On 5/20/2026 at 5:13 AM, beautifulthailand99 said:

Sir, have you heard about the Streisand effect and besides there's hardly anyone here anymore who cares. If you are who I think you are I would take it up with Mr Drummond in the British courts or otherwise leave it well alon

On 5/20/2026 at 4:51 AM, Juggernaut X said:

Andrew Drummond is just another loser that arrived in Pattaya and tried to invent an income and failed. He represents all those Pattaya expats that arrived in Pattaya, tried to stay, lost, and now have their tail between their legs bitter at anyone who achieved more.

Drummond has been a low value under-achiever for most of his adult life, and deeply bitter and envious at any other man that is either successful and of higher value.

Does he write about women?

Does he write about general Thai or International news events.

No and No again. Its all about men he wish he could've been and the life he never had.

Who would want to trade places with Drummond at any time of his life? Eh? A awkward, out of shape, broke man lacking masculinity from 35yo until now at 75yo who now lives off taxpayers (who actually worked) to raise 3 teenagers alone as a single Father.

Who? Nobody.

No partner.

No Pattaya.

No money.

No assets.

Beating the drum about the person he promotes and never was when most 75yo are retired enjoying life, rather than gaggling about some obscure award that he only received and no-one else thereafter... where every article about him is self-written.

Additionally, Drummond supports a wide network of lowlifes, career criminals and losers, like Stephen Carpenter a career con-artist and like Drummond, another failed Pattaya expat:

On 5/20/2026 at 4:51 AM, Juggernaut X said:

Andrew Drummond is just another loser that arrived in Pattaya and tried to invent an income and failed. He represents all those Pattaya expats that arrived in Pattaya, tried to stay, lost, and now have their tail between their legs bitter at anyone who achieved more.

Drummond has been a low value under-achiever for most of his adult life, and deeply bitter and envious at any other man that is either successful and of higher value.

Does he write about women?

Does he write about general Thai or International news events.

No and No again. Its all about men he wish he could've been and the life he never had.

Who would want to trade places with Drummond at any time of his life? Eh? A awkward, out of shape, broke man lacking masculinity from 35yo until now at 75yo who now lives off taxpayers (who actually worked) to raise 3 teenagers alone as a single Father.

Who? Nobody.

No partner.

No Pattaya.

No money.

No assets.

Beating the drum about the person he promotes and never was when most 75yo are retired enjoying life, rather than gaggling about some obscure award that he only received and no-one else thereafter... where every article about him is self-written.

Additionally, Drummond supports a wide network of lowlifes, career criminals and losers, like Stephen Carpenter a career con-artist and like Drummond, another failed Pattaya expat:

I lost you at Pattaya. Andrew Drummond has never ever lived in Pattaya. His home was in Bangkok on a lake and he had many parties there. He has nothing to be bitter about. He had a dream job. It took him to the USA, South America, Australia, Africa, India, all over south east Asia, Turkmenistan, Fiji. Christmas Island, Cocos and Keeling islands, abd more. What would attract him to Pattaya? However, I can think of a gentleman who arrived in Pattaya with £600 and is so bitter and twisted that he had to create 100 plus attack stories and 20 - and rising - AI videos, 55555.

11 hours ago, Thai-Defender said:

I lost you at Pattaya. Andrew Drummond has never ever lived in Pattaya. His home was in Bangkok on a lake and he had many parties there. He has nothing to be bitter about. He had a dream job. It took him to the USA, South America, Australia, Africa, India, all over south east Asia, Turkmenistan, Fiji. Christmas Island, Cocos and Keeling islands, abd more. What would attract him to Pattaya? However, I can think of a gentleman who arrived in Pattaya with £600 and is so bitter and twisted that he had to create 100 plus attack stories and 20 - and rising - AI videos, 55555.

You hit the nail on the head. In terms of a narcissistic personality, it must be impossible to accept blame and responsibility when a situation you think you have covered goes wrong, especially when it drastically affects your family.

Drummond merely publishing the facts of the case, all in the public domain, seems to have completely flipped a switch leading to this bizarre, unhinged, and rather pathetic smear campaign.

Is this now the 3rd thread started here attacking Drummond. Take some personal responsibility FFS. Sometimes you just aren't the smartest person you think you are.

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9 hours ago, kinyara said:

You hit the nail on the head. In terms of a narcissistic personality, it must be impossible to accept blame and responsibility when a situation you think you have covered goes wrong, especially when it drastically affects your family.

Drummond merely publishing the facts of the case, all in the public domain, seems to have completely flipped a switch leading to this bizarre, unhinged, and rather pathetic smear campaign.

Is this now the 3rd thread started here attacking Drummond. Take some personal responsibility FFS. Sometimes you just aren't the smartest person you think you are.

Third thread. That sounds like a conspiracy. I have only found two. This one and called Andrew Drummond and Adam Howell?

17 hours ago, Thai-Defender said:

Third thread. That sounds like a conspiracy. I have only found two. This one and called Andrew Drummond and Adam Howell?

Maybe it just feels like 3, or I'm looking into the future when these fizzle out and a new one is required. 😁

On 5/21/2026 at 2:27 AM, Off Piste said:

It should be noted that Flowers is entrenched in Pattaya life and society, with a son, and with his wife mostly at the helm, business-wise I understand; not uncommon here and pretty much standard practice.....He states about her often in interviews on multiple YT videos in ref to court case(s)...................He also (not sure what proxy/company set ups he may or not have) has other large business enterprises, with new ventures in the making. He has/had the midas touch with keen investors, is clearly a very savvy operator, and is a serial business person. I doubt we'll see him running away from anywhere...........

On a side note........I do remember in Covid times on Soi 6 there was alot of press about the food charity his wife set up outside on the street. Handing out rice boxes etc......No idea how long it lasted.........some might call it greenwashing, others genuine charity, either way, alot of desperate people must have benefitted with the charity for a while........

As a Pattaya story, it has been quite intriguing to follow for a while......................

I don't think you will find many of his videos up nowadays, including ones in which he admitted putting everything in the names of Thai nominees - 'so I do not go to jail'. Many of his claimed ownerships are not existence, or in the case of his wife whos name has bneen removed from the legal firms. His work permit was removed about the time of the court case in which three of his employees, sorry his wife's employees, were jailed for 21 years for trafficking a 16-year-old in one of his bars held in the name of a Thai nominee. The Midas Touch you refer to was to get people like Adam Howell to invest 15 million baht into his non existent Night Wish Company - something he does not dispute.

On 5/26/2026 at 2:14 PM, kinyara said:

Maybe it just feels like 3, or I'm looking into the future when these fizzle out and a new one is required. 😁

Third one went bye-bye.

On 5/20/2026 at 7:49 PM, NanLaew said:

Yes, and always has been. The difference is the old guard were proper shady, deeply connected, well taken care of but genuinely decent sorts...as far as those sorts go. The newbie shysters are a bunch of amateurs. Nasty buggers too.

So you are agreeing with Cobra that Pattaya has always been "full of" the types mentioned above.

Some exaggeration don't you think.

17 minutes ago, saintdomingo said:

So you are agreeing with Cobra that Pattaya has always been "full of" the types mentioned above.

Some exaggeration don't you think.

No. I don't think it's an exaggeration. It has been a haven for dodgy fooks since before I fronted up last century.

9 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

No. I don't think it's an exaggeration. It has been a haven for dodgy fooks since before I fronted up last century.

You are being cute.? Ignoring the meaning of "full of", there have been numerous dodgy types about but certainly not at least 90% of people in town which is what full of must mean.

No need for the average non -criminal types like myself to have any dealings with them.

1 hour ago, saintdomingo said:

You are being cute.? Ignoring the meaning of "full of", there have been numerous dodgy types about but certainly not at least 90% of people in town which is what full of must mean.

No need for the average non -criminal types like myself to have any dealings with them.

The metric you chose is "full of" which is open to personal interpretation. Yours is apparently 90%.

I am comparing Pattaya, where I lived for the best part of 22 years, to Udon Thani town, where I have lived for a total of about 12 years. Compared with Udon Thani, Pattaya most certainly is full of dodgy foreigners. The main difference between 1986 and 2026 is there's a whole lot more of them.

Many bar hopping expat underworld guys never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Very similar to the Murdoch Media.

On 5/19/2026 at 9:19 AM, Andy Harrow said:

Reporter guilty over ‘MacMafia’ claims

https://www.thetimes.com/travel/destinations/uk-travel/scotland-travel/reporter-guilty-over-macmafia-claims-p5wjpc60trp

Deliberate false information from the fictitious profile of 'Andy Harrow' who started this thread to attack a journalist who had just revealed the inner workings of a British run prostitution syndicate funded by foreign investors in Pattaya Thailand. Three 'employess/ of this syndicate were jailed last July for trafficking a 16-year-old into the sex trade. The boss of this syndicate has created multiple smear hubs and ASEAN NOW has allowed these to run on this site. Andrew Drummond was acquitted on appeal

The following peolle would find this objectionable.

‘Andrew Drummond is renowned for shining uncomfortable light into some of Thailand’s darkest places’ –

Shawn Crispin, Committee to Protect Journalists, New York.

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“Andrew Drummond has acted in the finest traditions of journalism and deserves the support of all journalists for his courageous reporting.”

– Steve Turner, President of the British Association of Journalists.

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“Drummond is simply irreplaceable. If he is forced to leave Thailand, the crooks will be free to continue their shakedowns and rip-offs, without scrutiny.”

Alan Morison, former senior Editor of ‘The Age’ and founder of Phuketwan. (2014)

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“Andrew Drummond tended to (sensibly) avoid covering the Thai monarchy, but his reporting on criminals in Thailand was brave and extremely dangerous, and as a result of his work, he also had to leave the country. He’s not on this particular list, which focuses on the monarchy, but he’d be on any list of the bravest and best foreign journalists reporting on Thailand.”

Andrew MacGregor Marshall, author of ‘Kingdom in Crisis’, former Bureau Chief Reuters, Afghanistan.

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“Andrew Drummond richly deserves this award, in itself a contribution against racism in Britain. Andrew’s articles reflected considerable courage and determination, perhaps the two qualities most needed in any assignments others might have discouraged.”

John Pilger, investigative journalist and with Peter Taylor of the BBC one of the professional judges on the panel which awarded Andrew Drummond the ‘Maurice Ludmer Memorial Award’ for Investigations into Racism and Fascism.

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Journalists like Andrew and Alan are in the same category as Charlie Hebdo, they are modest, albeit imperfect people, light years ahead of their adversaries, in terms of a moral compass.

Farang 88 on Phuketwan.

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“Andrew Drummond will always try to get to the truth, will always try and do his best for you, is not afraid to expose lies and cover ups even if it means putting his own life in danger.”

Sue Jones, mother of Kirsty Jones murdered and raped in Chiang Mai, August 2000.

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Thank God for Andrew and his courageous willingness to search for the truth, in defiance of the Thai authorities and consequently at no small risk to himself.”

Graham Arscott, father of Vanessa murdered ‘execution style’ by a policeman in Thailand.

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“One of the most exceptional journalists I have ever met. If it was not for Andrew my son’s murder would have been swept under the carpet in the corrupted Thai justice system’

Ernie del Pinto, father of Leo del Pinto, gunned down by a Thai policeman in January 2008.

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“We witnessed an ‘investigative’ journalist who helped us make sense of the maelstrom that we were a part of. To this day we have only gratitude for his clarity and his analysis.” –

Annie Hansen, mother of Jack Hansel-Bartel, student and victim of corruption in the police and justice system on the island of Koh Samui, Thailand.

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“Mr. Andrew Drummond, you are one person (the) world cannot do without. Thank you.”

Vanida Boongeon – wife of Jawad Rasheed Khan, murdered in Chaiyaphum, North East Thailand

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“Andrew Drummond has an excellent reputation both for his honesty and bravery in tackling subjects in south east Asia not adequately covered in the mainstream media.”

Sudarat Sereewat, Secretary General of the Foundation to Fight Against Child Exploitation.

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“Andrew advised me how to communicate with my government and how Thai Law works. He provided me with important documents and information about the case. All this information I used for a music video clip that we produced . The music clip described what happened to my daughter and was a cry for justice.

CK father of model viciously raped in Krabi, Thailand.”

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“Your departure is a great loss to Thailand, and I really can’t imagine who will step up to fill your shoes.”

Dr. Wyn Ellis, U.N, agricultural adviser and victim of institutionalised corruption in Thailand’s National Innovation Agency on my leaving Thailand.

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“Andrew, your personal involvement in my hellish dealings within the countries of Thailand and the Philippines, played a very key and instrumental role in myself, making it through a living hell on earth, and back out again alive.”

Stephen Sharpe ‘whistle-blower’ on Bangkok’s boiler room fraudsters, set up on false charges in Manila. Released after an enquiry by the Philippines Human Rights Commission prompted by media attention from Andrew Drummond

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“Mr.Drummond was a great friend to me in a scary time in my life I will always be in his debt and he will always have my loyalty.” –

Phillip Bean, whistleblower helped close down ‘Giannini’ boiler room in Bangkok.

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‘Andrew Drummond just won’t let go’

Colin Vard, victim of systematic fraud involving police and lawyers, and the courts in Thailand.

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“Andrew Drummond is always willing to go that extra bit just to help someone in need.”

David Scott arrested and victim of extortion in the Philippines for ‘adultery.

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“For all that has happened I thank Andrew Drummond for his tenacity, single mindedness in his attempts for justice and constant digging to get to the truth. Drummond was so concerned about the injustice in my case that he put his life on the line.”

Kevin Quill, victim of Thai police ‘frame-up’ in Pattaya.

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“Real attention and recognition is deserved is to the kind men who went out of their way to get a son and a father out of that unjust, unfair and truly inhumane place that is known as Pattaya Remand Centre.” –

Sinita Sudra, daughter of Jaysukh

(Jason) Sudra – jailed without trial in Pattaya, Thailand.

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“British National Andrew Drummond is the foremost Investigative Journalist in the Kingdom. In 2015, he’s now the foremost Investigative Journalist OUTSIDE of Thailand – he left the country in late 2014 after threats to his family. Drummond’s family was threatened because he exposes the Bangkok Boiler Room Boys for what they are.”

D Farang, author ‘The Boiler Room Boys of Bangkok’.

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“The smartest of the criminals use bribes to forge friendly relations with local officials, particularly the police, so they can continue operating unimpeded and remain “undetected” while in Thailand. Their palms amply greased, police and immigration officials turn a blind eye to their wrongdoings.

Police have even been accused of helping criminals and gangs rig false charges against their local rivals and anyone who dares shed light on their despicable doings.

British investigative journalist Andrew Drummond publicly alleged that Thai police were assisting foreign criminals in this way.

For his courage, he was forced to leave Thailand after two decades’ residency when the criminals threatened him and his family with injury or worse and the police refused to intervene.”

Straits Times Editorial August 4 2016.

On 5/19/2026 at 7:14 AM, AdrianUk said:

Drummond has harassed lots of innocent people over the last 10 years. He has been paid to attack people. Everything is documented here.

https://drummondhowellcampaign.com/

He went to the UK broke and to bring his kids up on benefits.

He has bullied many local news and has stuck up for criminals like luke Cook.

Drummond does not get paid to harrass evil doers. He does it willingly. What does bullied local news mean? Luke Cook ws acquitted of all charges. A warrant was issued for the arrest of the principipal witness Douglas Shoebridge for sex trafficking African women to Thailand. What is your evidence that Cook was guilty. What is you evidencet hat Drummond is broke and living on benefits. Are you a Flowers troll? 5555

Edited June 19Jun 19 by Thai-Defender

On 5/20/2026 at 8:51 AM, Legal Lifeline said:

I get the overall impression you do not like him- he certainly seems to have a few unresolved issues to consider

Considering that you call yourself legal lifeline perhaps you could state what you described as his unresolved issues.

On 5/20/2026 at 2:25 PM, save the frogs said:

I just watched this video.

The real story involves a 16-year-old who used a fake ID, was sent to the bar by the controversial organisation “The Exodus Road”, and later claimed coercion. Police received statements from the charity — not independent evidence of trafficking. In this video we expose how Drummond deliberately ignores all context and facts to push his false narrative. In the next chapter we take a deep dive into The Exodus Road and their motivations.

And you got all that from the horses mouth. It does not look like the court believed it. Well they would not - because no such evidence was given in court. The fake ID story, the claim that Exodus Road sent the girl to the bar were of course not mentioned.

On 5/20/2026 at 7:07 PM, nauseus said:

On 5/20/2026 at 3:28 PM, save the frogs said:

He claims lots of stuff but never offers any proof.

Name something he has not provided evidence for

On 5/20/2026 at 4:17 PM, beautifulthailand99 said:

This is clearly a pointless beef Bryan Flowers may or may not be a succesful businessman I don't know and Andrew Drummond is basically banned from entering Thailand as I undertstand it. if Bryan is that sucessfull then take Andrew to court in the UK and let's see a legal resolution to this. Endless cheaply made AI videos don't alter that fact.

Andrew Drummond is not basically, or any other way banned from Thailand. Flowers started his smear campaign after Police (UK) gave him the bums rush. and so did his legal firm. He complained they demanded £100,000 minimum

On 5/21/2026 at 2:27 AM, Off Piste said:

It should be noted that Flowers is entrenched in Pattaya life and society, with a son, and with his wife mostly at the helm, business-wise I understand; not uncommon here and pretty much standard practice.....He states about her often in interviews on multiple YT videos in ref to court case(s)...................He also (not sure what proxy/company set ups he may or not have) has other large business enterprises, with new ventures in the making. He has/had the midas touch with keen investors, is clearly a very savvy operator, and is a serial business person. I doubt we'll see him running away from anywhere...........

On a side note........I do remember in Covid times on Soi 6 there was alot of press about the food charity his wife set up outside on the street. Handing out rice boxes etc......No idea how long it lasted.........some might call it greenwashing, others genuine charity, either way, alot of desperate people must have benefitted with the charity for a while........

As a Pattaya story, it has been quite intriguing to follow for a while......................

The midas touch has been to get money off investors. Where is he now ? Argentina, Thailand, Cambodia? He's been whining recently from Coventry

4 hours ago, Thai-Defender said:

Andrew Drummond is not basically, or any other way banned from Thailand. Flowers started his smear campaign after Police (UK) gave him the bums rush. and so did his legal firm. He complained they demanded £100,000 minimum

I probably should have said it would be dangerous given the state of the rule of law in Thailand for Andrew to return and be in country.

Excessive AI content removed.

There's no need for gossip

But I must add doesn't Brian flowers own the Pattaya addicts forum ?

Look I can't say if it's the case or not as I was banned the first day on writing about statistics of dental signs in Pattaya sadly

18 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Look I can't say if it's the case or not as I was banned the first day on writing about statistics of dental signs in Pattaya sadly

Have you checked back?

I think they're still gossiping about you on that forum.