19 minutes ago, Juggernaut X said:

Andrew Drummond is just another loser that arrived in Pattaya and tried to invent an income and failed. He represents all those Pattaya expats that arrived in Pattaya, tried to stay, lost, and now have their tail between their legs bitter at anyone who achieved more.

Drummond has been a low value under-achiever for most of his adult life, and deeply bitter and envious at any other man that is either successful and of higher value.

Does he write about women?

Does he write about general Thai or International news events.

No and No again. Its all about men he wish he could've been and the life he never had.

Who would want to trade places with Drummond at any time of his life? Eh? A awkward, out of shape, broke man lacking masculinity from 35yo until now at 75yo who now lives off taxpayers (who actually worked) to raise 3 teenagers alone as a single Father.

Who? Nobody.

No partner.

No Pattaya.

No money.

No assets.

Beating the drum about the person he promotes and never was when most 75yo are retired enjoying life, rather than gaggling about some obscure award that he only received and no-one else thereafter... where every article about him is self-written.

Additionally, Drummond supports a wide network of lowlifes, career criminals and losers, like Stephen Carpenter a career con-artist and like Drummond, another failed Pattaya expat:

Sir, have you heard about the Streisand effect and besides there's hardly anyone here anymore who cares. If you are who I think you are I would take it up with Mr Drummond in the British courts or otherwise leave it well alone.

'Expat underworld' sounds rather exotic but in reality there will always be a few undesirables in Pattaya, as there will be in Bangkok, London or New York, and elsewhere. Nothing to write home about.

3 hours ago, Juggernaut X said:

Andrew Drummond is just another loser that arrived in Pattaya and tried to invent an income and failed. He represents all those Pattaya expats that arrived in Pattaya, tried to stay, lost, and now have their tail between their legs bitter at anyone who achieved more.

Drummond has been a low value under-achiever for most of his adult life, and deeply bitter and envious at any other man that is either successful and of higher value.

Does he write about women?

Does he write about general Thai or International news events.

No and No again. Its all about men he wish he could've been and the life he never had.

Who would want to trade places with Drummond at any time of his life? Eh? A awkward, out of shape, broke man lacking masculinity from 35yo until now at 75yo who now lives off taxpayers (who actually worked) to raise 3 teenagers alone as a single Father.

Who? Nobody.

No partner.

No Pattaya.

No money.

No assets.

Beating the drum about the person he promotes and never was when most 75yo are retired enjoying life, rather than gaggling about some obscure award that he only received and no-one else thereafter... where every article about him is self-written.

Additionally, Drummond supports a wide network of lowlifes, career criminals and losers, like Stephen Carpenter a career con-artist and like Drummond, another failed Pattaya expat:

I get the overall impression you do not like him- he certainly seems to have a few unresolved issues to consider

33 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Well you don't have time to get up to any mischief old timer . ...your bum is stuck to the chair in front of the computer on this forum

Not all the time. Spouse and I are finishing up a 5-bedroom house we are building on the Darkside. Just back from checking the progress. It's our 24th project in Thailand since 2010, and our 5th house, which I designed, along with the two kitchens and all the other built-in furniture. Also have made 4 trips to Europe, 4 to China, 3 to Japan, plus a number of other countries. What have you been doing, besides pushing a mop and peeking in any open doorway you come across?

29 minutes ago, newnative said:

Not all the time. Spouse and I are finishing up a 5-bedroom house we are building on the Darkside. Just back from checking the progress. It's our 24th project in Thailand since 2010, and our 5th house, which I designed, along with the two kitchens and all the other built-in furniture. Also have made 4 trips to Europe, 4 to China, 3 to Japan, plus a number of other countries. What have you been doing, besides pushing a mop and peeking in any open doorway you come across?

A great putdown and reminds me of ;

On 5/19/2026 at 12:45 PM, The Cobra said:

Is Pattaya genuinely full of shady expat operators?

Yes, and always has been. The difference is the old guard were proper shady, deeply connected, well taken care of but genuinely decent sorts...as far as those sorts go. The newbie shysters are a bunch of amateurs. Nasty buggers too.

19 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Yes, and always has been. The difference is the old guard were proper shady, deeply connected, well taken care of but genuinely decent sorts...as far as those sorts go. The newbie shysters are a bunch of amateurs. Nasty buggers too.

I miss Tony ....his mansion near Rungland village is still for sale I think he wants 90 million for it.

Edited May 20May 20 by beautifulthailand99

I just watched this video.

The real story involves a 16-year-old who used a fake ID, was sent to the bar by the controversial organisation “The Exodus Road”, and later claimed coercion. Police received statements from the charity — not independent evidence of trafficking. In this video we expose how Drummond deliberately ignores all context and facts to push his false narrative. In the next chapter we take a deep dive into The Exodus Road and their motivations.

Edited May 20May 20 by save the frogs

29 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I just watched this video.

The real story involves a 16-year-old who used a fake ID, was sent to the bar by the controversial organisation “The Exodus Road”, and later claimed coercion. Police received statements from the charity — not independent evidence of trafficking. In this video we expose how Drummond deliberately ignores all context and facts to push his false narrative. In the next chapter we take a deep dive into The Exodus Road and their motivations.

This truth seems to be well hidden.

10 hours ago, Juggernaut X said:

Andrew Drummond is just another loser that arrived in Pattaya and tried to invent an income and failed. He represents all those Pattaya expats that arrived in Pattaya, tried to stay, lost, and now have their tail between their legs bitter at anyone who achieved more.

Drummond has been a low value under-achiever for most of his adult life, and deeply bitter and envious at any other man that is either successful and of higher value.

Does he write about women?

Does he write about general Thai or International news events.

No and No again. Its all about men he wish he could've been and the life he never had.

Who would want to trade places with Drummond at any time of his life? Eh? A awkward, out of shape, broke man lacking masculinity from 35yo until now at 75yo who now lives off taxpayers (who actually worked) to raise 3 teenagers alone as a single Father.

Who? Nobody.

No partner.

No Pattaya.

No money.

No assets.

Beating the drum about the person he promotes and never was when most 75yo are retired enjoying life, rather than gaggling about some obscure award that he only received and no-one else thereafter... where every article about him is self-written.

Additionally, Drummond supports a wide network of lowlifes, career criminals and losers, like Stephen Carpenter a career con-artist and like Drummond, another failed Pattaya expat:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1CszgJGsXt/

What has this rant of a VDO have to do with Drummond?

30 minutes ago, nauseus said:

This truth seems to be well hidden.

I just watched this one now.

He claims Andrew Drummond is a paid smear merchant.

Disgruntled investor Adam wanted a refund after Covid hit and ruined a bar business, so Adam went to Andrew to smear Bryan Flowers.

Could be. Many reporters are lying fiends.

Reporters can publish anything and make all sorts of false accusations. No one checks the validity of every statement. It's up the guy being accused to file a lawsuit after the fact. But by then, a lot of damage to someone's reputation has been done.

Who knows what to believe?

Edited May 20May 20 by save the frogs

10 hours ago, Juggernaut X said:

Andrew Drummond is just another loser that arrived in Pattaya and tried to invent an income and failed. He represents all those Pattaya expats that arrived in Pattaya, tried to stay, lost, and now have their tail between their legs bitter at anyone who achieved more.

Drummond has been a low value under-achiever for most of his adult life, and deeply bitter and envious at any other man that is either successful and of higher value.

Does he write about women?

Does he write about general Thai or International news events.

No and No again. Its all about men he wish he could've been and the life he never had.

Who would want to trade places with Drummond at any time of his life? Eh? A awkward, out of shape, broke man lacking masculinity from 35yo until now at 75yo who now lives off taxpayers (who actually worked) to raise 3 teenagers alone as a single Father.

Who? Nobody.

No partner.

No Pattaya.

No money.

No assets.

Beating the drum about the person he promotes and never was when most 75yo are retired enjoying life, rather than gaggling about some obscure award that he only received and no-one else thereafter... where every article about him is self-written.

Additionally, Drummond supports a wide network of lowlifes, career criminals and losers, like Stephen Carpenter a career con-artist and like Drummond, another failed Pattaya expat:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1CszgJGsXt/

@Juggernaut X So a new member/one post..obviously someone with an axe to grind or been caught out by one of his reporting stories....sad to see people like you.

Guys who have been around for a very long time know the good and bad sides of Pattaya, and only the names change, not the stories.

Edited May 20May 20 by couchpotato

46 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I just watched this one now.

He claims Andrew Drummond is a paid smear merchant.

Disgruntled investor Adam wanted a refund after Covid hit and ruined a bar business, so Adam went to Andrew to smear Bryan Flowers.

Could be. Many reporters are lying fiends.

Reporters can publish anything and make all sorts of false accusations. No one checks the validity of every statement. It's up the guy being accused to file a lawsuit after the fact. But by then, a lot of damage to someone's reputation has been done.

Who knows what to believe?

This is clearly a pointless beef Bryan Flowers may or may not be a succesful businessman I don't know and Andrew Drummond is basically banned from entering Thailand as I undertstand it. if Bryan is that sucessfull then take Andrew to court in the UK and let's see a legal resolution to this. Endless cheaply made AI videos don't alter that fact.

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Endless cheaply made AI videos don't alter that fact.

no the video isn't proof of anything.

2 different stories why Andrew is gone.

According to the Guardian, Andrew left thailand due to threats.

according to drummondwatch, he was convicted of defamation by thai courts.

https://www.drummondwatch.com/reports/drummond-disappearing-act-fugitive-status

I have no more time to follow this saga.

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I have no more time to follow this saga.

Probably the best thing written all day. And really and truly, who cares.

7 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

Probably the best thing written all day. And really and truly, who cares.

It's the police's job to chase down criminals.

Not the average citizen to try to decipher online gossip/allegations in the Daily Rag.

NDtvi has few with Bryan in............................one can make one's own minds up.....................

24 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Endless cheaply made AI videos don't alter that fact.

My last post on this.

I am quite certain that Andrew is a con artist.

The way it works in journalism is the media covers a crime story after the police steps in, not before.

For one thing, if you publish something before the police steps in, it gives the criminal time to flee.

He is creating stories for clicks and $$$, whether it's true or half-true he doesn't care whose reputation he damages.

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The way it works in journalism is the media covers a crime story after the police steps in, not before.

You mean the police that get paid for closing their eyes?

Why you think people exposed by Drummond, who lived the high life in Pattaya, are now not anymore here?

Drew Noyes - Kurt Svendheim, just to name two.

Google is your friend

5 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

You mean the police that get paid for closing their eyes?

ok, valid point

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

You mean the police that get paid for closing their eyes?

Why you think people exposed by Drummond, who lived the high life in Pattaya, are now not anymore here?

Drew Noyes - Kurt Svendheim, just to name two.

Google is your friend

Quite and others as well .......

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

He claims lots of stuff but never offers any proof.

9 hours ago, CallumWK said:

You mean the police that get paid for closing their eyes?

Why you think people exposed by Drummond, who lived the high life in Pattaya, are now not anymore here?

Drew Noyes - Kurt Svendheim, just to name two.

Google is your friend

Just watched the Bryan May interview above.

Seems like that charity might be trying to set up bar owners by planting underage girls with fake IDs ??? Couldn't quite catch what he meant by "bar owners being set up". It's possible the charity is corrupt because the more sex trafficking they report, the more funding they can get.

Not sure. Bryan hasn't been charged with anything and is still running his bar and has not fleed from Thailand.

Maybe some of the people Andrew was reporting on were guilty, but others it was false allegations.

Edited May 21May 21 by save the frogs

21 hours ago, Juggernaut X said:

Andrew Drummond is just another loser that arrived in Pattaya and tried to invent an income and failed. He represents all those Pattaya expats that arrived in Pattaya, tried to stay, lost, and now have their tail between their legs bitter at anyone who achieved more.

Drummond has been a low value under-achiever for most of his adult life, and deeply bitter and envious at any other man that is either successful and of higher value.

Does he write about women?

Does he write about general Thai or International news events.

No and No again. Its all about men he wish he could've been and the life he never had.

Who would want to trade places with Drummond at any time of his life? Eh? A awkward, out of shape, broke man lacking masculinity from 35yo until now at 75yo who now lives off taxpayers (who actually worked) to raise 3 teenagers alone as a single Father.

Who? Nobody.

No partner.

No Pattaya.

No money.

No assets.

Beating the drum about the person he promotes and never was when most 75yo are retired enjoying life, rather than gaggling about some obscure award that he only received and no-one else thereafter... where every article about him is self-written.

Additionally, Drummond supports a wide network of lowlifes, career criminals and losers, like Stephen Carpenter a career con-artist and like Drummond, another failed Pattaya expat:

Well, sounds like you are the man to tell the truth.

9 hours ago, save the frogs said:

no the video isn't proof of anything.

2 different stories why Andrew is gone.

According to the Guardian, Andrew left thailand due to threats.

according to drummondwatch, he was convicted of defamation by thai courts.

https://www.drummondwatch.com/reports/drummond-disappearing-act-fugitive-status

I have no more time to follow this saga.

You are the man of lose ends!

You trow out something, and then ? And you seems to believe, but do not believe, or do not know what to believe,

Proofs is something that do not comes easy, but to believe is easy

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Not sure. Bryan hasn't been charged with anything and is still running his bar and has not fleed from Thailand.

Maybe you should do more research instead of your usual trolling. Bryan Flower's wife has been in jail for underage sex trafficking

16 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Just watched the Bryan May interview above.

Bryan May?

5 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Maybe you should do more research instead of your usual trolling. Bryan Flower's wife has been in jail for underage sex trafficking

Ok, fair enough.

But I'm guessing a bar owner may not even be aware that a girl is underage.

How difficult can it be to get a fake ID?

Unless there is some other check that can be done to verify absolutely that the ID is not fake.

I don't know how it works.

Again, the video above claims:

The real story involves a 16-year-old who used a fake ID, was sent to the bar by the controversial organisation “The Exodus Road”, and later claimed coercion.

So the charities may be setting up traps to see if the bar owners will hire the underage girls. But are they even allowed to do that? Did the underage girl take customers? In that case, the charity The Exodus Road should also be charged with illegal activity?

Again, it's just allegations on both sides, so we don't know what happened. But why should this guy's allegations be ignored?

This is not a courtroom. We don't have all the facts, so need to look at all the data.

Edited May 21May 21 by save the frogs

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Bryan May?

Bryan Flowers?

Bryan May is the guitarist for Queen.

Lol. Sorry.

6 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Bryan May?

Guessing he meant Bryan Flowers, as I don't see any Bryan May but do know Brian May of Queen. Edit: Beat me to it

Edited May 21May 21 by fredwiggy