5 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Can a pro-Palestinian poster explain how genocide is taking place when the population of the Palestinian territory, including Gaza, is growing so strongly? I posted this chart in another thread, but no one there could answer my question.

Within Israel, the number of Israeli citizens of Pa;estinian Arab descent has risen to about 2.2 million from 160,000 in 1948. Can that be called genocide?

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It’s been explained many times:

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world's leading exper...

The world's leading association of genocide scholars cited several actions by Israel, including attacks on the healthcare sector and the killing of children.

5 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I'd say they are very relevant to the people who die, as well as their families, friends and countrymen. But you are correct in that it's intent, not casualty figures, that determines whether genocide is taking place. I don't belive Israelis have any intention to eliminate Palestinians as an ethnic group or nationality.

If they have been conducting genocide since 1948, they certainly haven't sicceeded, as the population of the Palestinian territory is growing much faster than Israel's.

You might not wish to believe the intent, despite the intent being overtly discussed within Israel.

And again, not being very good at genocide is not a defense:

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/05/21/in-israel-rhetoric-dehumanizing-palestinians-and-calls-for-eradicating-gaza-have-become-commonplace_6741510_4.html

11 hours ago, jvs said:

Putting it in a very simple perspective, the kid that was always bullied is now doing the bullying

and acting surprised the world is pushing back.

Imo Israel is doing the same now as nazi Germany did to them.

I always thought the Jews were the smart ones.

Really? when israel will slaughter, burn and gas 6 millions muslims, than they'll be even, and only than you can criticize Israel, and until than, keep your clueless comments to yourself. and Oh yeah, NEVER AGAIN WILL ANY COUNTRY, FORCE OR RELIGION WILL EVER, NEVER HAVE THE CHANCE TO DO WHAT THE GERMAN DID.

8 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Can a pro-Palestinian poster explain how genocide is taking place when the population of the Palestinian territory, including Gaza, is growing so strongly? I posted this chart in another thread, but no one there could answer my question.

Within Israel, the number of Israeli citizens of Pa;estinian Arab descent has risen to about 2.2 million from 160,000 in 1948. Can that be called genocide?

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It's clear from polling data that Israeli Jews now regret this growth and almost half are willing to support Nazi style measures to impose a final solution on the problem. And of those who don't, a big majority support mass expulsion. I think the general consensus there is Better Late Than Never.

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Really? when israel will slaughter, burn and gas 6 millions muslims, than they'll be even, and only than you can criticize Israel, and until than, keep your clueless comments to yourself. and Oh yeah, NEVER AGAIN WILL ANY COUNTRY, FORCE OR RELIGION WILL EVER, NEVER HAVE THE CHANCE TO DO WHAT THE GERMAN DID.

We are not seeing eye to eye but that is ok.

You have your feelings and i have mine.

So until Israel reaches the same number of killed people they are ok?

It is not the numbers but the intent.

About me being clueless,you don't have a clue.

It must be hitting close to home in order for you to act like this?

I see 2 themes here in this thread.

Jew and Israel.

It’s clear that some here support and defend the indefensible; Israel.

It’s wrong to conflate Jews with despising Israel. To hate Jews is antisemitism, to hate what Israel has become is common sense for anyone with a modicum of common sense.

Israel has been hijacked, it used to be a noble endeavor and it has become evil and genocidal.

Don’t confuse extinguishing an entire race as the only definition of genocide. Israel wants all the Palestinians gone from Gaza and is making it an impossible place to thrive; that meets the test of genocide.

Moderate Israeli’s are leaving Israel and I foresee it being destroyed from within.

Those of you arguing with Israel haters do yourselves no favors, you are fueling the fire.

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yet another Jew hater fully comes out.

It seems like it is part of progressive politics to hate Jews. The herd has found a target and is enjoying hating. Just cowards and they usually amount to nothing IMO. Arguing with the herd is pointless. Are you a Jew?

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Stop lying.

I didn't say that at all.

I'm objecting to the fact the world is overwhelmingly focused on the place where Jews are involved with very little if any attention on all the other arguably genocidal situations.

Something stinks with that.

Another case of no Jews, no news?

Another way to look at it. If Israel was just another majority Islam Arab country in the middle east with similar stuff happening, would it would be the fashion all over the world to focus only on that, if at all?

Be honest. You know it would hardly be news.

The war crimes committed in Sudan, Yemen, Myanmar, and other exotic countries do not originate from our side.

Israel is our creation.

People who inhabit it are normally on our side, the West, respectful of the rules of decency, concerned with dignity and humanity.

By flouting these principles with US support, Israel deprives us of our humanist advantage.

This is why Western peoples reject these actions and generalise their criticism of the unique status of Israel homeland of the Jews..

Add to this the growing hatred of Muslims everywhere who feel solidarity with their Palestinian Arab brothers, and it becomes easy to understand why mass antisemitism has a bright future ahead.

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Really?

Yet again you intentionally distort what I've said.

I am not God nor am I a grand war crimes judge at the Hague.

With current events, there is a debate about how exactly to label and categorize both war crimes and genocide about MULTIPLE conflicts in the world. Israel/Palestinian is ONE OF MANY. Yet that's the one that gets 99 percent of the world's attention. In my view, it's because it involves Jews. The same situation with an Arab Israel would be another back burner attention situation.

You want to constantly argue that Israel has committed genocide. I have not concluded that they have not. I just don't think THIS TOPIC is about that debate (whether or not) such as it is. Not every topic on Israel/Palestine needs to be yet another platform to accuse Israel of genocide. By doing so, you and others are HIJACKING the actual headlined topic here. TYPICAL.

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

I see 2 themes here in this thread.

Jew and Israel.

It’s clear that some here support and defend the indefensible; Israel.

It’s wrong to conflate Jews with despising Israel. To hate Jews is antisemitism, to hate what Israel has become is common sense for anyone with a modicum of common sense.

Israel has been hijacked, it used to be a noble endeavor and it has become evil and genocidal.

Don’t confuse extinguishing an entire race as the only definition of genocide. Israel wants all the Palestinians gone from Gaza and is making it an impossible place to thrive; that meets the test of genocide.

Moderate Israeli’s are leaving Israel and I foresee it being destroyed from within.

Those of you arguing with Israel haters do yourselves no favors, you are fueling the fire.

People from Europe are still pissed at the Jews over the Holocaust.

I will give another example.

Personally I am more interested in the Russo-Ukraine war than the current war in the Middle East, though they are both very important and they are both related.

Many times I have accused Russia of genocide against Ukraine.

Yet I have never tried to hijack even one topic into a pro and con debate about whether or not that is really true.

I also know that with hot/current war situations the final judge of such labelling is not with the general public but with both legal judges of such matters and historians, etc.

35 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yet again you intentionally distort what I've said.

I am not God nor am I a grand war crimes judge at the Hague.

With current events, there is a debate about how exactly to label and categorize both war crimes and genocide about MULTIPLE conflicts in the world. Israel/Palestinian is ONE OF MANY. Yet that's the one that gets 99 percent of the world's attention. In my view, it's because it involves Jews. The same situation with an Arab Israel would be another back burner attention situation.

You want to constantly argue that Israel has committed genocide. I have not concluded that they have not. I just don't think THIS TOPIC is about that debate (whether or not) such as it is. Not every topic on Israel/Palestine needs to be yet another platform to accuse Israel of genocide. By doing so, you and others are HIJACKING the actual headlined topic here. TYPICAL.

Listen up, when I quote your own statements and you respond by calling me a liar, only for me to post your actual statement, the usual form is to retract your false allegation of ‘liar’.

I see you can’t man to that.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Listen up, when I quote your own statements and you respond by calling me a liar, only for me to post your actual statement, the usual form is to retract your false allegation of ‘liar’.

I see you can’t man to that.

Garbage!

You post a snippet out of context and play straw man twister games.

You play act or perhaps you didn't ever get my actual point.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I will give another example.

Personally I am more interested in the Russo-Ukraine war than the current war in the Middle East, though they are both very important and they are both related.

Many times I have accused Russia of genocide against Ukraine.

Yet I have never tried to hijack even one topic into a pro and con debate about whether or not that is really true.

I also know that with hot/current war situations the final judge of such labelling is not with the general public but with both legal judges of such matters and historians, etc.

And of course the considered and published opinions of leading international experts on the matter.

Deliberately ignoring their considered opinion does at least remove any future recourse to the excuse of ‘if only we had known’.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I will give another example.

Personally I am more interested in the Russo-Ukraine war than the current war in the Middle East, though they are both very important and they are both related.

Many times I have accused Russia of genocide against Ukraine.

Yet I have never tried to hijack even one topic into a pro and con debate about whether or not that is really true.

I also know that with hot/current war situations the final judge of such labelling is not with the general public but with both legal judges of such matters and historians, etc.

Really? I could not give a stuff about any war as long as fuel goes down again.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And of course the considered and published opinions of leading international experts on the matter.

Deliberately ignoring their considered opinion does at least remove any future recourse to the excuse of ‘if only we had known’.

That's a very good point.

We can know stuff in the middle of hot conflicts before history's ultimate conclusions.

But yet again, did you read what this topic is supposed to be about?

It seems no as what you want to talk about as usual is the Israel is committing genocide thing even when that is NOT the actual topic.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Garbage!

You post a snippet out of context and play straw man twister games.

You play act or perhaps you didn't ever get my actual point.

But h so it wasn’t you who said:

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

There is a healthy debate about whether Israel has actually committed genocide or not. No point into getting into that here.

And yes I know you ‘don’t want to get into it’ here or anywhere else.

My bad.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But h so it wasn’t you who said:

And yes I know you ‘don’t want to get into it’ here or anywhere else.

My bad.

Agreed. Your bad. Enough with your hijacking attempts.

As I have stated before it is of extreme importance to differentiate between people protesting against Israel's approach to this war in Gaza, and antisemitism. They are two completely different things, however Israel is an extremely thin skinned nation, and very intolerant of any sort of criticism. As a Jew I know that many Jews are thin-skinned when it comes to any sort of criticism of Israel, and it's often interpreted as being anti-semitic.

I've been called a Jew hater for criticizing Israeli policy so I know how sensitive the issue can be, and it's very important to interpret it correctly. Jews and all people have the right to be critical of Israeli policy, especially now that the extremists have taken over, gotten the support of a hateful PM, and are engaging in what could be called a ridiculously disproportionate campaign against the Gazans. Many call it genocide. And it would appear as though their goal is in trying to erase the Palestinian population. And now Lebanon?

Israel must be very careful at this point as they are losing support around the world, by the day it's gotten to the point where there are very few nations who are still supportive of Israel, and the IDF. If the US withdrew it's support, it would put them in dire straits, and very isolated. And we might be looking at a failed state. They deserve that, in my opinion. I believe all the lessons of the Holocaust have been forgotten within the current very sad state of affairs in Israel.

Am I a Jew hater? Absolutely not, as I have many Jewish friends and family that I adore. Do I hate Israel? Certainly not the people, but I do hate the current Israeli government. Much as I hate the current American government, it doesn't make me an America hater, though the fake patriots on this forum would argue otherwise.

What blows my mind is the number of Jews around the world and the number of Israelis who seem to be completely blind to the fact that genocidal Israeli government policy is causing a huge amount of hatred toward Jews in general, which isn't right, but nonetheless it's a fact.

2 hours ago, TedG said:

And what percentage of Palestinians want to destroy Israel?

But they're unable to do it. And they aren't allied with the USA.

18 hours ago, RubenRemus said:

Germany and Israel are countries. Jews are not. What's difficult to understand about that?

Those people aren't the smart ones.

7 hours ago, ezzra said:

Really? when israel will slaughter, burn and gas 6 millions muslims, than they'll be even, and only than you can criticize Israel, and until than, keep your clueless comments to yourself. and Oh yeah, NEVER AGAIN WILL ANY COUNTRY, FORCE OR RELIGION WILL EVER, NEVER HAVE THE CHANCE TO DO WHAT THE GERMAN DID.

Numbers don't matter. Annihilating a people is genocide.

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Israel/Palestinian is ONE OF MANY. Yet that's the one that gets 99 percent of the world's attention. In my view, it's because it involves Jews.

For me personally, yes, precisely. It's because these wars are initiated by Jews and have been for 87 years. I think many may agree that we thought better of Jews than Israel.

Israel may be Jews. But all Jews are not Israel.

17 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Do you have Bibi's accent? The Ashkenazi Polish immigrant derivative attempted to make popular in US sitcoms?

Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv. His mother was born in Jerusalem. His father was born in Russian occupied Poland. The father legally emigrated to British controlled "palestine" at the age of 10, in 1920. Because his father was an academic who went on to teach at Cornell in the USA, the Netanyahu family relocated for a time to the USA, where Benjamin went to MIT. Are you jealous that you were unable to gain admission to a top quality university or are you jealous that people who started life with little, educated and advanced themselves?

15 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I'm calling BS on the Israel genocide thing.

Condoning the Israel genocide of Palestinians and Arabs - Christians and Muslims - in Gaza and South Lebanon is implicitly condoning those evil actions.
Condoning is complacency and complicity. To ignore the abhorrent evil that drives Israel to commit these acts, like leveling high rise apartment buildings and killing everyone living in them in order to "target a terrorist", is to condone that evil.

That's very twisted and totally amoral. In this day and age where almost every person has a camera, you can't manipulate documented video accounts of atrocities, try as you may. It's the documentation of genocide as it occurs which is turning global opinion against Israel and turning it into one of the most hated countries on the planet. Moral human beings can't abide genocide and ethnic cleansing. If you personally can? Very sad. Very, very sad.

57 minutes ago, connda said:

Condoning the Israel genocide of Palestinians and Arabs - Christians and Muslims - in Gaza and South Lebanon is implicitly condoning those evil actions.
Condoning is complacency and complicity. To ignore the abhorrent evil that drives Israel to commit these acts, like leveling high rise apartment buildings and killing everyone living in them in order to "target a terrorist", is to condone that evil.

That's very twisted and totally amoral. In this day and age where almost every person has a camera, you can't manipulate documented video accounts of atrocities, try as you may. It's the documentation of genocide as it occurs which is turning global opinion against Israel and turning it into one of the most hated countries on the planet. Moral human beings can't abide genocide and ethnic cleansing. If you personally can? Very sad. Very, very sad.

Straw man garbage.

So sleazy.

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

For me personally, yes, precisely. It's because these wars are initiated by Jews and have been for 87 years. I think many may agree that we thought better of Jews than Israel.

Israel may be Jews. But all Jews are not Israel.

You totally distorted my point.

So sleazy!

Post containing antisemitic hate speech removed @FlorC

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Straw man garbage.

So sleazy.

I honestly believe that the majority of your rather limited vocabulary consists of dismissive rhetorical put-downs often fabricated though ad hominem fallacies.
Well, not everyone got to the university and graduate school levels, and from what I witnessed when I was in university was that the vast majority of kids in attendance were more interested in booze and vaginas and partying and football than actually spending serious time in the library hitting the books and finding joy in the pursuit of academic endeavor.
Impress me sometime Jing and attempt to construct a full paragraph of original thought supporting your position on a topic - any topic. Your best at the moment is perhaps five or six words in a couple of choppy sentences. Which is why I don't personally take you serious. But you're not on my "Ignore List" because I find you mildly entertaining in a Gomer Pyle or Cosmo Kramer sort of way.

"Straw man garbage.

So sleazy."
Scholarship Grade: D+
Brevity Grade (for the sake of becoming a Top Poster): A-

Bravo! Very erudite. Par excellence!

1 hour ago, connda said:

I honestly believe that the majority of your rather limited vocabulary consists of dismissive rhetorical put-downs often fabricated though ad hominem fallacies.
Well, not everyone got to the university and graduate school levels, and from what I witnessed when I was in university was that the vast majority of kids in attendance were more interested in booze and vaginas and partying and football than actually spending serious time in the library hitting the books and finding joy in the pursuit of academic endeavor.
Impress me sometime Jing and attempt to construct a full paragraph of original thought supporting your position on a topic - any topic. Your best at the moment is perhaps five or six words in a couple of choppy sentences. Which is why I don't personally take you serious. But you're not on my "Ignore List" because I find you mildly entertaining in a Gomer Pyle or Cosmo Kramer sort of way.

"Straw man garbage.

So sleazy."
Scholarship Grade: D+
Brevity Grade (for the sake of becoming a Top Poster): A-

Bravo! Very erudite. Par excellence!

This isn't a graded class or a court of law.

When confronted with massive distortions and yes sleazy straw man games in a post here, why would any rational person spend any time in crafting a rebuttal to GARBAGE?

I won't and you can think what you want about me and insult me all you want. I'm secure in the certainty that I've got your number.