4 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Except for the part about having a texture and flavour like sand without the salt! Horrible stuff!

Creatine is a naturally occurring compound in your body that decreases with age. Best mixed in a protein drink so you won't taste that gritty texture.

When I see all those 70 year olds with their 23 year old "nieces" showin off in swanky restaurants of Hua Hin eating excess cheese, fat, pork, meat, or those over greasy foods in food courts...and all the booze...no wonder they do not live that long to enjoy the lovely company of the rented "niece" or the expectant wife.

I've only seen a vegetarian diet and yoga mentioned twice. We're all hansum men already, no need to impress the ladies.

I've been vegetarian since 16, have bellyfat but never over BMI. Healthy, stats better than average.

Yoga, veg diet, walking & stairs are quite enough.

Trying to prevent dementia with: Shingrix & high-dose flu vax, Lithium orotate 10mg.

7 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

When I see all those 70 year olds with their 23 year old "nieces" showin off in swanky restaurants of Hua Hin eating excess cheese, fat, pork, meat, or those over greasy foods in food courts...and all the booze...no wonder they do not live that long to enjoy the lovely company of the rented "niece" or the expectant wife.

True, but by the time they're 70, their eating and drinking habits are ingrained as taste is the downfall of many, and cheese and meat are two of the tastiest food groups. People love to eat, and can change eating habits anytime with will power and desire, hard as it is, but their eyes for a good looking woman won't change.

The best we can do is try and negate the effects of aging as we move along.

Been into sports my entire life, wrestling and baseball mostly. Some hockey but that didn't last very long. Have weight trained since I was 12 years old. Used to watch Rocky movies with best friend and then try and imitate the workouts.

Led a pretty avid party life with raves in the early 90s and the club scene in the later 90s early 2ks. Tried almost every substance there was out there in the scene. Early to mid 30s, working out became my life and, in came the anabolics.

I recon I shaved some years off life during that time. I know my hair took a beating as I noticed pattern baldness starting at 36.

Began the migration to Thailand at 40 and was so overwhelmed by everything that I completely forgot about all of the stuff above. Have made attempts at revisiting the pastures of yore but have just been disappointed. That life doesn't hold anything for me anymore.

Nowadays life at 50 is training 4-5 days per week, resistance, cardio, and sports specific training.

Food is 75% meal plans from a couple of different food prep places here in BKK. I leave room on weekends for indulgence.

Recovery comes in the form of contrast therapy (sauna / ice), LED red light therapy, have done cryo a couple of times.

Mental health...I stay involved a few projects related to tech and finance. I need this to keep me from allowing the internet to rot my mind

Preventative maintenance / Anti-aging and repair comes from avid skincare routine, RF therapy, botox. Fixed a double hernia a couple years ago and just did a hair transplant to fix the damage I incurred in my 30s

Being married has calmed me down quite a bit too. Definitely keeps me out of temptation's way

What does it all mean? How do I measure up to others?

I dont know...I look like a 38 year old version of myself if I never touched substances. Does any of it actually prolong my life? Theoretically it should. Who knows though. Healthy people drop all the time. Will I outlive the geezer who drinks cheap whiskey and smokes menthols? Who knows.

Life feels more fragile now and I take less chances. I think statistically that counts for the most when it comes to matters like this.

Cheers

4 minutes ago, happydreamer said:

The best we can do is try and negate the effects of aging as we move along.

Been into sports my entire life, wrestling and baseball mostly. Some hockey but that didn't last very long. Have weight trained since I was 12 years old. Used to watch Rocky movies with best friend and then try and imitate the workouts.

Led a pretty avid party life with raves in the early 90s and the club scene in the later 90s early 2ks. Tried almost every substance there was out there in the scene. Early to mid 30s, working out became my life and, in came the anabolics.

I recon I shaved some years off life during that time. I know my hair took a beating as I noticed pattern baldness starting at 36.

Began the migration to Thailand at 40 and was so overwhelmed by everything that I completely forgot about all of the stuff above. Have made attempts at revisiting the pastures of yore but have just been disappointed. That life doesn't hold anything for me anymore.

Nowadays life at 50 is training 4-5 days per week, resistance, cardio, and sports specific training.

Food is 75% meal plans from a couple of different food prep places here in BKK. I leave room on weekends for indulgence.

Recovery comes in the form of contrast therapy, LED red light therapy, have done cryo a couple of times.

Preventative maintenance / Anti-aging and repair comes from avid skincare routine, RF therapy, botox. Fixed a double hernia a couple years ago and just did a hair transplant to fix the damage I incurred in my 30s

Being married has calmed me down quite a bit too. Definitely keeps me out of temptation's way

What does it all mean? How do I measure up to others?

I dont know...I look like a 38 year old version of myself if I never touched substances. Does any of it actually prolong my life? Theoretically it should. Who knows though. Healthy people drop all the time. Will I outlive the geezer who drinks cheap whiskey and smokes menthols? Who knows.

Life feels more fragile now and I take less chances. I think statistically that counts for the most when it comes to matters like this.

Cheers

I think living healthily varies for all of us

A sensible balanced diet works too- and of course smoking really is a no no

3 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Stairs in Thailand are narrow and poorly designed. Also if you are older might have bad knees. Gyms are great. Pick a quiet gym. Also more social.

Take two stairs at a time and run up them. It's easier and you work your calves that way. Running 120 flights of stairs every five or six days will do wonders. Maybe control a lot of potential knee problems with glucosamine sulphate.

I've been holding my water on this thread, as I seem to have a very different idea of staying fit compared to some here.

Most of my work is internal. Akin to keeping everything oiled and working. No running around like crazy, no supplements and eating everything I want, in moderation. Also eating large amounts of fruit daily 😊

For me, it's all in the mind. If you don't have control over your mind, you don't have control of yourself.

Perhaps I'm just a different animal.

I should add that in the past I have undertaken seriously intensive forms of training, precisely because I wanted to see how far I could push my mind and body in that direction.

Now I'm discovering new things about how my body works and how everything is interconnected. When you know, you know.

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I have already surpassed the average life expectancy of an Australian male.

What is not measured can't be controlled. I have regular blood and heart health checks.

BMI normal. ( Low carb diet ). BP normal, resting heart rate 60 bpm ( Daily exercise )

I have survived four different types of cancer.

Four cancers - you are an outlier. Were you a smoker or worked in coal mines? Takes perseverance to beat those odds or maybe you were just lucky? Must have some huge medical bills. I think you have nailed the how to be healthy with your your seemingly health in moderation shown by your BMI, resting HR, and blood pressure. Are your fasted glucose numbers good?

9 hours ago, blaze master said:

So far no noticeable damage. No cough. Lung capacity still normal. Well see long term i guess. Cannabis does have anti carcinogenic properties that might negate or offset some of the damage that it might have caused ?

I could smoke for more than a week or two before my lungs would throw in the towel. Had bad accidents in the past that make my lungs temperamental. I enjoy edibles but only when I don't have to be even semi-functional. For me they aren't even remotely the same high. It is almost like doing shrooms - well that is a little exaggeration but you get the drift. I can smoke a gram and sometimes I'm just mildly high. 1/10 th of a gram of my DIY decarbed weed with a big spoon of peanut butter and once I lay down I would have difficulty leaving the bed if it was on fire.

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Except for the part about having a texture and flavour like sand without the salt! Horrible stuff!

Mix with cocoa or chocolate protein powder.

14 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I've been holding my water on this thread, as I seem to have a very different idea of staying fit compared to some here.

Most of my work is internal. Akin to keeping everything oiled and working. No running around like crazy, no supplements and eating everything I want, in moderation. Also eating large amounts of fruit daily 😊

For me, it's all in the mind. If you don't have control over your mind, you don't have control of yourself.

Perhaps I'm just a different animal.

I should add that in the past I have undertaken seriously intensive forms of training, precisely because I wanted to see how far I could push my mind and body in that direction.

Now I'm discovering new things about how my body works and how everything is interconnected. When you know, you know.

That's sounds like an interesting journey. Controlling your mind and diet is much more important than exercise IMO. I think throwing some mobility exercises into the mix would be beneficial but maybe not.

2 minutes ago, atpeace said:

That's sounds like an interesting journey. Controlling your mind and diet is much more important than exercise IMO. I think throwing some mobility exercises into the mix would be beneficial but maybe not.

Except sitting on a bench to meditate is not much fun and is bad for your back. Walking to a gym or walking in general increases blood flow and is good for your back. Humans are nomads by nature.

2 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Except sitting on a bench to meditate is not much fun and is bad for your back. Walking to a gym or walking in general increases blood flow and is good for your back. Humans are nomads by nature.

I agree but I think he was saying that if you can't control your mind then starting an exercise plan is worthless. I agree and most of good health comes down to diet. THrow in some mobility exercise like many older Japanese and you will be in a good place.

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2 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I agree but I think he was saying that if you can't control your mind then starting an exercise plan is worthless. I agree and most of good health comes down to diet. THrow in some mobility exercise like many older Japanese and you will be in a good place.

It depends on your lifestyle. An office worker may need a gym. Someone on a building site does not need anymore physical extras.

He talks about mind control but abuses Fred Wiggy non stop. He has no self control.

People struggle with gyms ongoing due to cost, boredom and convenience. Sometimes it is just easier to buy a dumbell or bands if you don't live near an affordable gym. A few bands and a tree is actually more fun than free weights imo.

2 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

People struggle with gyms ongoing due to cost, boredom and convenience. Sometimes it is just easier to buy a dumbell or bands if you don't live near an affordable gym. A few bands and a tree is actually more fun than free weights imo.

Sound kinky but whatever works.

After the gyms closed with covid, I moved to small town that I liked while travelling in my camper. It has no gym so stopped working out but added weights to my exercise room a couple months ago and began lifting again. Only about 25 minutes twice a week but is producing great results. Throwing in some silly mobility exercises that I laughed at before but now think they might be just as important if not more than the weights.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Creatine is a naturally occurring compound in your body that decreases with age. Best mixed in a protein drink so you won't taste that gritty texture.

I never got the bad taste argument. So what - it takes literally 1 second to drink and the aftertaste is gone in 10 seconds. Honestly, it such a tiny issue I never even gave it any thought. I stopped taking it because after months nothing changed. I was still forgetful and my health was the same as well as strength. It has zero impact for many but good results for others.

9 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Sound kinky but whatever works.

After the gyms closed with covid, I moved to small town that I liked while travelling in my camper. It has no gym so stopped working out but added weights to my exercise room a couple months ago and began lifting again. Only about 25 minutes twice a week but is producing great results. Throwing in some silly mobility exercises that I laughed at before but now think they might be just as important if not more than the weights.

Muscles don't know if its a barbell, dumbell, bodyweight or band. It just has to be testing close to failure and between 5 and 30 reps. Any object will do. You can curl or lift a sledgehammer over your head 10 times to get the same affect.

1 minute ago, atpeace said:

I never got the bad taste argument. So what - it takes literally 1 second to drink and the aftertaste is gone in 10 seconds. Honestly, it such a tiny issue I never even gave it any thought. I stopped taking it because after months nothing changed. I was still forgetful and my health was the same as well as strength. It has zero impact for many but good results for others.

The younger you are the less you might need it, if at all. Just another supplement. I tried it for awhile and was always lifting heavy anyway, so didn't really notice any difference. EAS had a few good supplements long ago that worked well, but they weren't approved so they took them off the market. HMB and Ephedra worked very well. Some people respond to some things and some to others. I used to drink protein powders when they first came onto the market and some tasted like chalk, but I didn't care as I was gung ho for anything that helped.

Creatine does not make you stronger. It turns ADP into ATP which gives you energy for more reps and sets. You won't lift any heavier though. Just allows for more volume.

2 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Muscles don't know if its a barbell, dumbell, bodyweight or band. It just has to be testing close to failure and between 5 and 30 reps. Any object will do. You can curl or lift a sledgehammer over your head 10 times to get the same affect.

Dumbbells of the same weight as a barbell will give better results. This is why you can't lift the same amount with dumbbells than you can with a barbell. Balancing them makes your muscles work harder. The same with using a machine or barbell. A machine bench starts at a certain place, but a barbell you have to lift off the rack, bring to your chest (best results), then back up. You could take one hand off the machine and it won't fall, but balancing that barbell makes your muscles work harder, which is why free weights are the best for gains and symmetry.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The younger you are the less you might need it, if at all. Just another supplement. I tried it for awhile and was always lifting heavy anyway, so didn't really notice any difference. EAS had a few good supplements long ago that worked well, but they weren't approved so they took them off the market. HMB and Ephedra worked very well. Some people respond to some things and some to others. I used to drink protein powders when they first came onto the market and some tasted like chalk, but I didn't care as I was gung ho for anything that helped.

I use Soy protein (once a day -30g protein) that doesn't taste great but if a tasty version was 1% more expensive, I would buy the less tasty version. I down my glass in seconds and move on to something else. High volume runners need loads of protein or at least that is the popular believe at the moment :)

30 minutes ago, atpeace said:

That's sounds like an interesting journey. Controlling your mind and diet is much more important than exercise IMO. I think throwing some mobility exercises into the mix would be beneficial but maybe not.

I work on mobility almost constantly. That's the point. But you don't need to run around like a maniac to do so. Not that strenuous forms of exercise to supplement and to test are not beneficial, but most of my work is internal, holistic.

Learning how to relieve pain and to repair any perceived damage. In other words to use our brains in the way we are meant to, without the distractions of modern life.

Understanding how your body is supposed to work and keeping that working, rather than creating an artificial construction and having to live an artificial life in order to maintain it.

I've lived that life too. But stop for a moment and it can be difficult to adapt.

So you either keep going under heavy strain and wear yourself out or learn to live a different way.

Now I'm even more flexible and 'active'. but active when necessary, rather than all the time.

No stress 😊

3 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Creatine does not make you stronger. It turns ADP into ATP which gives you energy for more reps and sets. You won't lift any heavier though. Just allows for more volume.

Creatine can make you stronger for those reasons exactly. More reps and sets are possible for some using Creatine. it worked a little for me, but when I used it I was at my maximum strength period so it wasn't that noticeable. HMB and a couple other EAS products did have me making obvious gains, especially back when they first came out in the early 90's, when I was 18 years into the weights. Creatine has the muscles holding more water, which has the pump remaining longer and muscle volume increasing.

45 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Except sitting on a bench to meditate is not much fun and is bad for your back. Walking to a gym or walking in general increases blood flow and is good for your back. Humans are nomads by nature.

Many things that aren't fun are good for you. I meditate because it improves my mental health and it isn't fun at all. Sometimes it can be relaxing and time goes by quickly but mostly it is something I force myself to do.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Dumbbells of the same weight as a barbell will give better results. This is why you can't lift the same amount with dumbbells than you can with a barbell. Balancing them makes your muscles work harder. The same with using a machine or barbell. A machine bench starts at a certain place, but a barbell you have to lift off the rack, bring to your chest (best results), then back up. You could take one hand off the machine and it won't fall, but balancing that barbell makes your muscles work harder, which is why free weights are the best for gains and symmetry.

That matters for bodybuilders and it's 1 or 2% but lots of them use machines more. Ordinary people need exercises they enjoy that are kind to shoulders. A machine press is better for shoulders that aren't 100%. You can use a neutral grip on a machine and even swap grips every set. On a chest supported row machine you have 3 different grip choices which is great to target different areas. Supersetting a chest supported row machine with chest machine is a great superset.

3 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Creatine does not make you stronger. It turns ADP into ATP which gives you energy for more reps and sets. You won't lift any heavier though. Just allows for more volume.

Creatine will help you get stronger if you also eat well, sleep enough, recover properly, and train consistently. It can will also increase muscle mass over time. In addition, creatine draws more water into the muscles, making them look and feel fuller.

😊 I can but smile when I see the same people, doing the same things. But they do not understand the correlation... 😊

5 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I use Soy protein (once a day -30g protein) that doesn't taste great but if a tasty version was 1% more expensive, I would buy the less tasty version. I down my glass in seconds and move on to something else. High volume runners need loads of protein or at least that is the popular believe at the moment :)

If you can find whey protein, it's the best source for gains. Egg or milk and egg are also good. Soy is also good. I've used them all at one time or another as an extra protein drink replacing a meal to lose fat, or extra calories when I was training hard. Now it's a good source to keep trim, with a banana or berries and almond milk unsweetened.