2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Not sure. Bryan hasn't been charged with anything and is still running his bar and has not fleed from Thailand.

It should be noted that Flowers is entrenched in Pattaya life and society, with a son, and with his wife mostly at the helm, business-wise I understand; not uncommon here and pretty much standard practice.....He states about her often in interviews on multiple YT videos in ref to court case(s)...................He also (not sure what proxy/company set ups he may or not have) has other large business enterprises, with new ventures in the making. He has/had the midas touch with keen investors, is clearly a very savvy operator, and is a serial business person. I doubt we'll see him running away from anywhere...........

On a side note........I do remember in Covid times on Soi 6 there was alot of press about the food charity his wife set up outside on the street. Handing out rice boxes etc......No idea how long it lasted.........some might call it greenwashing, others genuine charity, either way, alot of desperate people must have benefitted with the charity for a while........

As a Pattaya story, it has been quite intriguing to follow for a while......................

13 minutes ago, Off Piste said:

He has/had the midas touch with keen investors, is clearly a very savvy operator, and is a serial business person. I doubt we'll see him running away from anywhere...........

Yes, he seems highly ambitious and involved in some grandiose projects.

But the down side is that can complicate your life and lead to problems as well, enemies, people trying to take you down.

He said he stopped hiring foreigners in the bar because they were causing him problems.

This has nothing to do with Drummond, but a mysterious unsolved death of a bodybuilder in Pattaya.

One of his bodybuilder friends had a harem of girls living with him (hookers?) in Pattaya. And this Leo guy was abusive towards women and the other guy didn't like that he was abusing his women? Very bizarre story.

Edited May 21May 21 by save the frogs

On 5/19/2026 at 1:14 PM, AdrianUk said:

Drummond has harassed lots of innocent people over the last 10 years. He has been paid to attack people. Everything is documented here.

https://drummondhowellcampaign.com/

He went to the UK broke and to bring his kids up on benefits.

He has bullied many local news and has stuck up for criminals like luke Cook.

Has Cook been convicted of human trafficking like the wife of the CEO of the Nightwish group, Punnipa Flowers who is presently on bail after appealing a conviction of 3 years? Or how about bar manager William Reece Bolton of the same group and the same incident? Or the cashier that got 21 years?

What is the saying about stones and glass houses?

10 hours ago, nauseus said:

13 hours ago, save the frogs said:

He claims lots of stuff but never offers any proof.

Go to odysee.com and search “Bryan flowers”. You will get videos from both sides. And a lot of the clips will be from flowers now defunct YouTube channel (or it may have been his facebook live stream rants in his car) where he incriminated himself about how to set up companies in his wife’s name and her family’s name so that he doesn’t go down for anything.

Edited May 21May 21 by MadAtMatrix

14 hours ago, nauseus said:

This truth seems to be well hidden.

It is not. There is a campaign of misinformation directed at Mr. Drummond.

14 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I just watched this one now.

He claims Andrew Drummond is a paid smear merchant.

Disgruntled investor Adam wanted a refund after Covid hit and ruined a bar business, so Adam went to Andrew to smear Bryan Flowers.

Could be. Many reporters are lying fiends.

Reporters can publish anything and make all sorts of false accusations. No one checks the validity of every statement. It's up the guy being accused to file a lawsuit after the fact. But by then, a lot of damage to someone's reputation has been done.

Who knows what to believe?

Drummond's statements have been proven accurate. That is why he won his legal cases.

The criminal convictions, and nefarious activities of the criminal group who is targeting him are well documented. His accusers are scum.

On 5/19/2026 at 11:51 PM, Juggernaut X said:

Andrew Drummond is just another loser that arrived in Pattaya and tried to invent an income and failed. He represents all those Pattaya expats that arrived in Pattaya, tried to stay, lost, and now have their tail between their legs bitter at anyone who achieved more.

Drummond has been a low value under-achiever for most of his adult life, and deeply bitter and envious at any other man that is either successful and of higher value.

Does he write about women?

Does he write about general Thai or International news events.

No and No again. Its all about men he wish he could've been and the life he never had.

Who would want to trade places with Drummond at any time of his life? Eh? A awkward, out of shape, broke man lacking masculinity from 35yo until now at 75yo who now lives off taxpayers (who actually worked) to raise 3 teenagers alone as a single Father.

Who? Nobody.

No partner.

No Pattaya.

No money.

No assets.

Beating the drum about the person he promotes and never was when most 75yo are retired enjoying life, rather than gaggling about some obscure award that he only received and no-one else thereafter... where every article about him is self-written.

Additionally, Drummond supports a wide network of lowlifes, career criminals and losers, like Stephen Carpenter a career con-artist and like Drummond, another failed Pattaya expat:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1CszgJGsXt/

Ok, so you joined up just to make false claims. Your fabricated tales carry no weight. At some point, criminal activities catch up to the villains. They think they are so much smarter than they actually are. The reality is that they are guttersnipe pimps and conmen who pay off other local villains and are replaceable. Bugsy Siegel was bigger and tougher and thought he had control in Las Vegas. He ended up aerated by lead. Pattaya's foreign gangsters would do well to pay attention to the settling of accounts going on in Spain. Two self important senior members of Glasgow's Lyons crime clan, Eddie Lyons and Ross Monaghan, were terminated by a hitman who flew in from Liverpool. Their brains were splattered in Monaghan's Bar in Fuengirola on the Costa del Sol aka Costa del Criminal. It's only a matter of time before the farang Pattaya criminal gangsters push the local thugs too far. Having local gun molls and paying off crooked locals won't protect them.

14 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Drummond's statements have been proven accurate. That is why he won his legal cases.

I just looked at his Bio.

He is actually a serious journalist who has gotten people prosecuted with his work. He has a knack for uncovering dirt on people.

https://www.andrew-drummond.com/about/

The most famous of these was rock star Garry Glitter (real name Paul Gadd), whom he tracked down to a house in Vung Tau, Vietnam, leading to his prosecution by the authorities.

And he actually went undercover. This is entering FBI type territory. Do journalists usually go undercover?

Andrew is a holder of the Maurice Ludmer Memorial Award for investigations into racism and fascism, after he went undercover for two years in an extreme right-wing group with links to bombings across Europe.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Do journalists usually go undercover?

Not sure what country you are from but have you heard of Panorama?

Undercover exposes have been a thing for over 40 years......

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Bryan May?

He loves badgers I'm not so sure....

4 hours ago, MadAtMatrix said:

4 hours ago, MadAtMatrix said:

Go to odysee.com and search “Bryan flowers”. You will get videos from both sides. And a lot of the clips will be from flowers now defunct YouTube channel (or it may have been his facebook live stream rants in his car) where he incriminated himself about how to set up companies in his wife’s name and her family’s name so that he doesn’t go down for anything.

No. Won't. I was referring to the maker of these VDO's.

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

It is not. There is a campaign of misinformation directed at Mr. Drummond.

Again. From the VDO there is little of anything that can be seen as true or false. So if there is any truth it's well hidden.

21 hours ago, save the frogs said:

How difficult can it be to get a fake ID?

Unless there is some other check that can be done to verify absolutely that the ID is not fake.

Most ID pics look like some critter caught fearful in the headlights anyhow, borrowing an older sisters is an easy option too. One day perhaps a finger print scan will delve back into the records, for now, not.

On 5/19/2026 at 7:14 AM, AdrianUk said:

Drummond has harassed lots of innocent people over the last 10 years. He has been paid to attack people. Everything is documented here.

https://drummondhowellcampaign.com/

He went to the UK broke and to bring his kids up on benefits.

He has bullied many local news and has stuck up for criminals like luke Cook.

Drummond is retired on pension. He has never been paid to attack people. And never monetised his website for good reasons. Luke Cook was acquitted for drugs trafficking after Drummond exposed the principal witness.

21 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Yes, he seems highly ambitious and involved in some grandiose projects.

But the down side is that can complicate your life and lead to problems as well, enemies, people trying to take you down.

He said he stopped hiring foreigners in the bar because they were causing him problems.

Bryan Flowers has multiple bios on the net. All claiming he is a global entrepreneur. angel investoir, claiming to own law firms, property companies, rage fight academy , bulding a polo club. All tosh. Elsewhere he admits owning nothing. His lawyer has ensured it. So AMLO wont go after him. He is restructurng all the the time. He stopped hiring foreigners because his Flirt Bar in Pattaya was raided by ATIP (Anti Trafficking Police) and his British manager, a simple guy from Barrow in Furness was working like all the others illegally and while on education visas.

On 5/20/2026 at 4:17 PM, beautifulthailand99 said:

This is clearly a pointless beef Bryan Flowers may or may not be a succesful businessman I don't know and Andrew Drummond is basically banned from entering Thailand as I undertstand it. if Bryan is that sucessfull then take Andrew to court in the UK and let's see a legal resolution to this. Endless cheaply made AI videos don't alter that fact.

Drummond is not banned from Thailand. Flowers has failed to take Andrew Drummond to court. He tried. His law firm in the UK state 'He is no longer a client of ours'. I understand Drummond sent the law firm a big package. Bryan Flowers operates the traditional way, but on a more gandiose scale. Used to be a time bar owners offered 10 per cent shares in their bars for quite low figures. Flowers got 15 million baht off the Canadian investor according to Drummond's reports

On 5/20/2026 at 4:25 PM, save the frogs said:

no the video isn't proof of anything.

2 different stories why Andrew is gone.

According to the Guardian, Andrew left thailand due to threats.

according to drummondwatch, he was convicted of defamation by thai courts.

https://www.drummondwatch.com/reports/drummond-disappearing-act-fugitive-status

I have no more time to follow this saga.

I prefer the Guardian version against Bryan Flowers 555

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19 hours ago, MadAtMatrix said:

where he incriminated himself about how to set up companies in his wife’s name and her family’s name so that he doesn’t go down for anything.

that would be under-handed if it was done on purpose.

I wonder if the wife will hold a grudge when she gets out and turn into his enemy.

On 5/19/2026 at 7:59 PM, atpeace said:

I have no idea who he is or what he writes about. Been here 25 years!

Apparently you've been living here in Thailand under a rock for 25 years.🤣🤣🤣

This is a pointless thread, IMHO. The defamation laws in Thailand tend to favour those with the deepest pockets, and Andrew Drummond is not in Thailand. There are also numerous AI videos, seemingly emanating from Mr Flowers, making a one-sided case and, in the absence of Mr Drummond participating, it is all essentially hearsay.

That said, Pattaya is a place where you have to be connected and resourceful if you are to become successful, and I would have thought that keeping a low profile is part of that. Mr Flowers has put his side of the debate out on social media for those who care about it to make up their own minds.

My advice to him would be to leave it there. Least said, soonest mended or alternatively, pursue litigation aggressively in the UK. At the moment, he appears to be keeping the pot boiling, though to what end I’m not sure.

https://drummondhowellcampaign.com/evidence/pattaya-groups-incitement-may-2026

On 5/21/2026 at 1:11 PM, Patong2021 said:

Ok, so you joined up just to make false claims. Your fabricated tales carry no weight. At some point, criminal activities catch up to the villains. They think they are so much smarter than they actually are. The reality is that they are guttersnipe pimps and conmen who pay off other local villains and are replaceable. Bugsy Siegel was bigger and tougher and thought he had control in Las Vegas. He ended up aerated by lead. Pattaya's foreign gangsters would do well to pay attention to the settling of accounts going on in Spain. Two self important senior members of Glasgow's Lyons crime clan, Eddie Lyons and Ross Monaghan, were terminated by a hitman who flew in from Liverpool. Their brains were splattered in Monaghan's Bar in Fuengirola on the Costa del Sol aka Costa del Criminal. It's only a matter of time before the farang Pattaya criminal gangsters push the local thugs too far. Having local gun molls and paying off crooked locals won't protect them.

No fabricated tales here. No heavy lifting needs to be done when exposing Andrew Drummond who isnt even Scottish. Drummonds whole life began with a lie. Drummond was born in Copenhagen, not on British soil.

Nobody wants to be Drummond noow, before.. never.

Drummond is just like all the other failed expats in Pattaya that turned to crime to earn and income, invested their money somewhere and lost... then became horribly bitter at those who succeeded.

Drummond must be a special kind of <deleted> to Father 3 kids at 60 and not realise he had any capacity to financially support them... oh wait.. but then theres the British Taxpayer community who has paid his bills and pension since 2015 when he fled justice in Thailand.

On 5/22/2026 at 7:11 AM, Thai-Defender said:

Drummond is not banned from Thailand. Flowers has failed to take Andrew Drummond to court. He tried. His law firm in the UK state 'He is no longer a client of ours'. I understand Drummond sent the law firm a big package. Bryan Flowers operates the traditional way, but on a more gandiose scale. Used to be a time bar owners offered 10 per cent shares in their bars for quite low figures. Flowers got 15 million baht off the Canadian investor according to Drummond's reports

Drummond will never return to the Thailand due to the abundance of arrest warrants there.

If this is untrue, then Drummond simply needs to fly back to Thailand and proves everyone wrong.. but he wont.

Drummond has no money either. You would think his kids would like to return to see their Thai family.

On 5/22/2026 at 6:56 AM, Thai-Defender said:

Drummond is retired on pension. He has never been paid to attack people. And never monetised his website for good reasons. Luke Cook was acquitted for drugs trafficking after Drummond exposed the principal witness.

Luke Cook was charged with multiple offenses and pleaded guilty to all but the drugs charge.

Military weapons. Fire arms. Cooks Thai ex wife that masquerades as a fake lawyer is being prosecuted with 3 fraud cases, with 1 concluded and 2 in the courts process. Cook was a co-defendant in both of these cases.

On 5/21/2026 at 1:14 PM, save the frogs said:

I just looked at his Bio.

He is actually a serious journalist who has gotten people prosecuted with his work. He has a knack for uncovering dirt on people.

https://www.andrew-drummond.com/about/

The most famous of these was rock star Garry Glitter (real name Paul Gadd), whom he tracked down to a house in Vung Tau, Vietnam, leading to his prosecution by the authorities.

And he actually went undercover. This is entering FBI type territory. Do journalists usually go undercover?

Andrew is a holder of the Maurice Ludmer Memorial Award for investigations into racism and fascism, after he went undercover for two years in an extreme right-wing group with links to bombings across Europe.

Drummonds own narrative about himself.

How can you all be so naive to believe what his tobacco stained fingers type as truth?

Outside of Drummonds site, and outside of material provided by him... there is nothing, just an empty void.

Drummond could only wish of being in Pattaya like Bryan Flowers and other expats.

4 minutes ago, Juggernaut X said:

Drummonds own narrative about himself.

Yeah, bad idea to read his own bio.

From the articles I've read, it's clear he gets his rocks off trying to take people down and make people look bad.

Does anybody remember Washington Square, with the movie theatre, on Sukhumvit? There was a bar on the left side owned by a Yanq who was rumoured to be a spook. There were all kinds of shady characters in there. I was often one of them!

Wonder if Drummond ever wrote about that scene?

On 5/21/2026 at 1:47 PM, beautifulthailand99 said:

He loves badgers I'm not so sure....

I love beavers. I'm Canadian.

On 5/21/2026 at 11:15 AM, MadAtMatrix said:

Go to odysee.com and search “Bryan flowers”. You will get videos from both sides. And a lot of the clips will be from flowers now defunct YouTube channel (or it may have been his facebook live stream rants in his car) where he incriminated himself about how to set up companies in his wife’s name and her family’s name so that he doesn’t go down for anything.

Odysee is a pretty weird website. Though I can't find Bryan Flowers on there, there's a lot of fun, wacky, conspiracy <deleted> there!