36 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

some of the fancy buddhist temples in thailand have plenty of gold.

i don't see anybody complaining about that.

Weird

7 hours ago, KhunLA said:

My reference is to direct USA involvement with Iran.

Israel will continue their never ending land grabs for the expansionist zionist. Why not, the do what ever they without consequences.

Hopefully Iran has a nuke hidden somewhere. One can only hope.

Do you really hope they do?

14 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Sure. We should all be mentally healthy like Donald Trump and company who didn't envisage that Iran would actually shut the Strait of Hormuz or launch attacks on the infrastructure of its neighbors.

But most of us only understand 2% of geopolitics.

Some of us 0%.

Try reading this. Maybe you will then reach 2.5% understanding.

Too many complex factors going back hundreds of years to understand why these wars are taking place.

Also way too many shadowy stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

So we cannot judge whether a war is justified or not.

We don't have all the information.

No one even knows why Iran became so radicalized. The article below provides some clues.

So if Iran was being sucked dry by Britain, is Trump planning to do the same now that he controls the Strait? That's not what he's saying. Why would he openly say that he wants Iran to rebuild?

Let's see what happens. Iran may be better off eventually because of this. Who knows?

https://www.theglobalist.com/britains-dark-shadow-iran/

In the years following World War II, Iran was a devastated country barely recovering from famine and starvation and subsisting on meager U.S. handouts.

Ironically, Iran was also a wealthy country with ample oil reserves that were fueling the engines of the British Empire. Much of Iran’s oil was controlled by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), whose majority shareholder was the British government.

Sucking Iran dry

By 1950, the AIOC’s annual profits from Iranian oil amounted to 200 million pounds, while Iran’s share of the revenues was a mere 16 million.

But the imperial arrogance of the British government and the rapacious nature of the AIOC had inexorably radicalized Iranian politics.

At a time when the U.S. oil firms were offering 50-50 profit-sharing deals to the governments of Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, Iran perceived that it could demand no less.

13 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Do you really hope they do?

Hell yea, as it would end USA involvement in the M.E.

Big win for the US tax payer. Not so much for Israel 😄

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Bad news for you.

Elon Musk is predicting 2 consecutive terms by JD Vance, not one.

Elon Musk? The guy who said we would have humans on Mars in 2024?😆

3 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Elon Musk? The guy who said we would have humans on Mars in 2024?😆

Millions said Trump was going to jail. You were probably one of them. At least Vance and Musk have respectable jobs. What have you ever done in life?

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

But most of us only understand 2% of geopolitics.

Some of us 0%.

Try reading this. Maybe you will then reach 2.5% understanding.

Too many complex factors going back hundreds of years to understand why these wars are taking place.

Also way too many shadowy stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

So we cannot judge whether a war is justified or not.

We don't have all the information.

No one even knows why Iran became so radicalized. The article below provides some clues.

So if Iran was being sucked dry by Britain, is Trump planning to do the same now that he controls the Strait? That's not what he's saying. Why would he openly say that he wants Iran to rebuild?

Let's see what happens. Iran may be better off eventually because of this. Who knows?

https://www.theglobalist.com/britains-dark-shadow-iran/

In the years following World War II, Iran was a devastated country barely recovering from famine and starvation and subsisting on meager U.S. handouts.

Ironically, Iran was also a wealthy country with ample oil reserves that were fueling the engines of the British Empire. Much of Iran’s oil was controlled by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), whose majority shareholder was the British government.

Sucking Iran dry

By 1950, the AIOC’s annual profits from Iranian oil amounted to 200 million pounds, while Iran’s share of the revenues was a mere 16 million.

But the imperial arrogance of the British government and the rapacious nature of the AIOC had inexorably radicalized Iranian politics.

At a time when the U.S. oil firms were offering 50-50 profit-sharing deals to the governments of Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, Iran perceived that it could demand no less.

What does this have to do with the fact that Trump was warned about what I ran would likely do? If you threaten that regime with extinction they'll do whatever it takes to survive.

And then he believed netanyahu when he was told by him that the Iranian people would rise up and revolt once the top level of the government was decapitated.

34 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

What does this have to do with the fact that Trump was warned about what I ran would likely do? If you threaten that regime with extinction they'll do whatever it takes to survive.

I dont think theyre all a bunch of idiots.

They factored that into the equation.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

I dont think theyre all a bunch of idiots.

They factored that into the equation.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

I dont think theyre all a bunch of idiots.

They factored that into the equation.

Read the news. Trump was warned and he rejected it. Instead he believed netanyahu.

1 hour ago, Rockyroad said:

What have you ever done in life?

What have you ever done in life apart from sit in your basement and change your AN ID every time you are barred and make the same repetitive asinine and insulting posts?

Trump already promised "the golden age" for the US when he is in charge.

A few months ago I was told here - give him some time. He always delivers his promises.

Yep. Economy is doing great. And geez, the gas prices are so low. Inflation - nah - doesent exist.

And his "Board of Peace" to manage postwar Gaza reconstruction, security, and humanitarian aid is really astonishing.

Golden age happened also in the White House - it looks so beeeeutifull.

USA - Quo vadis?

Nothing golden. Nowhere.

3 hours ago, Schoggibueb said:

Golden age happened also in the White House - it looks so beeeeutifull.

there was a rainbow over the white house.

what else do you want?

9 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Hell yea, as it would end USA involvement in the M.E.

Big win for the US tax payer. Not so much for Israel 😄

Nonsense. It would be WW3 using nukes.

The golden age in the middle east in fact has just ended. International trust has crashed down like a house of cards. Looks that the butox junkies and posers of Dubai would need to find another playground. Swiss banks are already piling up many of the top clients who are already sneaking out their money from the Gulf states.

Trump is to peace what Madonna was to chastity!

19 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You are so intent on blaming one group of people, that you are blind to iran's history of deceit and role as a state sponsor of terrorism.

I don't know what it is about Asean Now that it attracts so many mentally ill people. I think it is time to start a thread on the subject.

Some deflect primarily out of hatred of Trump. dismissing all Iran's regime has done for the last 5 decades up until a week ago, killing thousands of protestors. Easy to find how many Iranians are supporting the war and the elimination of it's regime by looking on FB and seeing all the videos from the Iranians themselves , both in Iran and in many other countries.

More like a golden shower by the look of this cluster🤔

16 hours ago, save the frogs said:

A bit off-topic, but I don't want to start another thread.

(Partial) Tweet by John Konrad -- not exactly sure who this guy is ... he was in the Navy maybe?

Kool aid Konrad forgets why Europe needed a rebuild ! And it was not/ is not free .The US boot is still firmly planted in a lot of locations originally to divert primary aggression from US mainland. That strategy has perished with the advent of prolific nuclear ICBM arsenals with global distributions rendering NATO an expensive but fading old boys club.

21 hours ago, CallumWK said:

Thanks for deflecting, I hadn't expected anything else from you. The point is that Israel breached the conditions of the ceasefire already in the first 5 hours, and is still breaching it.

This is entering "conspiracy land", but is Trump deliberately throwing Israel under the bus?

Crazy thought, but we all know Trump moves in 6 directions at the same time.

How can 2 allies start a war and then 2 weeks in have different views on how to continue it? You'd think they would have agreed on a detailed plan before starting the war. Maybe Trump gave Israel the impression he would back them to the very end .... and now they will get the short end of the stick.

3 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Nonsense. It would be WW3 using nukes.

Israel's last option is "The Samson Option", which is use all the nukes in their arsenal and take themselves down along with everyone else around them.

16 hours ago, save the frogs said:

A bit off-topic, but I don't want to start another thread.

(Partial) Tweet by John Konrad -- not exactly sure who this guy is ... he was in the Navy maybe?

American arrogance.

31 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

How can 2 allies start a war and then 2 weeks in have different views on how to continue it?

Because there was never a US plan. Israel was going to attack, so the US joined out of fear for repercussions on tgem. Israel has a plan, US let itself get forced into this and is now desperately trying to find a way out. A way out that doesn't exist as long as Israel is let free to do as it pleases.

50 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

This is entering "conspiracy land", but is Trump deliberately throwing Israel under the bus?

Crazy thought, but we all know Trump moves in 6 directions at the same time.

How can 2 allies start a war and then 2 weeks in have different views on how to continue it? You'd think they would have agreed on a detailed plan before starting the war. Maybe Trump gave Israel the impression he would back them to the very end .... and now they will get the short end of the stick.

Naah, you can't be that dumb, you just want to continue with your usual bait

21 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Hopefully Iran has a nuke hidden somewhere. One can only hope.

You are just highlighting the unhinged worthlessness of all you post.

4 minutes ago, Palatus said:

You are just highlighting the unhinged worthlessness of all you post.

Hard to believe someone actually asked if I was serious. Nuke 10M for world peace, why not

People that vote & complain are the problem. The answer is simple, but stupid people can't see what's right in front of them.

Too blind to look in the mirror, as you'll see the problem & the solution.

Hint ... ranting on the forum 24/7 isn't solving anything.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

This is entering "conspiracy land", but is Trump deliberately throwing Israel under the bus?

Crazy thought, but we all know Trump moves in 6 directions at the same time.

How can 2 allies start a war and then 2 weeks in have different views on how to continue it? You'd think they would have agreed on a detailed plan before starting the war. Maybe Trump gave Israel the impression he would back them to the very end .... and now they will get the short end of the stick.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Both have some of the same motives but different ones also.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

This is entering "conspiracy land", but is Trump deliberately throwing Israel under the bus?

Crazy thought, but we all know Trump moves in 6 directions at the same time.

How can 2 allies start a war and then 2 weeks in have different views on how to continue it? You'd think they would have agreed on a detailed plan before starting the war. Maybe Trump gave Israel the impression he would back them to the very end .... and now they will get the short end of the stick.

No one has been thrown under the bus, yet.

Hezbollah made clear from the start that it had not accepted the ceasefire. Even media outlets such as the Guardian, will only write that Hezbollah had only "signalled" its willingness to participate in a ceasefire. Israel was not consulted on a ceasefire.

The good news is that Lebanon and Israel are willing to talk. Hezbollah does not want that to occur because it will result in the disarming of Hezbollah and its removal from the south. Iran wants Israel and the USA to have a dispute, so it is certain Hezbollah will continue launching missiles as it relocates its command and control centers into areas where it previously was not present. I think that we will see Israel suspend its attacks in Lebanon in the next few days if not sooner if it means that talks with Lebanon proceed. An agreement with Lebanon is far more important than pursuing Hezbollah now.

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

No one has been thrown under the bus, yet.

Hezbollah made clear from the start that it had not accepted the ceasefire. Even media outlets such as the Guardian, will only write that Hezbollah had only "signalled" its willingness to participate in a ceasefire. Israel was not consulted on a ceasefire.

The good news is that Lebanon and Israel are willing to talk. Hezbollah does not want that to occur because it will result in the disarming of Hezbollah and its removal from the south. Iran wants Israel and the USA to have a dispute, so it is certain Hezbollah will continue launching missiles as it relocates its command and control centers into areas where it previously was not present. I think that we will see Israel suspend its attacks in Lebanon in the next few days if not sooner if it means that talks with Lebanon proceed. An agreement with Lebanon is far more important than pursuing Hezbollah now.

Hez, hamas, Iran gov't, Israel are nothing but terrorist groups, and ceasefire isn't in their vocabulary. They dish out and or support terror worldwide. Probably includes ALL NATO member countries, directly or indirectly.

The rest of the world, citizens of, simply cowers to them out of fear, or ignorant inability to deal with them.

Since it's profitable for all involved, nobody that says they care, does anything about it. Except accept & worse of all, finance it. Your taxes working hard to make the world a better, safer place.

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Hez, hamas, Iran gov't, Israel are nothing but terrorist groups, and ceasefire isn't in their vocabulary. They dish out and or support terror worldwide. Probably includes ALL NATO member countries, directly or indirectly.

The rest of the world, citizens of, simply cowers to them out of fear, or ignorant inability to deal with them.

Since it's profitable for all involved, nobody that says they care, does anything about it. Except accept & worse of all, finance it. Your taxes working hard to make the world a better, safer place.

Feel better? Empowered? You go girl.

Just typical American rhetoric with regard to democracy building, which has failed nearly every single time it has been attempted by America. Utter tripe, and complete nonsense by desperate minds with no talent or skill, who are trying to justify the expenditure of trillions to benefit the defense industry and to annihilate foreign cultures, that are not pure white bread.