1 hour ago, RubenRemus said:

Although I doubt this is what you meant, it is true the govt of Iran killed about 30,000 citizens a few months ago. The Syrian Civil War led to around 600,000 deaths. 150,000 people were killed in the Lebanese Civil War. During the lack September conflict of 1970–1971, the Jordanian military under King Hussein killed thousands of Palestinians. The Yemeni Civil War has been going on since 2014 and has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths.

But what you probably meant is "Jews are bad" or something?

Please provide some reasonable verification other than media claims that that the Iranian Govt. killed 30,000 citizens as a result of the CIA invoked regime change protests that alternatively reportedly resulted in 3000 deaths overall !

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yet another Jew hater fully comes out.

Where is the hate ?

If I do not extol does it mean I revile? As you seem to do ?

4 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Please provide some reasonable verification other than media claims that that the Iranian Govt. killed 30,000 citizens as a result of the CIA invoked regime change protests that alternatively reportedly resulted in 3000 deaths overall !

You really are a piece of work.

3 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Where is the hate ?

If I do not extol does it mean I revile? As you seem to do ?

If it quacks like a duck.

Sad how denialism is one of the most abused forms of avoidance .

6 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Sad how denialism is one of the most abused forms of avoidance .

Pot kettle black.

For your consideration --

www.pinskercentre.org/analysis-fellows/the-dangers-of-holocaust-inversion

Holocaust inversion – the practice of comparing Israeli policies to that of Nazi Germany – is one of the most harmful forms of contemporary antisemitism. Whilst Holocaust comparisons appear in many public discourses, their employment against the Jewish state is particularly dangerous. The deliberate misappropriation of an unparalleled historical trauma distorts our understanding of past and present, serves to delegitimize Israel, and trivializes the Holocaust. Amidst a dangerous rise in global antisemitism, these comparisons have become much more widespread, reflecting both traditional antisemitic tropes and newer forms of anti-Jewish hatred masked as ‘political criticism.’

Some critics of the State of Israel regularly suggest that the Israeli regime is strikingly similar to the Nazi one. This criticism takes many forms: crude visual photographs blending photos of Benjamin Netanyahu with Adolf Hitler, seemingly academic infographics suggesting ideological parallels, and the insulting superimposition of the Swastika over the Star of David on the Israeli flag. These, deliberately engineered to provoke, have a particularly devastating effect. They are designed to provoke an emotional impact, delegitimizing the Israeli state through demonization and painting an inaccurate picture of what is going on in the Middle East.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

There is no equivalence of the government of Israel and the Nazi Reich.

Those promoting the big lie that there is are propagandists for Jew hating.

Not saying Israel hasn't behaved badly.

Obviously they have.

But equivalent to tbe Nazis not even in the same neighborhood.

Jew haters love to call Jews Nazis

Can't you criticize Israel in a non hateful way?

“Not saying Israel hasn't behaved badly.

Obviously they have.

But equivalent to tbe Nazis not even in the same neighborhood”

Committing genocide is a little more than ‘behaving badly’ although I would at least agree methods and scale differ.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“Not saying Israel hasn't behaved badly.

Obviously they have.

But equivalent to tbe Nazis not even in the same neighborhood”

Committing genocide is a little more than ‘behaving badly’ although I would at least agree methods and scale differ.

I do agree behaving badly is way too soft a way to put it.

There is a healthy debate about whether Israel has actually committed genocide or not. No point into getting into that here.

In any case, if Israel really has genocidal intentions against Arabs, they are really crap at it. (Check previous suggested population figures).

Yes I fully realize there a lot more to determining whether a situation is genocide or not than population numbers. Proof of INTENTIONS is probably a key element. For example I think Putin is guilty of genocidal intentions against Ukraine as there are many public statements evidencing that.

Trump with his recent tweet about intentions to erase Persian civilization forever would be rich evidence if he was ever held accountable.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There is a healthy debate about whether Israel has actually committed genocide or not. No point into getting into that here.

In any case, if Israel really has genocidal intentions against Arabs, they are really crap at it. (Check previous suggested population figures).

I’ll grant you there is a denial, but the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians is both observable and attested to by Israeli politicians.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-inquiry-finds-top-israeli-officials-incited-genocide-gaza-2025-09-16/

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ll grant you there is a denial, but the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians is both observable and attested to by Israeli politicians.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-inquiry-finds-top-israeli-officials-incited-genocide-gaza-2025-09-16/

Dead is dead. however labeled.

But Israel is not Nazi Germany so stop that inflammatory noise.

It's not that the world "hates Jews," its that the world hates the genocides that are being committed by Israelis. Israelis can be Jewish, Christians, Muslims, Druze, etc. I despise anyone committing genocide.

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Dead is dead. however labeled.

But Israel is not Nazi Germany so stop that inflammatory noise.

I never claimed Israel is Nazi Germany.

Cease with your inflammatory and baseless accusations.

34 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I do agree behaving badly is way too soft a way to put it.

There is a healthy debate about whether Israel has actually committed genocide or not. No point into getting into that here.

In any case, if Israel really has genocidal intentions against Arabs, they are really crap at it. (Check previous suggested population figures).

Yes I fully realize there a lot more to determining whether a situation is genocide or not than population numbers. Proof of INTENTIONS is probably a key element. For example I think Putin is guilty of genocidal intentions against Ukraine as there are many public statements evidencing that.

Trump with his recent tweet about intentions to erase Persian civilization forever would be rich evidence if he was ever held accountable.

I never stated genocidal intentions against Arabs.

The credible genocide accusations against Israel relate to genocide of Palestinians.

Not being very good at genocide is not a defense.

I'm calling BS on the Israel genocide thing.

Why?

Because it's the fashion especially among young people to focus only on that.

Yet not one word from that brigade on the many other places in the world where it can be argued genocide is occurring.

Funny only the place where Jews are involved gets the attention.
If you don't see that, you're not being honest,

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm calling BS on the Israel genocide thing.

Why?

Because it's the fashion especially among young people to focus only on that.

Yet not one word from that brigade on the many other places in the world where it can be argued genocide is occurring.

Funny only the place where Jews are involved gets the attention.
If you don't see that, you're not being honest,

Having stated ‘there is a healthy debate on Israel committing genocide’ you now switch to calling the accusation BS, a fashion.

Yes I know you want to deflect with other genocides.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Having stated ‘there is a healthy debate on Israel committing genocide’ you now switch to calling the accusation BS, a fashion.

Yes I know you want to deflect with other genocides.

Stop lying.

I didn't say that at all.

I'm objecting to the fact the world is overwhelmingly focused on the place where Jews are involved with very little if any attention on all the other arguably genocidal situations.

Something stinks with that.

Another case of no Jews, no news?

Another way to look at it. If Israel was just another majority Islam Arab country in the middle east with similar stuff happening, would it would be the fashion all over the world to focus only on that, if at all?

Be honest. You know it would hardly be news.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Unfortunately Jew hating has become more and more mainstream and socially acceptable even in "polite" company.

So based on history it's reasonable to predict that will get much worse before it might get better.

I have the uneasy feeling you are right. At least Jews will fighti back- and fight back hard-this time round. The Middle Eastern heirs to the Nazis have experienced Jewish willingness to fight in self defense since at least 1947, but the Israel-haters have an exceptionally long and steep learning curve.

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Stop lying.

I didn't say that at all.

Really?

53 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There is a healthy debate about whether Israel has actually committed genocide or not. No point into getting into that here.

53 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

For your consideration --

www.pinskercentre.org/analysis-fellows/the-dangers-of-holocaust-inversion

Holocaust inversion – the practice of comparing Israeli policies to that of Nazi Germany – is one of the most harmful forms of contemporary antisemitism. Whilst Holocaust comparisons appear in many public discourses, their employment against the Jewish state is particularly dangerous. The deliberate misappropriation of an unparalleled historical trauma distorts our understanding of past and present, serves to delegitimize Israel, and trivializes the Holocaust. Amidst a dangerous rise in global antisemitism, these comparisons have become much more widespread, reflecting both traditional antisemitic tropes and newer forms of anti-Jewish hatred masked as ‘political criticism.’

Some critics of the State of Israel regularly suggest that the Israeli regime is strikingly similar to the Nazi one. This criticism takes many forms: crude visual photographs blending photos of Benjamin Netanyahu with Adolf Hitler, seemingly academic infographics suggesting ideological parallels, and the insulting superimposition of the Swastika over the Star of David on the Israeli flag. These, deliberately engineered to provoke, have a particularly devastating effect. They are designed to provoke an emotional impact, delegitimizing the Israeli state through demonization and painting an inaccurate picture of what is going on in the Middle East.

Is it unfair?

Experts on the matter of genocide, including Israelis, have concluded that Israel is inflicting it on Palestinians.

As I pointed out earlier,Israel practices collective punishment, also a Nazi tactic in occupied territories

On the west bank, the similarities to kristallnacht are apparent.

How about this?

64% of Israelis believe there are ‘no innocents’ in Gaza: Poll

Survey by Hebrew University center shows growing extremism in Israeli society

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/64-of-israelis-believe-there-are-no-innocents-in-gaza-poll/3594355

Poll: 82% of Israelis want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, child

A poll found that 82% of full citizens of Israel want to expel Palestinians from Gaza. 47% want to kill every single man, woman, and child in Gaza. Former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert wrote that Israel is waging a “war of extermination: the indiscriminate, unrestrained, cruel, and criminal killing of civilians”.

According to the results, 82 percent of respondents supported the expulsion of Gaza's residents, while 56 percent favored expelling Palestinian citizens of Israel.

https://archive.is/nNzq4#selection-605.0-605.163

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You really are a piece of work.

I have been lucky to live in the Middle East for many years prior to here

I have lived and worked in Iran, it is as far as i know the most western democratic country in the middle east (For your info i have also lived and worked in Egypt Afghanistan Yemen Syria Iraq and jordan)

Although a UK Christian and son of a vicar so i know christian stuff, i tend to lean heavily more to Islam as it makes more sense

Iran just gets on with things its peoples are welcoming educated and warm unlike another country i can mention, it has a large population of Christians and jews with freedom to worship unlike israel

my company would never allow me to visit the "squatter nation and i must admit i never had any desires to go)

IMHO the de stabilising of the middle east is purely down to Isreals war like genocidal policies

1 hour ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Please provide some reasonable verification other than media claims that that the Iranian Govt. killed 30,000 citizens as a result of the CIA invoked regime change protests that alternatively reportedly resulted in 3000 deaths overall !

I don't know what you consider "reasonable verification," but Time attributes the 30,000 figure to local Iranian officials.

Iran Protest Death Toll Could Top 30,000, According to Local Health Officials

As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on Jan. 8 and 9 alone, two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health told TIME—indicating a dramatic surge in the death toll. So many people were slaughtered by Iranian security services on that Thursday and Friday, it overwhelmed the state’s capacity to dispose of the dead. Stocks of body bags were exhausted, the officials said, and eighteen-wheel semi-trailers replaced ambulances.

46 minutes ago, connda said:

It's not that the world "hates Jews," its that the world hates the genocides that are being committed by Israelis. Israelis can be Jewish, Christians, Muslims, Druze, etc. I despise anyone committing genocide.

Antisemitism predates the state pf Israel by at least 2,000 years. The six million Jews killed in the Holocaust point to at least some of the world hating Jews for no other reason than they are Jews.

All Jews in the USA should take advantage of their constitutional rights, get training, and vote MAGA.

Mossad should take care of the EU anti semites.

3 hours ago, RubenRemus said:

Although I doubt this is what you meant, it is true the govt of Iran killed about 30,000 citizens a few months ago. The Syrian Civil War led to around 600,000 deaths. 150,000 people were killed in the Lebanese Civil War. During the lack September conflict of 1970–1971, the Jordanian military under King Hussein killed thousands of Palestinians. The Yemeni Civil War has been going on since 2014 and has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths.

And don't forget at least one million died in the eight-year war between Iran and Iraq. Suppression of Muslim minority groups like the Marsh Arabs and the Kurds by other Muslims has resulted in huge death tolls, as did the civil war in Afghanistan.

Since 1948, vastly more Muslims have been slaughtered by other Muslims than have been killed in military actions by the IDF.

Can a pro-Palestinian poster explain how genocide is taking place when the population of the Palestinian territory, including Gaza, is growing so strongly? I posted this chart in another thread, but no one there could answer my question.

Within Israel, the number of Israeli citizens of Pa;estinian Arab descent has risen to about 2.2 million from 160,000 in 1948. Can that be called genocide?

On 4/14/2026 at 9:49 AM, Evil Penevil said:

This is a chart over the growth in the population of the Palestinian territory since 1950.

The number of Israeli citizens of Palestinian Arab descent has grown to 2.2 million today from 160,000 in 1948. Where is the genocide if the population is growing so strongly?

xxx

4 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Definitely, never again is now. It's up to all of us to oppose antisemitism.

It is. But we need to narrow our definition of what Jew-hating really is. As I've said elsewhere, young people can't even imagine the horrors of the Holocaust. It sounds like fiction to them.

And so, they (naturally) equate the actions of the IDF with any old Jew anywhere. You & I know that's an unfair comparison but they don't. And all the education of the IHRA, the ADL and so forth is too intellectual for the soundbite generation.

Genocide isn't a numbers game. 6 million = 100,000=7,432. All of them are genocide. Intent, means, ability, the IDF motto.

49 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

And don't forget at least one million died in the eight-year war between Iran and Iraq. Suppression of Muslim minority groups like the Marsh Arabs and the Kurds by other Muslims has resulted in huge death tolls, as did the civil war in Afghanistan.

Since 1948, vastly more Muslims have been slaughtered by other Muslims than have been killed in military actions by the IDF.

49 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

And don't forget at least one million died in the eight-year war between Iran and Iraq. Suppression of Muslim minority groups like the Marsh Arabs and the Kurds by other Muslims has resulted in huge death tolls, as did the civil war in Afghanistan.

Since 1948, vastly more Muslims have been slaughtered by other Muslims than have been killed in military actions by the IDF.

Numbers of deaths are not relevant!

13 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Can a pro-Palestinian poster explain how genocide is taking place when the population of the Palestinian territory, including Gaza, is growing so strongly? I posted this chart in another thread, but no one there could answer my question.

Within Israel, the number of Israeli citizens of Pa;estinian Arab descent has risen to about 2.2 million from 160,000 in 1948. Can that be called genocide?

xxx

Birthrate is one indicator of population growth. Though it's hard to imagine Palestinians feel like screwing and giving birth in the rubble or living next door to homicidal colonists.

2.2 million divide by 77 years would indicate a birth rate of 285,500. Let's say 5.5 million live in Israeli-occupied Palestine. That includes men and children not just women of childbearing age. Good old AI tells me that number is 1.5 million. 1.5M divided by 285,500 = 5.25 children per mother...over 48 years.

Do Palestinian mothers in war zones really average 5 children? I don't know the answer to that but I think this chart must be skewed.

But, of course, 'only' ~100,000 Palestinians were killed in Israel's war on Gaza. The 172,000 injured won't be having kids.

Math was never my strong suit. There may be another way to read my numbers. Have at it, please.

Ah, as Steve Martin used to say: Excuuuuse me! You were talking about the Arabs living in Israel, meaning relative peacetime, though I doubt they are trusted or popular.

Israeli women average 3 children per mother, so I would think Palestinian women in Israel must be much the same They are no more fecund, which would be a racist trope.

Pro-Palestinian has nothing to do with it. I am anti-Israel because I am pro-human.

Dang! I missed the boat again. Those 2.2M Arabs living in Israel have Israeli citizenship. Therefore, those numbers would have to be added to the overall Israeli birthrate.

7 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Numbers of deaths are not relevant!

I'd say they are very relevant to the people who die, as well as their families, friends and countrymen. But you are correct in that it's intent, not casualty figures, that determines whether genocide is taking place. I don't belive Israelis have any intention to eliminate Palestinians as an ethnic group or nationality.

If they have been conducting genocide since 1948, they certainly haven't sicceeded, as the population of the Palestinian territory is growing much faster than Israel's.

4 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

I'd say they are very relevant to the people who die, as well as their families, friends and countrymen. But you are correct in that it's intent, not casualty figures, that determines whether genocide is taking place. I don't belive Israelis have any intention to eliminate Palestinians as an ethnic group or nationality.

If they have been conducting genocide since 1948, they certainly haven't sicceeded, as the population of the Palestinian territory is growing much faster than Israel's.

You'll have to wait for the post on Zionism I'm writing, Ev. If Israel has not annihilated Palestinians, it's not for lack of intent. Meanwhile, they just steal their land.