2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The drug war can't be won, but the gun war can?

Banging dope is just the next indicated step.

It's like Israel, they can't give up their violence. They've grown used to it, maybe even think they're doing good.

Same with Yanks. They're addicted to their guns. Even a true dictator couldn't take away America's guns. So the US population will have to just live in fear that they could be shot to death at any time.

Me? I'd prefer fentanyl...

13 minutes ago, TedG said:

This is illegal in some states.

The law, the law, the law. Gun owners are above the law, aren't they? "Some states". How would they catch you? At least until you tested it out by shooting somebody.

6 minutes ago, TedG said:

This was tired in Oregon, didn't work out so well.

Land of Freedom is sure an unfortunate misnomer.

7 minutes ago, TedG said:

What does this even mean?

Easy. NAME a statesman or -woman.

5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

It's like Israel, they can't give up their violence. They've grown used to it, maybe even think they're doing good.

Same with Yanks. They're addicted to their guns. Even a true dictator couldn't take away America's guns. So the US population will have to just live in fear that they could be shot to death at any time.

Me? I'd prefer fentanyl...

What I said was:

The drug war can't be won, but the gun war can?

Banging dope is just the next indicated step.

Why the dodge?

1 minute ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Land of Freedom is sure an unfortunate misnomer.

This is stupid for even you. Mass drug use is destructive to society. SOMeone I know at work a few years ago son died of an OD. Death is not beautiful as you claim.

18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

People that do not like guns just want to take them away from people that do like guns.

Four times as many alcohol related deaths as firearm related deaths.

60% of all reported incidence of domestic violence are alcohol related.

75% of all reported incidence of rape are alcohol related.

35% of gun suicides are alcohol related.

30% of gun homicides are alcohol related.

I don't drink, let's get rid of the booze.

"Like" something that has muzzle velocity is a pretty sick reason. Can blame alcohol, of course, but at least some of those examples involve guns. Govt really, really, really likes those booze taxes! Is the Trumpet tariffing Single-malt and French wines yet?

6 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

It's like Israel, they can't give up their violence. They've grown used to it, maybe even think they're doing good.

Same with Yanks. They're addicted to their guns. Even a true dictator couldn't take away America's guns. So the US population will have to just live in fear that they could be shot to death at any time.

Me? I'd prefer fentanyl...

I'm not addicted to my guns. they are tools for a sport. All Americans do not own guns. America is free, which is why they won't take our guns away. I lived near, and worked in, New York City, for 30 years, and next to San Antonio for 32, and never feared anything. Fentanyl is a very dangerous drug America is trying to get under control, by trying to stop it's import illegally.

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

This is stupid for even you. Mass drug use is destructive to society. SOMeone I know at work a few years ago son died of an OD. Death is not beautiful as you claim.

Okay, and what did that someone do to help his son before the OD. I'm betting, gave up. I have a friend in AB with an addict son; parents have given up...for years.

I opine that all drug use would actually decrease with legalisation. With "mass", you seem to be of the view that free drugs will just grow exponentially, and out of control.

14 minutes ago, novacova said:

It figures, have personally never used that term to describe firearms other than in a discussion like this. Always associated it with the anti gun crowd along with their other SS antics.

Secret Service?

4 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

"Like" something that has muzzle velocity is a pretty sick reason. Can blame alcohol, of course, but at least some of those examples involve guns. Govt really, really, really likes those booze taxes! Is the Trumpet tariffing Single-malt and French wines yet?

So, you do not care about the ruined lives, like all leftists, it's the money.

3 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Okay, and what did that someone do to help his son before the OD. I'm betting, gave up. I have a friend in AB with an addict son; parents have given up...for years.

I opine that all drug use would actually decrease with legalisation. With "mass", you seem to be of the view that free drugs will just grow exponentially, and out of control.

Drug use would decrease with what kind of legislation, capital punishment for first offenders?

25 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

My children have all been raised around guns,and some have hunted. they know full well how to handle a gun and the responsibilities of one. Art is made by many people in all areas. I don't have the talent to make a gun ( I think). A legitimate gun owner is one like myself that uses them for hunting and target shooting, along with self defense. A semi auto is good for a possible follow up shot at game if the first didn't stop it, so it doesn't get away and suffer a slow death. target shooting with semis is a fun sport, but not one I do.

Ah, okay: "self-defence". Exactly, from whom have you defended yourself? If you have not, do you anticipate it an the future? And from whom?

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, you do not care about the ruined lives, like all leftists, it's the money.

Only pols care about the money, Dude. Ex. Dear Leader.

5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Okay, and what did that someone do to help his son before the OD. I'm betting, gave up. I have a friend in AB with an addict son; parents have given up...for years.

I opine that all drug use would actually decrease with legalisation. With "mass", you seem to be of the view that free drugs will just grow exponentially, and out of control.

Legalization would mean more would get drugs easier, which means more overdoses as many are afraid of being busted now.

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What I said was:

The drug war can't be won, but the gun war can?

Banging dope is just the next indicated step.

Why the dodge?

No dodge. I stated that the gun war will never be won in the US, even under a true dictator.

2 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Ah, okay: "self-defence". Exactly, from whom have you defended yourself? If you have not, do you anticipate it an the future? And from whom?

No one yet, and hopefully none later. I don't have any handguns but will buy two when we return. One for deer and one for self defense, carried when I'm visiting certain areas.

6 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

No dodge. I stated that the gun war will never be won in the US, even under a true dictator.

How will the drug war be won?

8 hours ago, Priorexpat said:

Doesn't matter, that's not how the 2nd was written.

The Supreme Court disagrees. Thats their job, they know more than you, so you lose.

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I asked you to support your claim that: "Guns have been the leading cause of death among younger Americans (aged 1–19) since 2020, according to CDC data.", yet you never provided the data.

I also asked if the data specified what percentage of the gun deaths were suicides, and you have not responded to that.

I believe that you do not like guns, and would like them taken away from the people that do like guns, is that correct?

Apologies, it is my responsibility to provide evidence for my claim.

The CDC states:
'Injuries and deaths from firearms impact many children and teens, their families, and their communities in the United States. Taking into account all types of firearm injuries, including homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries, firearm injuries were the leading cause of death among children and teens ages one to 19 in 2020 and 2021'.

Please note that I referenced the total figure and did not make a separate claim regarding suicide.

Nice try at moving the goalposts — my personal opinions on gun ownership are not relevant here.

https://www.cdc.gov/firearm-violence/php/research-summaries/children-and-teen-impacts.html

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I asked you to support your claim that: "Guns have been the leading cause of death among younger Americans (aged 1–19) since 2020, according to CDC data.", yet you never provided the data.

I also asked if the data specified what percentage of the gun deaths were suicides, and you have not responded to that.

I believe that you do not like guns, and would like them taken away from the people that do like guns, is that correct?

Apologies, it is my responsibility to provide evidence for my claim.

The CDC states:
'Injuries and deaths from firearms impact many children and teens, their families, and their communities in the United States. Taking into account all types of firearm injuries, including homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries, firearm injuries were the leading cause of death among children and teens ages one to 19 in 2020 and 2021'.

Please note that I referenced the total figure and did not make a separate claim regarding suicide.

Nice try at moving the goalposts — my personal opinions on gun ownership are not relevant here.

https://www.cdc.gov/firearm-violence/php/research-summaries/children-and-teen-impacts.html

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No one yet, and hopefully none later. I don't have any handguns but will buy two when we return. One for deer and one for self defense, carried when I'm visiting certain areas.

Yeah I have been studying the gun world myself after years away. No sense having 10 P 08s in a safe while living in Thailand, better to sell them and use the cash. Prices are stupid these days.

I wont get back into all sorts of toys, just a basic kit: Seecamp for back pocket, a 1911 or two, 357 or 44 revolver depending on where I end up, Colt M4, good bolt gun. My last two hunting guns were a Winchester 54 and a Sako AV, Id probably just get similar.

Oh and a .22 4 inch S&W 18

Edited June 4Jun 4 by Yagoda

10 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Apologies, it is my responsibility to provide evidence for my claim.

The CDC states:
'Injuries and deaths from firearms impact many children and teens, their families, and their communities in the United States. Taking into account all types of firearm injuries, including homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries, firearm injuries were the leading cause of death among children and teens ages one to 19 in 2020 and 2021'.

Please note that I referenced the total figure and did not make a separate claim regarding suicide.

Nice try at moving the goalposts — my personal opinions on gun ownership are not relevant here.

https://www.cdc.gov/firearm-violence/php/research-summaries/children-and-teen-impacts.html

"Suicide accounts for approximately 20% to 22% of all deaths among adolescents and young people. It ranks as the second or third leading cause of death for children and teens ages 10 to 19, closely following unintentional injuries and homicides."

So, if you remove gun suicides from the gun related deaths, the leading cause would again me accidents.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db509.htm

Edited June 4Jun 4 by Yellowtail
forgot the link

10 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Apologies, it is my responsibility to provide evidence for my claim.

The CDC states:
'Injuries and deaths from firearms impact many children and teens, their families, and their communities in the United States. Taking into account all types of firearm injuries, including homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries, firearm injuries were the leading cause of death among children and teens ages one to 19 in 2020 and 2021'.

And ~40000 traffic deaths every year and ~700000 deaths every year from diet related diseases and illnesses, all preventable for the most part without infringing on anybody’s birthright. So why not first put up a fuss about those two issues? This is just a subject that gets inflamed by the media hysterics. And it would probably be a good idea to let law enforcement do their job in the blue communities.

On 6/3/2026 at 5:06 PM, Yellowtail said:

In 1980, the percentage of adults living in households with guns peaked at nearly 54%. Over the last few decades, this figure has declined and plateaued, with current estimates showing about 35% to 43% of households possessing at least one firearm."

But it's the guns don't cha know

vpc.org/studies/ownership.pdf

You have repeatedly asked me to support my claims, and I have done so in good faith.
Yet, the link you provided here doesn't actually back up the basis of your own post.
It feels a bit inconsistent to demand strict proof from me, only to offer a seemingly contrived narrative and numbers that your own source fails to support.

9 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

You have repeatedly asked me to support my claims, and I have done so in good faith.
Yet, the link you provided here doesn't actually back up the basis of your own post.
It feels a bit inconsistent to demand strict proof from me, only to offer a seemingly contrived narrative and numbers that your own source fails to support.

I asked you to support the same claim repeatedly, and only after each time you failed two. You even clipped my request from my post that you responded to. Thank you for supporting your claim.

What is in my claim that my source does not support? From my linked source:

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

No one yet, and hopefully none later. I don't have any handguns but will buy two when we return. One for deer and one for self defense, carried when I'm visiting certain areas.

Maybe just use common sense and NOT go to those places???

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah I have been studying the gun world myself after years away. No sense having 10 P 08s in a safe while living in Thailand, better to sell them and use the cash. Prices are stupid these days.

I wont get back into all sorts of toys, just a basic kit: Seecamp for back pocket, a 1911 or two, 357 or 44 revolver depending on where I end up, Colt M4, good bolt gun. My last two hunting guns were a Winchester 54 and a Sako AV, Id probably just get similar.

Oh and a .22 4 inch S&W 18

Don't forget the bone-saw, Yag. Eat watcha kill, long pig, hear it's tasty. I bet they're battery like a drill by now. I've used both the manual and plug-in kind.

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

"Suicide accounts for approximately 20% to 22% of all deaths among adolescents and young people. It ranks as the second or third leading cause of death for children and teens ages 10 to 19, closely following unintentional injuries and homicides."

So, if you remove gun suicides from the gun related deaths, the leading cause would again me accidents.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db509.htm

Deaf-lection.

Well, boys, it's been a bang-up. But I'll never convince you you been had.

I'll leave you with Ralphie's Mom: "You'll shoot your eye out!"