1 hour ago, baansgr said:

"From the river to the sea"..that's enough hate to incite violence, which it has with the amount of stabbings and attacks on the Jewish community

It’s sounds much better when it’s phrased as ‘Greater Israel’ don’t you think?!

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Which is something I've never done.

I've said many times that both sides have credible narratives.

I don’t see you generalizing the hatred coming out of the mouths of some Israelis in the same manners as you generalize the hatred coming out of the mouths of some supporters of Palestinians.

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

No, protesting against Nuclear weapons and oil pipelines will not get you arrested

Precisely.

Which explains the high court ruling against the UK Government’s proscription of Palestine Action.

56 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t see you generalizing the hatred coming out of the mouths of some Israelis in the same manners as you generalize the hatred coming out of the mouths of some supporters of Palestinians.

I will respond this way.

I've observed that the vast majority of Palestinians will never accept the existence of Israel.

So for their narrative to win, Israeli Jews must leave or be murdered if they won't.

They don't have the power to do that, but that's clearly what they would do with their power if they had it. Israel's job is to make sure they never have that power as Israeli Jews may be a lot of things, but being suicidal isn't one of them.

On the other hand, it's very clear that the vast majority of Israeli Jews would be willing to live in peace side by side with Palestinians IF the anti-Jewish genocidal narrative of the Palestinian side changed to PERMANENT acceptance of the existence of Israeli.

People talk about genocide of Arabs by Israel but since 1948 Israel which itself includes 20 percent Arabs, has seen the neighboring Arab population multiply very dramatically. Yes, much faster than Jews.

If the Israeli Jews intention is genocide, they are really crap at it.

Considering how advanced Israeli in so many things, its reasonable to conclude that collectively they don't actually have genocidal intentions.

You will probably try to deny and/or sugar coat this depressing reality, but you'd be wrong.

Edited June 9Jun 9 by Jingthing

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Precisely.

Which explains the high court ruling against the UK Government’s proscription of Palestine Action.

Wow, not sure I follow at all! While protesting with a sign won't get you arrested and also won't stop nukes or pipelines, effective protest such as entering a nuclear reservation or oil depot or chaining the gates shut or sitting in front of arms trains will.

To stop such protest, govts are starting to charge these as "domestic terrorism".

I should point out that, of course, no, such protest doesn't stop such predations cold. But even a few hours is a help.

2 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Wow, not sure I follow at all! While protesting with a sign won't get you arrested and also won't stop nukes or pipelines, effective protest such as entering a nuclear reservation or oil depot or chaining the gates shut or sitting in front of arms trains will.

You would be getting arrested for criminal damage or trespass or causing an obstruction .

For your consideration:

A bit off topic, but at least related to Israel so good enough right?

Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe. And he compares Rhodesia to Israel because they were oppressing the blacks and had the support of England. But when England cut off support, it eventually collapsed and it was taken over by the blacks who were being oppressed.

Shaeil Ben-Ephraim is a former Zionist and geopolitical analyst who spent years studying the Israeli political system from the inside. In this clip from the Danny Jones Podcast, he lays out what would happen to Israel if American support dried up — and why 2028 could be the turning point. From military dependence to diplomatic isolation, Shaeil explains why Israel's future without the US looks a lot like Rhodesia's past.

Edited June 9Jun 9 by save the frogs

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

For your consideration:

Yes, some people on here have asked why don't Arab countries let the Palestinians in.

Regarding apartheid of Palestinians in Lebanon, I never heard about it. Probably because apartheid is not as bad as apartheid + murder so it's not getting much media coverage.

But still, the stuff he brings up doesn't justify what Israel is doing.

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

The problem arose because some of them were holding signs supporting HAMAS and some were holding signs “From the River to the sea”.

I’m sure most of those doing that didn’t understand precisely what they were doing.

Good intentions but poor execution.

Why would you assume they did not know what supporting Hamas, or "From the River to the sea" means, are they all stupid people carrying signs they do not understand?

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Wow, not sure I follow at all! While protesting with a sign won't get you arrested and also won't stop nukes or pipelines, effective protest such as entering a nuclear reservation or oil depot or chaining the gates shut or sitting in front of arms trains will.

To stop such protest, govts are starting to charge these as "domestic terrorism".

I should point out that, of course, no, such protest doesn't stop such predations cold. But even a few hours is a help.

Protesting should be legal. Harassing people and blocking sidewalks, traffic, bridges and businesses should not be legal.

26 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I was being humorous. You didn't appreciate it. That's out of my control.

I will respond this way.

I've observed that the vast majority of Palestinians will never accept the existence of Israel.

So for their narrative to win, Israeli Jews must leave or be murdered if they won't.

They don't have to power to do that, but that's clearly what they would do with their power if they had it.

On the other hand, it's very clear that the vast majority of Israeli Jews would be willing to live in peace side by side with Palestinians IF the anti-Jewish genocidal narrative of the Palestinian side changed to acceptance of the existence of Israeli.

People talk about genocide of Arabs by Israel but since 1948 Israel which itself included 20 percent Arabs, has seen the neighboring Arab population multiply very dramatically. Yes, much faster than Jews.

If the Israeli Jews intention is genocide, they are really crap at it.

Considering how advanced Israeli in so many things, its reasonable to conclude that collectively they don't actually have genocidal intentions.

You will probably try to deny and/or sugar coat this depressing reality, but you'd be wrong.

You're wriggling, Jing. A very small percent of Israelis want Arabs to exist. The West Bank is a perfect example.

Somebody has to start first, don't they? I would always suggest that the more powerful do so--it's called humility.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

A bit off topic, but at least related to Israel so good enough right?

Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe. And he compares Rhodesia to Israel because they were oppressing the blacks and had the support of England. But when England cut off support, it eventually collapsed and it was taken over by the blacks who were being oppressed.

Shaeil Ben-Ephraim is a former Zionist and geopolitical analyst who spent years studying the Israeli political system from the inside. In this clip from the Danny Jones Podcast, he lays out what would happen to Israel if American support dried up — and why 2028 could be the turning point. From military dependence to diplomatic isolation, Shaeil explains why Israel's future without the US looks a lot like Rhodesia's past.

And their ceaseless violence brought it on themselves.

6 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

And their ceaseless violence brought it on themselves.

that's for metaphysical discussions

15 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

You're wriggling, Jing. A very small percent of Israelis want Arabs to exist. The West Bank is a perfect example.

Somebody has to start first, don't they? I would always suggest that the more powerful do so--it's called humility.

And their ceaseless violence brought it on themselves.

What a load of inflammatory garbage.

If only a tiny percentage of Israeli Jews want Arabs to exist, why does Israel include 20 percent Arabs.

One small point of agreement with you and the video. It would give a little bit of hope if Israel starting to make trust building actions now when they do have power. I don't actually think that would work to bring peace but it's the only hope. No. Israel won't do that, that is true. You see I can be objective and honest. You can't! It's all black and white to you.

BTW, that video coincidentally shows FULL agreement on what I posted before about the Palestinian narrative.

To wit:

I've observed that the vast majority of Palestinians will never accept the existence of Israel.

So for their narrative to win, Israeli Jews must leave or be murdered if they won't.

They don't have the power to do that, but that's clearly what they would do with their power if they had it.

I don't believe that the USA will cut off Israel 100 percent in the forseeable future but yes there will be an adjustment in the relationship and there should be.

Edited June 9Jun 9 by Jingthing

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So not enough dead Jews yet for your liking.

You cannot commit genocide in Gaza, invade Lebanon, bomb Iran, Syria, Yemen, and Iraq, violate Geneva and Vienna Conventions, international law, human rights, and state sovereignty, then keep hiding behind anti-semitism.

There is no rise in anti-Semitism.

There is a rise in the number of people who are noticing and very angry at what israel and the so-called jews are doing.

1 minute ago, Tourist2 said:

You cannot commit genocide in Gaza, invade Lebanon, bomb Iran, Syria, Yemen, and Iraq, violate Geneva and Vienna Conventions, international law, human rights, and state sovereignty, then keep hiding behind anti-semitism.

There is no rise in anti-Semitism.

There is a rise in the number of people who are noticing and very angry at what israel and the so-called jews are doing.

In the same post this clown says there is no rise in racist Jew hatred and then says "sp-called" Jews.

What are we supposed to call Jews?

28 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What a load of inflammatory garbage.

If only a tiny percentage of Israeli Jews want Arabs to exist, why does Israel include 20 percent Arabs.

One small point of agreement with you and the video. It would give a little bit of hope if Israel starting to make trust building actions now when they do have power. I don't actually think that would work to bring peace but it's the only hope. No. Israel won't do that, that is true. You see I can be objective and honest. You can't! It's all black and white to you.

BTW, that video coincidentally shows FULL agreement on what I posted before about the Palestinian narrative.

To wit:

I've observed that the vast majority of Palestinians will never accept the existence of Israel.

So for their narrative to win, Israeli Jews must leave or be murdered if they won't.

They don't have the power to do that, but that's clearly what they would do with their power if they had it.

I don't believe that the USA will cut off Israel 100 percent in the forseeable future but yes there will be an adjustment in the relationship and there should be.

Thanks, Jing. I am somewhat objective on Israel, mostly due to the Peace Summit. Those 20% Arabs are tolerated because they shut up and toe the line no matter what they really believe--who knows.

What's black-and-white to me has nothing to do with Israelis and Palestinians or Lebanese or Iranians. What's black-and-white to me is war. Violence increasing human suffering.

I can't speak out on everything. Israel's aggression was so obvious, I've chosen their wars to speak out about.

You may not believe me, you may think I'm an antisemite at heart. Israelis are there,; the homeland won't disappear, people were born there. But for Israel to survive as an honourable nation, part of the world community, it has to find some route to make peace with its neighbours.

One way would be to be civilised to Gazans, provide adequate food, clean water and shelter while rebuilding what the IDF has destroyed. Give those Gazans jobs and pay them, preferable working alongside IDF troops who are no longer needed for aggression.

Is Hamas in hiding for the present? Maybe to probably. Perhaps a solution would be to let Hamas be a political party as Hezbollah is in Lebanon and give up its militancy.

For this to happen, a good faith gesture by Qatar would be to stop funding them and sheltering their leadership. Why has Israel not made diplomatic overtures about this? Similarly, for Iran to cut off all funding for Hezbollah's military wing. Would both wither on the vine? We just don't know until these options are explored in good faith. So far, Israel has demonstrated little to no good faith. Even Iran might be willing to listen to reason and save some money. But it all depends on good faith, on somebody to start first. That should be Israel.

Another good faith gesture would be restoring the Palestinian boundaries, preferably to 1948. If not, 1967.

Again, remove the violent colonists and their state-sponsored terrorist military and police back to Israel. Drop the checkpoints. Make Palestine not occupied any more except by the people who belong there. What's there to lose?

Yes, there might be violence against Israel but there is now, too, so nothing to lose.

Lebanon has been emasculated. It is not an effective state, though its leadership seem competent and compassion.

33 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

In the same post this clown says there is no rise in racist Jew hatred and then says "sp-called" Jews.

What are we supposed to call Jews?

This is niggling, Jing. Of course, he means Jews. What else to call them?!? In your opinion, has their been a significant rise in anti-semitism. Stats, please. And do you think this rise has to do with Israel's pre-emptive aggression?

10 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

This is niggling, Jing. Of course, he means Jews. What else to call them?!? In your opinion, has their been a significant rise in anti-semitism. Stats, please. And do you think this rise has to do with Israel's pre-emptive aggression?

Troll bait ignored.

20 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

This is niggling, Jing. Of course, he means Jews. What else to call them?!? In your opinion, has their been a significant rise in anti-semitism. Stats, please. And do you think this rise has to do with Israel's pre-emptive aggression?

Revelation 2:9ers are European - zero semetic blood - they're converts to a faith they don't follow.

You cannot commit genocide in Gaza, invade Lebanon, bomb Iran, Syria, Yemen, and Iraq, violate Geneva and Vienna Conventions, international law, human rights, and state sovereignty, then keep hiding behind anti-semitism.

There is no rise in anti-Semitism.

There is a rise in the number of people who are noticing and very angry at what israel and the so-called jews are doing.

And as for gnashing your teeth about Aunty Semi-tism,
It's a trick. They always use it whenever anyone criticises israel or jews.

The number one reason for people calling them out is their behaviour.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I will respond this way.

I've observed that the vast majority of Palestinians will never accept the existence of Israel.

So for their narrative to win, Israeli Jews must leave or be murdered if they won't.

They don't have the power to do that, but that's clearly what they would do with their power if they had it. Israel's job is to make sure they never have that power as Israeli Jews may be a lot of things, but being suicidal isn't one of them.

On the other hand, it's very clear that the vast majority of Israeli Jews would be willing to live in peace side by side with Palestinians IF the anti-Jewish genocidal narrative of the Palestinian side changed to PERMANENT acceptance of the existence of Israeli.

People talk about genocide of Arabs by Israel but since 1948 Israel which itself includes 20 percent Arabs, has seen the neighboring Arab population multiply very dramatically. Yes, much faster than Jews.

If the Israeli Jews intention is genocide, they are really crap at it.

Considering how advanced Israeli in so many things, its reasonable to conclude that collectively they don't actually have genocidal intentions.

You will probably try to deny and/or sugar coat this depressing reality, but you'd be wrong.

Meanwhile the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza is openly promoted by members of the Israeli Government while the illegal establishment of settlements in the west bank is an official Israeli policy.

The PM of Israel has stated there will never be a Palestinian state.

There are others within the Israeli Government who are very much more rabid in their remarks.

“On the other hand, it's very clear that the vast majority of Israeli Jews would be willing to live in peace side by side with Palestinians IF the anti-Jewish genocidal narrative of the Palestinian side changed to PERMANENT acceptance of the existence of Israeli.”

I’m not convinced that is the view of the majority of Jews in Israel.

And please genocide is not a bargaining chip, well perhaps it is in the minds of those who regard the lives of Palestinians to be worthless.

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Meanwhile the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza is openly promoted by members of the Israeli Government while the illegal establishment of settlements in the west bank is an official Israeli policy.

The PM of Israel has stated there will never be a Palestinian state.

There are others within the Israeli Government who are very much more rabid in their remarks.

“On the other hand, it's very clear that the vast majority of Israeli Jews would be willing to live in peace side by side with Palestinians IF the anti-Jewish genocidal narrative of the Palestinian side changed to PERMANENT acceptance of the existence of Israeli.”

I’m not convinced that is the view of the majority of Jews in Israel.

And please genocide is not a bargaining chip, well perhaps it is in the minds of those who regard the lives of Palestinians to be worthless.

Of course you're not convinced.

Your bias is thick, thick, thick.

It's academic though.

As even you know that the vast majority of Palestinians aren't willing to accept the existence of Israel, the younger ones even more so.

We may agree they have their reasons but that's doesn't bring things closer to a resolution.

There are two credible narratives, yes.

But they are radically opposing narratives.

To add, inflammatory straw man garbage about genocide as a bargaining chip.

More evidence of the hopelessly extreme level of your BIAS.

Edited June 9Jun 9 by Jingthing

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Of course you're not convinced.

Your bias is thick, thick, thick.

It's academic though.

As even you know that the vast majority of Palestinians aren't willing to accept the existence of Israel, the younger ones even more so.

We may agree they have their reasons but that's doesn't bring things closer to a resolution.

There are two credible narratives, yes.

But they are radically opposing narratives.

To add, inflammatory straw man garbage about genocide as a bargaining chip.

More evidence of the hopelessly extreme level of your BIAS.

Ah.

Straight to ad hominem.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ah.

Straight to ad hominem.

Well deserved.

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It is of extreme importance to differentiate between people protesting against Israel's approach to this war in Gaza, and antisemitism. They are two completely different things, however Israel is an extremely thin skinned nation, and very intolerant of any sort of criticism. As a Jew I know that many Jews are thin-skinned when it comes to any sort of criticism of Israel, and it's often interpreted as being anti-semitic.

I've been called a Jew hater for criticizing Israeli policy so I know how sensitive the issue can be, and it's very important to interpret it correctly. Jews and all people have the right to be critical of Israeli policy, especially now that the extremists have taken over, gotten the support of a hateful PM, and are engaging in what could be called a ridiculously disproportionate campaign against the Gazans. Many call it genocide. And it would appear as though their goal is in trying to erase the Palestinian population.

Israel must be very careful at this point as they are losing support around the world, by the day it's gotten to the point where there are very few nations who are still supportive of Israel, and the IDF. If the US withdrew it's support, it would put them in dire straits, and very isolated. And we might be looking at a failed state. They deserve that, in my opinion. I believe all the lessons of the Holocaust have been forgotten within the current very sad state of affairs in Israel.

Am I a Jew hater? Absolutely not, as I have many Jewish friends and family that I adore. Do I hate Israel? Certainly not the people, but I do hate the current Israeli government. Much as I hate the current American government, it doesn't make me an America hater, though the fake patriots on this forum would argue otherwise.

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Noam Chomsky

“The pro-Israel lobby worked uninterrupted until 1963 when the famous senator, William Fulbright, became intrigued by its activities and demanded a congressional investigation of its financial sources. The three hundred pages produced by the investigating body revealed that, over four years, the lobby had raised $5 million, exempted from tax, from the Jewish community in the United States. This was done by the purchase of bonds clandestinely made over to the State of Israel. American law forbade lobbying for the interests of a foreign country. In order to overcome the legal prohibition, it was stated that the bonds were procured only for welfare purposes in Israel. However, the investigating committee found that none of the money was ever delivered to the deprived citizens of Israel. The money went to the Israeli state and, from there, immediately back to the United States—directly into AIPAC’s account. In Newsweek (August 12, 1963), it was written that the investigation exposed the AIPAC lobby as “one of the most effective networks of foreign influence.”

Fulbright became the pro-Israel lobby’s greatest enemy and had to be deposed by all means possible. The campaign against him became an AIPAC model. Everything was done to ensure that he would not be reelected. Anyone standing against him was financed and supported. From that time to this, the road to the Capitol has been scattered with candidates from the elite of American politics whose careers have been similarly torpedoed by AIPAC. In this manner, AIPAC impacted on Congress policy with such successful results that very few have since dared to follow in Fulbright’s footsteps.

Natenyahu has joined the extremists and now there is virtually no hope for peace in that region. Most Jews around the world disagree with their policies. I find them atrocious and very racist. Israel cannot expect the violence to stop, until they develop a reasonable and humane approach.

The one thing you can always count on with Israeli politicians, is that they are incapable of learning. Just apply more and more violence. That will fix things.

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Much as I hate the current American government, it doesn't make me an America hater, though the fake patriots on this forum would argue otherwise.

It makes you a coward coz all u gonna do is cry online like the others who are going thru life with horse blinders on ......

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

No, protesting against Nuclear weapons and oil pipelines will not get you arrested

Your wrong Nick you get arrested for breaking into MOD facilities and causing millions of pounds worth of damage and spraying anti israel grafiti of public statues.

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Your wrong Nick you get arrested for breaking into MOD facilities and causing millions of pounds worth of damage and spraying anti israel grafiti of public statues.

That was the point in made in subsequent posts .

They were arrested for breaking the law , rather than arrested for protesting