7 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

What about incoming,

As the guy in the video says, it's about $800 billion a year.

He's close. This link puts it at $839 billion for 2024-25.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/economy/government/taxation-revenue-australia/latest-release

7 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Australia is a major global supplier of fossil fuels, I would have thought the money coming in would balance outgoing.

How much tax do you think Gina, Twiggy, and Clive pay? They become billionaires selling what, in my opinion, should be a sovereign asset in which all Australians share in the sale of the asset, being iron ore, coal etc.

7 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Poor Georgie pays around 30 or 40 cents in every dollar he earns

Not just George, but millions of others, also.

So what do they get for their tax dollar, a $1 trillion debt, and increasing taxes. 😀

Edited June 1Jun 1 by KhunHeineken

The budget was so "fantastic" that a recent poll shows that One Nation is now the most popular political party in Australia. 🤣

8 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

You labour voters, re electing Albo should be ashamed of yourselves, he's destroying the Australia I was born in and grew up in.

It was destroyed long before Albo came along.

Successive governments, both Labor and Liberal, mismanaged the country.

8 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

The only one who can save us now is Pauline.

See previous post.

One Nation recently polled as the most popular party.

How dare this horrid women try to spoil the diversity

5 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

How dare this horrid women try to spoil the diversity

It's not about diversity.

The government has been allowing in too many migrants into Australia in recent years and it fuels the Australian housing market Ponzi scheme.

It's one thing to take in migrants that will do the jobs Aussies will not do, and expand the tax base, but there has to be accommodation for them, or the demand goes up for housing, which pushes up sale prices and and rents.

It wasn't just investors pushing up the property market, but also migrants.

The other problem is, the $1 trillion debt. Australia needs more tax payers to service the debt, but same issue, not enough housing to go around.

It's a hot potato for all political parties because they all know we need migrants for employment purposes, they all know we can't house them without overheating an already too hot housing market, and they know cutting immigration popular with the voting public.

The rule for foreigners buying houses used to be they could only buy/ build new. That has been abused and effectively they can buy anything. This is one reason people are paying over a million dollars for a very ordinary house. Most people are priced out of the market.

Thailand has the right idea.

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

It's not about diversity.

The government has been allowing in too many migrants into Australia in recent years and it fuels the Australian housing market Ponzi scheme.

It's one thing to take in migrants that will do the jobs Aussies will not do, and expand the tax base, but there has to be accommodation for them, or the demand goes up for housing, which pushes up sale prices and and rents.

It wasn't just investors pushing up the property market, but also migrants.

The other problem is, the $1 trillion debt. Australia needs more tax payers to service the debt, but same issue, not enough housing to go around.

It's a hot potato for all political parties because they all know we need migrants for employment purposes, they all know we can't house them without overheating an already too hot housing market, and they know cutting immigration popular with the voting public.

Also need to reign on spending. Bowen has spent over 150 million so he can be involved in the latest green love fest.

Let that sink in.

150 million.

Divide that by an average of, say, 30,000, which is about the tax paid on 100,000 dollar wage and you have the total tax paid by 5000 people to fuel his folly.

5000 people working for a while year to pay for this one adventure.

Kerry Pacher had it right. He said he doesn't avoid tax but will minimise it when he looks at how the government wastes it.

8 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

How dare this horrid women try to spoil the diversity

Where has diversity worked?

Why is it needed?

Most countries were better of without it. It has, and will always, exist, but people are finally saying they are sick of it being rammed down their throats.

And being taxed to the hilt for the pleasure of it.

22 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Thailand has the right idea.

What idea would that be?

Look at all the condo's "owned" by foreigners in the tourist areas?

22 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Also need to reign on spending. Bowen has spent over 150 million so he can be involved in the latest green love fest.

Let that sink in.

150 million.

Divide that by an average of, say, 30,000, which is about the tax paid on 100,000 dollar wage and you have the total tax paid by 5000 people to fuel his folly.

5000 people working for a while year to pay for this one adventure.

If Bowen didn't splash cash around on solar batteries, the cost of electricity would have gone from the already ridiculous, to unaffordable for most.

Also, without those hundreds of thousands of government subsidized solar batteries installed houses, there would have been rolling blackouts all across Australia, similar to what South Australia experienced a while ago.

All those natural resources in our own backyard, and we have some of the highest electricity prices in the world, and struggle to keep the light on. 🤣

22 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Where has diversity worked?

Why is it needed?

Most countries were better of without it. It has, and will always, exist, but people are finally saying they are sick of it being rammed down their throats.

And being taxed to the hilt for the pleasure of it.

Are you aboriginal? I'm guessing not. Therefore, aren't you part of Australia's "diversity?" It seems diversity worked out ok for you. 🤣

Edited June 3Jun 3 by KhunHeineken

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

If Bowen didn't splash cash around on solar batteries, the cost of electricity would have gone from the already ridiculous, to unaffordable for most.

Also, without those hundreds of thousands of government subsidized solar batteries installed houses, there would have been rolling blackouts all across Australia, similar to what South Australia experienced a while ago.

All those natural resources in our own backyard, and we have some of the highest electricity prices in the world, and struggle to keep the light on. 🤣

Nonsense.

If the Labor Green dream hadn't scared off investment in coal fired power stations, amongst other things, we would still have amongst the cheapest electricity in the world.

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

What idea would that be?

Look at all the condo's "owned" by foreigners in the tourist areas?

A drop in the ocean and has not added any pressure to housing prices locally..

Typical whataboutism.

Try to do better.

18 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Nonsense.

If the Labor Green dream hadn't scared off investment in coal fired power stations, amongst other things, we would still have amongst the cheapest electricity in the world.

Labor and The Greens didn't scare off investment in coal fired power stations. The coal fired power stations in Australia are aging, and need a lot of money spent on them, to the point it would be unprofitable, hence, the closure off Liddell, which could not be sold, or kept open.

Just last week they brought the chimneys down.

Some history in the below link. AGL, the owner, had to close the doors.

https://www.nine.com.au/australia-news/liddell-power-station-chimney-stack-demolished-20260526-p600r8.html

18 hours ago, emptypockets said:

A drop in the ocean and has not added any pressure to housing prices locally..

Typical whataboutism.

Try to do better.

Rubbish.

So Pattaya, for example, goes from a fishing village to a city, due to tourism, and that has had little effect on the price of housing for locals. Too funny. 🤣🤣

So many examples from Australia, also. Byron Bay comes to mind. Decades ago you could have bought in there for cheap, like many Mid North Coast towns in NSW, now, the median house price in Byron Bay is $2,870,000. This is due to tourism.

Do you think the grandchildren of the owners who lived in the area decades ago are able to afford to live in Byron Bay now????

https://www.realestate.com.au/nsw/byron-bay-2481/

20 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Labor and The Greens didn't scare off investment in coal fired power stations. The coal fired power stations in Australia are aging, and need a lot of money spent on them, to the point it would be unprofitable, hence, the closure off Liddell, which could not be sold, or kept open.

Just last week they brought the chimneys down.

Some history in the below link. AGL, the owner, had to close the doors.

https://www.nine.com.au/australia-news/liddell-power-station-chimney-stack-demolished-20260526-p600r8.html

Garbage. Government policy is the root cause. Owners won't spend money on maintenance in that climate.

7 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Garbage. Government policy is the root cause. Owners won't spend money on maintenance in that climate.

Complete dribble from you.

Any link/s?

Edited June 4Jun 4 by KhunHeineken

2 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Complete dribble from you.

Any link/s?

You need a link to the news?

Try reading more and arguing less.

I used to follow the Aussie aged pension thread and noted many posters became jaded with your constant bickering for bickerings sake.

I won't be part of that.

See ya sport.

3 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

You need a link to the news?

Try reading more and arguing less.

I used to follow the Aussie aged pension thread and noted many posters became jaded with your constant bickering for bickerings sake.

I won't be part of that.

See ya sport.

Fail.

just your political opinion, no facts presented.

Edited June 4Jun 4 by KhunHeineken

Back flips and u turns. 🙂

Not such a fantastic budget if you are selling a house.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/jun/30/house-prices-fall-capital-cities-australia-sydney-melbourne-adelaide-canberra

What a wonderful PM we have , a former left wing socialist trade unionist , he has helped everyone from the aged , LGBTQ, immigrants, to transexuals

Thankyou Mr Albanese

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

What a wonderful PM we have , a former left wing socialist trade unionist , he has helped everyone from the aged , LGBTQ, immigrants, to transexuals

Thankyou Mr Albanese

He's also helped himself along the way. 😂

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-15/anthony-albanese-buys-central-coast-property/104472726

On 7/6/2026 at 4:40 PM, KhunHeineken said:

He's also helped himself along the way. 😂

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-15/anthony-albanese-buys-central-coast-property/104472726

Perhaps you prefer Dutton, who managed to build up about $30 million in property development.

Or are you straining at a gnat, and swallowing a camel?

Edited July 11Jul 11 by Lacessit

10 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Perhaps you prefer Dutton, who managed to build up about $30 million in property development.

Or are you straining at a gnat, and swallowing a camel?

I'm a swing voter. Always have been.

Admittedly, like most Aussie expats, since moving to Thailand, I have not voted.

This is why I say both major political parties in Australia couldn't care less if their policies have a negative impact on expats, because they lose no votes from them.

Expats do not make their way to Australian Embassies to vote at election time.

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

I'm a swing voter. Always have been.

Admittedly, like most Aussie expats, since moving to Thailand, I have not voted.

This is why I say both major political parties in Australia couldn't care less if their policies have a negative impact on expats, because they lose no votes from them.

Expats do not make their way to Australian Embassies to vote at election time.

They don't have to. The way the DTA and Centrelink is structured, age pensioners can live in Thailand indefinitely, without needing to obey ATO residency rules.

OTOH, self-funded retirees do, or they risk getting caught by a 32.5% tax on their income.

That's what has been sticking in your craw for years, isn't it?

29 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

They don't have to. The way the DTA and Centrelink is structured, age pensioners can live in Thailand indefinitely, without needing to obey ATO residency rules.

OTOH, self-funded retirees do, or they risk getting caught by a 32.5% tax on their income.

That's what has been sticking in your craw for years, isn't it?

Do you see your own contradiction?

It was well discussed that the DTA ONLY covers "government service pensions." Articles 18 and 19 of the DTA. A Centerlink aged pension IS NOT a government service pension. It clearly states this. It's in black and white for all to see.

The aged pension is deemed an income. Black and white, for all to see.

The aged pension is taxable income. Black and white, for all to see.

The proposed changes to Australia's tax residency laws. Black and white, for all to see.

Are the current residency laws over 90 years old, yes. Black and white for all to see.

Liberal proposed the new residency laws. Labor progressed them to the consultation stage. Neither political party has binned them. Black and white, for all to see.

The proposed changes have a "bright line test" which is 183 days outside of Australia means non resident for tax purposes. No matter if you maintain a domicile in Australia. Black and white, for all to see.

Non resident tax rates are 30% from $0 to $135,000. Black and white, for all to see.

There is no tax free threshold in the non resident tax rates. Black and white, for all to see.

There are no exemptions for the aged pension in the proposed changes. Black and white, for all to see.

I have provided several links to all of the above.

Does Centerlink withhold supplements after 6 weeks outside of Australia, yes, they do. Therefore, does Centerlink have the ability to withhold the 30% non resident tax after 183 days outside of Australia, yes, completely possible, as they do with the supplements. In relation to the supplements, black and white, for all to see.

Your reliance on the DTA for the aged pension has been debunked.

This girl explains all of the above, perfectly, and crunches the numbers.

Getting back closer to the topic, the only thing fantastic about this budget was the proposed residency change were not passed. So, most continue to escape paying non resident tax due to very old loopholes in the very old laws. One must remember, it's a tax that expat pensioners should have already been paying for years.

The UK freeze pensions if the person moves overseas. Is it so impossible to think that instead of freezing pensions, Australia will have the ability to tax them in the future?

On 5/13/2026 at 8:27 PM, georgegeorgia said:

The Australian treasurer's budget last night

Absolutely beautiful.

Thankyou Mr Albanese for making Australia great

There seems to be no negatives, though only the rich landlord will not like it

Funding has been given to the Transexual community to encourage education through library book reading and that's a positive

But...it seems he did ignore my umpteen emails about stopping this silly rule on coming back to live in Australia for 2 years to get the aged pension ,oh please spare the emotion !

Are you saying that Australians have to live two years there after retirement to get an old age pension? To get OAP in Canada, one has to have lived in the country 18 years but they deduct 25% for overseas residents.

Good no library censorship!

22 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Are you saying that Australians have to live two years there after retirement to get an old age pension? To get OAP in Canada, one has to have lived in the country 18 years but they deduct 25% for overseas residents.

Good no library censorship!

Yes to qualify for the old age pension at 67 you must have lived / stayed in Australia the 2 years before you apply if you want to leave the country... ridiculous law

So your forced back to do a 2 year prison sentence before you can leave again

Edited July 12Jul 12 by georgegeorgia

36 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Do you see your own contradiction?

It was well discussed that the DTA ONLY covers "government service pensions." Articles 18 and 19 of the DTA. A Centerlink aged pension IS NOT a government service pension. It clearly states this. It's in black and white for all to see.

The aged pension is deemed an income. Black and white, for all to see.

The aged pension is taxable income. Black and white, for all to see.

The proposed changes to Australia's tax residency laws. Black and white, for all to see.

Are the current residency laws over 90 years old, yes. Black and white for all to see.

Liberal proposed the new residency laws. Labor progressed them to the consultation stage. Neither political party has binned them. Black and white, for all to see.

The proposed changes have a "bright line test" which is 183 days outside of Australia means non resident for tax purposes. No matter if you maintain a domicile in Australia. Black and white, for all to see.

Non resident tax rates are 30% from $0 to $135,000. Black and white, for all to see.

There is no tax free threshold in the non resident tax rates. Black and white, for all to see.

There are no exemptions for the aged pension in the proposed changes. Black and white, for all to see.

I have provided several links to all of the above.

Does Centerlink withhold supplements after 6 weeks outside of Australia, yes, they do. Therefore, does Centerlink have the ability to withhold the 30% non resident tax after 183 days outside of Australia, yes, completely possible, as they do with the supplements. In relation to the supplements, black and white, for all to see.

Your reliance on the DTA for the aged pension has been debunked.

This girl explains all of the above, perfectly, and crunches the numbers.

Getting back closer to the topic, the only thing fantastic about this budget was the proposed residency change were not passed. So, most continue to escape paying non resident tax due to very old loopholes in the very old laws. One must remember, it's a tax that expat pensioners should have already been paying for years.

The UK freeze pensions if the person moves overseas. Is it so impossible to think that instead of freezing pensions, Australia will have the ability to tax them in the future?

Centrelink determines the tax residency of pensioners, not the ATO. Once one has worked in the system for 35 years, that's it.

The ATO cannot have it both ways. The DTA with Thailand is quite specific, if the ATO decides I am a foreign resident, I have to be taxed in Thailand, not Australia.

Being taxed in Thailand will happen when Thai Immigration liaises with the TRD, which is sometime in the next aeon.

Google any AI- Gemini, Claude, or Grok, and they will tell the same story. You have been banging the tired old drum of "proposed tax residency changes" for years, without realizing your posts are as irrelevant as you are.

Edited July 12Jul 12 by Lacessit