2 hours ago, Callmeishmael said:

The US Jewish vote has always been split between conservative pro-business groups and more socially liberal groups. The real pro-Israel vote is the far-right Evangelical Christians which is a huge voting block. They believe that the rise of Israel and conflict in the middle-east is a sign that the end times of the book of Revelations is coming and big daddy Jesus will come soon to smite the godless liberals and take the 'good folks' to heaven.

American Jews continue to be the most democratic party demographic except for blacks and gays. Split implies 50 50. Nope but only a tiny percentage of the population.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I might say the same, in fact I do.

You can lead a horse to water. I give up on you

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You can lead a horse to water. I give up on you

Please forgive me for holding and respectfully expressing different views than your own.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

American Jews continue to be the most democratic party demographic except for blacks and gays. Split implies 50 50. Nope but only a tiny percentage of the population.

Suicidal empathy.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Please forgive me for holding and respectfully expressing different views than your own.

No tolerance for Jew haters or apologists

You clearly are sympathetic to politicians who don't stop at criticism of Israel but rather clearly exploit the rich vein of always existing Jew hatred for political gain.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tucker-carlson-antisemite-of-the-year-b2888809.html

Tucker Carlson named ‘Antisemite of the Year’ by Jewish civil rights group

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Joe Sommerlad

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I made absolutely no such suggestion.

What triggered you to make that outrageous and baseless accusation (against me)?

Note, your need to make the ‘Antisemitism’ slur is not evidence of anything other than your own personal mode of discourse.

It did sounds very much like you were suggestiing that Israel were responsbile for the killing of CK .

Well . Do you think that Israel was responsible for the killing of CK ?

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No tolerance for Jew haters or apologists

You clearly are sympathetic to politicians who don't stop at criticism of Israel but rather clearly exploit the rich vein of always existing Jew hatred for political gain.

There you go with your baseless ‘Jew hating’ slur, take it up with ‘Jew haters’ by all means but leave me out of it.

I have no sympathies for any of the extreme rightwing politicians and rightwing commentators discussed in this thread.

I am however able to park my distaste of their political views, and outrage mongering, long enough to observe that they are reflecting a change in the broader public discourse wrt to Israel and the Pro-Israel lobby over US politics and foreign/military policy.

I believe this will be a central issue in the next election, feel free to argue against that point of view rather than try to shut it down with your baseless slurs.

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No tolerance for Jew haters or apologists

You clearly are sympathetic to politicians who don't stop at criticism of Israel but rather clearly exploit the rich vein of always existing Jew hatred for political gain.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tucker-carlson-antisemite-of-the-year-b2888809.html

Tucker Carlson named ‘Antisemite of the Year’ by Jewish civil rights group

Conservative broadcaster accused of ‘divisive, hateful, and dangerous rhetoric’ by StopAntisemitism

Joe Sommerlad

Yet you'll vote for an antisemite (like Obama) if the choice is between a Democrat and a Republican.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go with your baseless ‘Jew hating’ slur, take it up with ‘Jew haters’ by all means but leave me out of it.

I have no sympathies for any of the extreme rightwing politicians and rightwing commentators discussed in this thread.

I am however able to park my distaste of their political views, and outrage mongering, long enough to observe that they are reflecting a change in the broader public discourse wrt to Israel and the Pro-Israel lobby over US politics and foreign/military policy.

I believe this will be a central issue in the next election, feel free to argue against that point of view rather than try to shut it down with your baseless slurs.

Garbage lying gaslighting.

You have promoted Tucker Carlson here.

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It did sounds very much like you were suggestiing that Israel were responsbile for the killing of CK .

Well . Do you think that Israel was responsible for the killing of CK ?

Nothing I said can reasonably be construed as blaming anyone for a death I did not mention and will not discuss.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing I said can reasonably be construed as blaming anyone for a death I did not mention and will not discuss.

Right

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Garbage lying gaslighting.

You have promoted Tucker Carlson here.

I have not promoted Tucker Carlson here.

Your resort to the invective doesn’t make it so.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I have not promoted Tucker Carlson here.

Your resort to the invective doesn’t make it so.

Gaslight on.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Right

Yep, like I said, all those right-wingers expressing views you now wish to dump on the left.

Not Left, Right and always were Right.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Gaslight on.

Feel free to to switch it off and actually try to engage the points I’ve made.

On 4/9/2026 at 12:15 PM, scottiejohn said:

Since Trump has NO charisma it says a lot, or not, about Carlson!

Might as well try it. The Yanks once had a Hollywood star as a President.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing I said can reasonably be construed as blaming anyone for a death I did not mention and will not discuss.

You could clarify your position by just answering the question .

Do you think that Israel was responsible for the killing of CK ?

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You could clarify your position by just answering the question .

Do you think that Israel was responsible for the killing of CK ?

My position remains what it has been since the news of Charlie Kirk’s killing:

I hope they catch Charlie Kirk’s killer.

On 4/9/2026 at 7:14 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

In return I recommend you listen to Carlson and a few others on the far right, their views are gaining traction within rightwing politics and they are very dangerous to the viability of Israel.

Thanks for recommendation, I will give Tucker Carlson a listen , see what hes been saying

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Thanks for recommendation, I will give Tucker Carlson a listen , see what hes been saying

Having been discussing him and what he says for days.

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Having been discussing him and what he says for days.

Incorrect claim there .

I haven't actually been discussing what hes been saying , not for a few days, a few weeks or at all .

You are just deflecting from your "I havent been promoting him"claim

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yep, like I said, all those right-wingers expressing views you now wish to dump on the left.

Not Left, Right and always were Right.

I've dumped nothing on the left. I only pointed how once despised right-wingers are embraced by the left, the moment they denounce Israel and or Trump.

The right seems to be denouncing Carlson from what I see.

Oh no, say it ain't so!

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13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I've dumped nothing on the left. I only pointed how once despised right-wingers are embraced by the left, the moment they denounce Israel and or Trump.

The right seems to be denouncing Carlson from what I see.

I’m not sure who you think is ‘embracing Carlson’

Maybe some on the right are denouncing Carlson, certainly not all.

5 hours ago, Callmeishmael said:

The US Jewish vote has always been split between conservative pro-business groups and more socially liberal groups. The real pro-Israel vote is the far-right Evangelical Christians which is a huge voting block. They believe that the rise of Israel and conflict in the middle-east is a sign that the end times of the book of Revelations is coming and big daddy Jesus will come soon to smite the godless liberals and take the 'good folks' to heaven.

Was that why Trump had that laughable 'laying of hands' photo op with the Jesus freaks in the Oval Office a few weeks back when the war started looked like running late?

On 4/12/2026 at 2:22 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing I said can reasonably be construed as blaming anyone for a death I did not mention and will not discuss.

You did state that Israel controls USA politics ,

Charlie Kirk spoke out against it .

Charlie Kirk got murdered .

Charlie Kirks killers haven't been found .

That does hint who his killers were

43 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You did state that Israel controls USA politics ,

Charlie Kirk spoke out against it .

Charlie Kirk got murdered .

Charlie Kirks killers haven't been found .

That does hint who his killers were

A bizarre non sequitur.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A bizarre non sequitur.

What is illogical about it ?

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What is illogical about it ?

It’s a bizarre non sequitur, replete with illogical thinking.

I accept that you might struggle to grasp the failings of the thought process you applied to create it.

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a bizarre non sequitur, replete with illogical thinking.

I accept that you might struggle to grasp the failings of the thought process you applied to create it.

What is illogical about it ?