22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

That was the point in made in subsequent posts .

They were arrested for breaking the law , rather than arrested for protesting

Made up laws to suppress dissent.

4 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Made up laws to suppress dissent.

Yes, made up laws which everyone must abide to , rather than violent thugs attacking people to get their own way .

Lets hear you shout out "Fascists "

Whilst being a fascist yourself

Freudian slip by Last Chance to Dance Trance Vance .... "Israel and I have diverging views" ... then changes it to "Israel and the US"

Vance does not seem supportive of Israel ... what if he gets elected in 2028? Then he might pull the plug on Israel?

17 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Do you have comprehension difficulties?

His narrative was not antisemitic.

That you cannot recognise antisemitism when it is writ large and bold by a fantasist, is unlikely to come as a surprise to anyone that follows this forum.

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is of extreme importance to differentiate between people protesting against Israel's approach to this war in Gaza, and antisemitism. They are two completely different things, however Israel is an extremely thin skinned nation, and very intolerant of any sort of criticism. As a Jew I know that many Jews are thin-skinned when it comes to any sort of criticism of Israel, and it's often interpreted as being anti-semitic.

I've been called a Jew hater for criticizing Israeli policy so I know how sensitive the issue can be, and it's very important to interpret it correctly. Jews and all people have the right to be critical of Israeli policy, especially now that the extremists have taken over, gotten the support of a hateful PM, and are engaging in what could be called a ridiculously disproportionate campaign against the Gazans. Many call it genocide. And it would appear as though their goal is in trying to erase the Palestinian population.

Israel must be very careful at this point as they are losing support around the world, by the day it's gotten to the point where there are very few nations who are still supportive of Israel, and the IDF. If the US withdrew it's support, it would put them in dire straits, and very isolated. And we might be looking at a failed state. They deserve that, in my opinion. I believe all the lessons of the Holocaust have been forgotten within the current very sad state of affairs in Israel.

Am I a Jew hater? Absolutely not, as I have many Jewish friends and family that I adore. Do I hate Israel? Certainly not the people, but I do hate the current Israeli government. Much as I hate the current American government, it doesn't make me an America hater, though the fake patriots on this forum would argue otherwise.

Whether you are a self-hating Jew or not is your own damn business or maybe something worth exploring with one of our excellent Jewish psychiatrists.

What I find extremely simple minded about your rhetoric is that you push a very big lie that criticism of Israel is a black and white matter.

It most certainly is not that at all.

There is criticism of Israel that is NORMAL that is done indeed by many Israelis as would be done towards any other nation.

I am critical of many policies and actions of Israeli governments myself but in the context supporting the right of Israel to exist, the basic core Zionism that is shared with about 90 percent of global Jews.

Then there is a large amount of criticism of Israel that is DEEPLY INFECTED with racist Jew hatred. In some cases, that is ambiguous and in many other cases, it is extremely excplicit. I can understand giving the benefit of the doubt to ambiguous cases but never to the explicit cases.

You present as being totally blind to that reality.

You're like ALL criticism of Israel is OK and reasonable.

That is as stupid as saying that ALL criticism of Israel is not OK and not reasonable.

With your simple minded, black and white rhetoric about Israel, you are actually giving fuel to the racist Jew haters who do voice criticism of Israel that is deeply infected with racist Jew hatred.

Edited June 9Jun 9 by Jingthing

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is of extreme importance to differentiate between people protesting against Israel's approach to this war in Gaza, and antisemitism. They are two completely different things, however Israel is an extremely thin skinned nation, and very intolerant of any sort of criticism. As a Jew I know that many Jews are thin-skinned when it comes to any sort of criticism of Israel, and it's often interpreted as being anti-semitic.

I've been called a Jew hater for criticizing Israeli policy so I know how sensitive the issue can be, and it's very important to interpret it correctly. Jews and all people have the right to be critical of Israeli policy, especially now that the extremists have taken over, gotten the support of a hateful PM, and are engaging in what could be called a ridiculously disproportionate campaign against the Gazans. Many call it genocide. And it would appear as though their goal is in trying to erase the Palestinian population.

Israel must be very careful at this point as they are losing support around the world, by the day it's gotten to the point where there are very few nations who are still supportive of Israel, and the IDF. If the US withdrew it's support, it would put them in dire straits, and very isolated. And we might be looking at a failed state. They deserve that, in my opinion. I believe all the lessons of the Holocaust have been forgotten within the current very sad state of affairs in Israel.

Am I a Jew hater? Absolutely not, as I have many Jewish friends and family that I adore. Do I hate Israel? Certainly not the people, but I do hate the current Israeli government. Much as I hate the current American government, it doesn't make me an America hater, though the fake patriots on this forum would argue otherwise.

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

That you cannot recognise antisemitism when it is writ large and bold by a fantasist, is unlikely to come as a surprise to anyone that follows this forum.

I have copied Spider’s post here.

Please point to any antisemitic content. Actually, you can’t, because there is none.

You are doing what everyone say’s Israelis/Jews do, call everyone antisemitic. It’s tiresome.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Whether you are a self-hating Jew or not is your own damn business or maybe something worth exploring with one of our excellent Jewish psychiatrists.

What I find extremely simple minded about your rhetoric is that you push a very big lie that criticism of Israel is a black and white matter.

It most certainly is not that at all.

There is criticism of Israel that is NORMAL that is done indeed by many Israelis as would be done towards any other nation.

I am critical of many policies and actions of Israeli governments myself but in the context supporting the right of Israel to exist, the basic core Zionism that is shared with about 90 percent of global Jews.

Then there is a large amount of criticism of Israel that is DEEPLY INFECTED with racist Jew hatred. In some cases, that is ambiguous and in many other cases, it is extremely excplicit. I can understand giving the benefit of the doubt to ambiguous cases but never to the explicit cases.

You present as being totally blind to that reality.

You're like ALL criticism of Israel is OK and reasonable.

That is as stupid as saying that ALL criticism of Israel is not OK and not reasonable.

With your simple minded, black and white rhetoric about Israel, you are actually giving fuel to the racist Jew haters who do voice criticism of Israel that is deeply infected with racist Jew hatred.

“ but in the context supporting the right of Israel to exist”

Does Palestine have the right to exist?

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Yes, made up laws which everyone must abide to , rather than violent thugs attacking people to get their own way .

Lets hear you shout out "Fascists "

Whilst being a fascist yourself

The demonstrations I've ever been in, hundreds, were sometimes called 'riots'. It wasn't the protestors, these were police riots. The 'violent thugs' were supposed to serve and protect. Never saw anybody attacked, either, except by the police. Take a look at labour history and the founding of unions--nothing's changed.

In many cases, those charges are unjust, for instance, those supporting Palestine Action were simply exercising free speech. I've often been charged with public mischief (both civil and criminal), disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, failure to disperse, resisting arrest, criminal trespass. As a nonviolent activist, I was arrested, fasted in prison, refused bail and did my time. In many cases, charges were dismissed in court as spurious and without basis.

The freedom to protest injustice is fundamental to a free society. Or would you rather have it like Iran?

3 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

That you cannot recognise antisemitism when it is writ large and bold by a fantasist, is unlikely to come as a surprise to anyone that follows this forum.

That many on this forum, and everywhere else, cast as antisemitism as every criticism of Israel and Zionism, is just as obvious.

It's intentional deflection from the issue of Israel's violence by inferring that this has anything to do with Jewish persecution.

Edited June 10Jun 10 by unblocktheplanet
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4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Whether you are a self-hating Jew or not is your own damn business or maybe something worth exploring with one of our excellent Jewish psychiatrists.

What I find extremely simple minded about your rhetoric is that you push a very big lie that criticism of Israel is a black and white matter.

It most certainly is not that at all.

There is criticism of Israel that is NORMAL that is done indeed by many Israelis as would be done towards any other nation.

I am critical of many policies and actions of Israeli governments myself but in the context supporting the right of Israel to exist, the basic core Zionism that is shared with about 90 percent of global Jews.

Then there is a large amount of criticism of Israel that is DEEPLY INFECTED with racist Jew hatred. In some cases, that is ambiguous and in many other cases, it is extremely excplicit. I can understand giving the benefit of the doubt to ambiguous cases but never to the explicit cases.

You present as being totally blind to that reality.

You're like ALL criticism of Israel is OK and reasonable.

That is as stupid as saying that ALL criticism of Israel is not OK and not reasonable.

With your simple minded, black and white rhetoric about Israel, you are actually giving fuel to the racist Jew haters who do voice criticism of Israel that is deeply infected with racist Jew hatred.

It's unlikely most of the racist Jew haters know how to read! None of what I've written could possibly be construed as antisemitism or encourage violence against anyone.

37 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

That many on this forum, and everywhere else, cast as antisemitism as every criticism of Israel and Zionism, is just as obvious.

It's intentional deflection from the issue of Israel's violence by inferring that this has anything to do with Jewish persecution.

Two things are true at the same time.

Many antisemites take every opportunity to criticize Israel.

Many among Israel’s supporters label criticism of Israel as antisemitism.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“ but in the context supporting the right of Israel to exist”

Does Palestine have the right to exist?

And where are its fair borders--1948!, territories free of Israeli colonists?

When you call out Israel’s actions, the denial is straightforward Gaslighting.

It’s always denial, deflection or you’re called antisemitic.

The problem for Israel now is that the world is watching, and Israel has been judged and found wanting.

Those supporting Israel (which appears to be many Jews, Israelis and the occasional Goyim) do Israel and yourselves no favour.

Trying to Gaslight doesn’t work. I could understand and respect you more if you admitted it and simply say you don’t stand with Israel in its current form.

I respect @spidermike007 who as a Jew is quite forward at calling out Israel and who posted a very eloquent piece about confusing criticism of Israel with antisemitism. Only to have his very text demonstrated most ineloquently by @Eloquent pilgrim who called him antisemitic.

When I pointed out there was nothing in that text, surprise surprise, I’m called antisemitic too.

You just demonstrate and validate the problem.

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Does Palestine have the right to exist?

As its never existed before , it doesn't have a right to exist now

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The demonstrations I've ever been in, hundreds, were sometimes called 'riots'. It wasn't the protestors, these were police riots. The 'violent thugs' were supposed to serve and protect. Never saw anybody attacked, either, except by the police. Take a look at labour history and the founding of unions--nothing's changed.

In many cases, those charges are unjust, for instance, those supporting Palestine Action were simply exercising free speech. I've often been charged with public mischief (both civil and criminal), disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, failure to disperse, resisting arrest, criminal trespass. As a nonviolent activist, I was arrested, fasted in prison, refused bail and did my time. In many cases, charges were dismissed in court as spurious and without basis.

The freedom to protest injustice is fundamental to a free society. Or would you rather have it like Iran?

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

None of what I've written could possibly be construed as antisemitism or encourage violence against anyone.

This thread isn't all about you though .

Its not about you being arrested or whether you ever written anything Anti semitic or not

38 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

As its never existed before , it doesn't have a right to exist now

Palestine does exist, although I understand you support all and any efforts to wipe it out.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Palestine does exist, although I understand you support all and any efforts to wipe it out.

Palestine doesn't exist and it never has done , you want a brand new Country to be created .

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Palestine doesn't exist and it never has done , you want a brand new Country to be created .

This woman, maybe Israeli, seems to be making the same argument as you.

In other countries such as Canada and Australia, once the country is conquered, the indigenous people do not have the right to form their own country within the conquered land. She does have a point. Once conquered, the indigenous are no longer in charge.

However, I wonder if Israel is different due to other factors such as they believe "God promised them the land from the river to the sea or whatever" and their plan is to completely remove all the Palestinians. At least indigenous cultures in Canada and Australia are allowed some degree of self-determination on their land. They do have their own land.

So is it the Palestinians' fault for not wanting to be subjugated as 2nd class citizens and admitting defeat in the 1948 war/ colonization?

I'm not sure.

23 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Nobody is saying Hamas are not at equal fault to Israel's responce. Violence is violence.

However, Hamas is supported by Qatar. If Israel really cared about eliminating Hamas rather than killing civilians, they'd be bombing Qatar, wouldn't they?

Israel did not attack Palestine, it was the other way around. If you become the aggressor expect consequences.

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

This woman, maybe Israeli, seems to be making the same argument as you.

In other countries such as Canada and Australia, once the country is conquered, the indigenous people do not have the right to form their own country within the conquered land. She does have a point. Once conquered, the indigenous are no longer in charge.

However, I wonder if Israel is different due to other factors such as they believe "God promised them the land from the river to the sea or whatever" and their plan is to completely remove all the Palestinians. At least indigenous cultures in Canada and Australia are allowed some degree of self-determination on their land. They do have their own land.

So is it the Palestinians' fault for not wanting to be subjugated as 2nd class citizens and admitting defeat in the 1948 war/ colonization?

I'm not sure.

Israel has never wanted to remove all Israeli Palestinians from the land of Israel , they are welcome to live in the land of Israel

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel has never wanted to remove all Israeli Palestinians from the land of Israel , they are welcome to live in the land of Israel

No, that's not the rhetoric from Daniela Weiss.

She claims they have lost their right to live there.

But I wonder if the stance has become more hard-line because the Palestinians refuse to be 2nd class citizens and refuse to stop fighting back.

11 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

So is it the Palestinians' fault for not wanting to be subjugated as 2nd class citizens and admitting defeat in the 1948 war/ colonization?

The Palestinians wanted ALL the land for themselves......and they still do

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

No, that's not the rhetoric from Daniela Weiss.

She claims they have lost their right to live there.

But I wonder if the stance has become more hard-line because the Palestinians refuse to be 2nd class citizens and refuse to stop fighting back.

The Palestinians in Gaza are Not citizens of Israel at all , Not first class , second class or even third class

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The Palestinians wanted ALL the land for themselves......and they still do

Yeah, this reporter went around asking a bunch of Palestinians if they would expel all Jew if they could and most of them seem to be responding "yes".

This situation is hard to get a grip on, to be honest.
I'm still confused.

37 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Palestine doesn't exist and it never has done , you want a brand new Country to be created .

Quit with your gaslighting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Palestine

27 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel has never wanted to remove all Israeli Palestinians from the land of Israel , they are welcome to live in the land of Israel

So Palestinians evicted from Israel by Israel have the right to return?

14 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is of extreme importance to differentiate between people protesting against Israel's approach to this war in Gaza, and antisemitism. They are two completely different things, however Israel is an extremely thin skinned nation, and very intolerant of any sort of criticism. As a Jew I know that many Jews are thin-skinned when it comes to any sort of criticism of Israel, and it's often interpreted as being anti-semitic.

I've been called a Jew hater for criticizing Israeli policy so I know how sensitive the issue can be, and it's very important to interpret it correctly. Jews and all people have the right to be critical of Israeli policy, especially now that the extremists have taken over, gotten the support of a hateful PM, and are engaging in what could be called a ridiculously disproportionate campaign against the Gazans. Many call it genocide. And it would appear as though their goal is in trying to erase the Palestinian population.

Israel must be very careful at this point as they are losing support around the world, by the day it's gotten to the point where there are very few nations who are still supportive of Israel, and the IDF. If the US withdrew it's support, it would put them in dire straits, and very isolated. And we might be looking at a failed state. They deserve that, in my opinion. I believe all the lessons of the Holocaust have been forgotten within the current very sad state of affairs in Israel.

Am I a Jew hater? Absolutely not, as I have many Jewish friends and family that I adore. Do I hate Israel? Certainly not the people, but I do hate the current Israeli government. Much as I hate the current American government, it doesn't make me an America hater, though the fake patriots on this forum would argue otherwise.

Do you think there could be a conspiracy by Israeli leaders to sully the reputation of jews so badly that they're forced to move to Israel?

Seems a stretch but open criticism of jews was NOT allowed online - even 2-3 years ago.
Israel has been doing **** forever (Terrorism against the English, USS Libery attack etc etc.) but managed to keep it under wraps - did the livestraming of the Gaza Genocide change that organically or is this by design (see graphic below).

There has been a clear policy shift on online platforms.

Previously, even an accusation of antisemitism or 'jew hater' would be enough for the person accused to be silenced and or banned but that is no longer the case - even on jewish controlled platforms like facebook and youtube.

The policy change seems suss.

The exception seems to have been TikTok which Larry Ellison (jew) bought to stop the livestreaming of the gaza genocide.

I believe the thin skin is due to brainwashing as children. If youre taught and go on to believe everyone wants to turn you into a lampshade or soap its going to produce a cery paranoid group.
The cutting off of the penis tips is also likely to leave a mental as well as physical scarring.
The 'special' / 'chosen' guff is going to produce extreme narcissism.

All in all, being raised jewish is likely to, and often does, make for some very ****ed up people.

When they project all this stuff out they become insuffereable - as you'd no doubt agree a couple of the resident jews here are. You seem pretty well adjusted though so well done.

Anyway, do you think antisemitism going mainstream again is organic or a jewish plot to bring people to populate the greater israel project?

35 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The Palestinians in Gaza are Not citizens of Israel at all , Not first class , second class or even third class

Why am I unsurprised you would believe in the class system vis-a-vis Jews and Arabs.

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Quit with your gaslighting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Palestine

If you can get your hands on a 60s Encyclopedia you'll find pages and pages on Palestime but very little on Israel.
Also, ZERO mention of a holocaust.

He's part jewish too
https://x.com/OwenBenjamin/status/1720965939196535055

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

This thread isn't all about you though .

Its not about you being arrested or whether you ever written anything Anti semitic or not

Hehe, well I posted this thread. If you care to, call out those you consider antisemitic. Name and shame instead of this useless back and forth. I'll see if I'm on the list.

Of course, there's a Palestine. Don't be a nincompoop. The Brits were its administrators and its where the Jews live now. Without Palestine, there is no so-called (hehe) homeland.