, but doesn't stand up in reality. Which is why it wasn't done. It was a problem that needed an immediate solution, not one that would take months or years to implement and just push the can down the road.

In times of need needs must. I want them secure and away not sat in his plush cell playing on his X-Box and watching TV all day while awaiting there Cocaine drugs flown in on a Drone. Who cares about there liberties they lost that when they killed raped and stole things they never worked for.

3 hours ago, bannork said:

Nonsense. We've had far worse- Liz Truss, Margaret Thatcher, Neville Chamberlain....

What is actually remarkable is that two formerly great nations - the UK and the USA - have both got their worst leaders ever at the same time! 😉

2 minutes ago, IsaanT said:

What is actually remarkable is that two formerly great nations - the UK and the USA - have both got their worst leaders ever at the same time! 😉

Not true. Joe Biden was President when Liz Truss was PM.

16 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

In times of need needs must. I want them secure and away not sat in his plush cell playing on his X-Box and watching TV all day while awaiting there Cocaine drugs flown in on a Drone. Who cares about there liberties they lost that when they killed raped and stole things they never worked for.

Rapists, murderers and violent criminals were excluded from early release as I am sure you know. It was low level crimes, people deemed to be low risk or near the end of their sentences - it is how early releases have always worked. Nice screeching of cliches though.

And nice to know you don't think a society should be based on laws and regulations. You can't just go "let's ignore the legal system today because I have decided needs must and I'm going to throw a bunch of prisoners on a completely unsecure boat, with no trained guards, no locking cells, no security systems, no medical facilities, no surveillance, no hygiene" . It is not how the UK or any other civilised society works. And what happens when violent criminals escape because you just threw them on an unsecure boat?

Again, it's easy to shout and complain, less easy to find practical solutions. It's why you listen to foghorns like Farage who just shout about things but have absolutely no practical solutions, because that takes thought, effort, planning and foresight. Let's just shout about things and find a scapegoat I don't like - that's easy.

I agree with you that it shouldn't have had to happen, prisoners should serve their terms, the prison system should not have been run in to the ground over the last decade or so. But it was, and we needed a real, practical, legal way to ease an immediate crisis. And that's what happened.

50 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Thats the problem Scottie we can't even deport rapists and drug suppliers due to Starmer. One druggie father from Albania won his deportation because his son wouldn't be able to get his chicken nuggets ffs.

Oh come on Bazza, even for you this is riduclous.

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/a-useful-political-scapegoat-how-human-rights-play-out-in-the-uk?utm_source=chatgpt.com

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

It was low level crimes, people deemed to be low risk or near the end of their sentences - it is how early releases have always worked. Nice screeching of cliches though.

How many reoffended within a year?

And if the UK is anything like the US, 90% of the people are in jail for much less serious than what they actually committed, because they plea to a lessor charge.