1 minute ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Bull, I have suggested return to the 1948 or at least 1967 borders, a binational or two-state solution. Do you have other ideas? You have not expressed them so far.

I have multiple times.

Not going to repeat them again for you.

1948 would be suicide for Israel which you obviously would like.

1967 isn't possible without a massive amount of groundwork on both sides and neither side has the leadership to do that.

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's especially rich coming from you.

You have offered no solutions except that Israel should commit suicide.

An anti-Zionist Jewish rabbi offered a solution, which I posted.

They can go set up their safe haven elsewhere -- the US should give them land maybe since the Zionist lobby there is the biggest in the world.

10 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Know nothing about Massie except what I read here. However, there must be Congressmen appalled by Israel's wars but just too cowardly to speak out.

Time to cut the umbilical cord.

Massie opposed funding Israel’s military, opposed Israel’s war in Gaza, opposed the U.S. involvement in the illegal war against Iran, opposed the Federal Government outlawing states and private businesses enacting boycott. He backed full disclosure of the Epstein files.

AIPAC boastfully took him down.

Maybe not simply pro-Israel, and more protectors of Epstein’s coconspirators, and those behind his operation.

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

No they want Palestinian river to the sea.

Which, when overlayed on a map, is indistinguishable from ‘Greater Israel’.

4 hours ago, Effective altruism said:

And U.S. citizens have that right. Just like some US Citizens are advocating for Palestine. I

US Campaign for Palestinian Rights (USCPR). 501(c)4

Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) 501(c)(3)

American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) 501(c)(3)

There is also:

There are many U.S.-based nonprofits and advocacy organizations that focus on the interests, policies, or welfare of specific foreign countries, ethnic diasporas, or international causes. A few examples:

Country/Region	Organization	Notes
Armenia	Armenian National Committee of America	Advocates for U.S. policies supportive of Armenia and Armenian Americans.
Armenia	Armenian Assembly of America	Promotes U.S.-Armenia relations and Armenian issues.
Cuba	Cuban American National Foundation	Advocates on U.S.-Cuba policy and Cuban-American concerns.
Cuba	Alliance for Cuba Engagement and Respect	Advocates for changes to U.S. policy toward Cuba.
Ireland	Ancient Order of Hibernians	Has historically advocated on issues affecting Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Greece	American Hellenic Institute	Advocates on U.S.-Greece and U.S.-Cyprus issues.
Taiwan	Formosan Association for Public Affairs	Advocates for Taiwan-related issues in U.S. policy.

Which of those groups influence US foreign policy, US military policy or have ever actually influenced the selection of candidates or outcome of an election?

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

1967 isn't possible without a massive amount of groundwork on both sides and neither side has the leadership to do that.

That's why the groundwork needs to be imposed. It happened before. This time it needs to happen again with land swaps to ensure both Israel and Palestine have access to both the river and the sea. The creation of Israel was a recommeded imposed condition of the UN and the Jewish terrorists who'd been attacking British authorities in the region saw their moment and declared independence in Tel Aviv.

From (AI)

The UN Partition Plan: Unable to manage escalating tensions between Jewish and Arab populations, Britain turned the region over to the United Nations. On November 29, 1947, the UN passed Resolution 181, which recommended splitting the land into separate independent Arab and Jewish states, with Jerusalem placed under international administration. The Jewish community accepted the plan, while Arab leaders rejected it

Independence Proclamation: With British troops scheduled to leave the region, the People's Council met at the Tel Aviv Museum on May 14, 1948, to declare the creation of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman officially recognized the new nation just eleven minutes after its creation

3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Not nearly as tiresome as reading the same anti-Jewish tropes and slurs that have been thrown around for 2,000 years. The details change over the centuries but the underlying hatred remains the same.

The Russian Czar's secret police and the German Nazis claimed the Elders of Zion were trying to dominate national governments; today both the woke left and hard right claim AIPAC is doing the same thing.

In centuries past, Jews were accused of murdering non-Jewish children to obtain their blood for rituals; today Israeli Jews are accused of murdering Palestinian children to obtain Palestinian land. "Genocide" has replaced "Christ killer" as the main anti-Jewish slur.

In the past, Jew haters yelled "Death to the Jews!" during pogroms; today anti-Zionists yell :"Death to the IDF!" at rock conserts and street demonstrations. The Nazi chant of "Blut und boden" (Blood and soil) is now "From the River to the Sea." Podcasts, YouTube videos, social media accounts and Web sites of "influencers" have taken over the anti-Jewish propaganda of the Third Reich.

Modern antisemitism is simply age-old Jew-hating tropes wearing trendy new outfits.

And that is the very definition of TIRESOME.

And there we have it, a detailed and explicit construction of the narrative equating opposition to the obscene crimes against humanity being committed by Israel and the IDF to historical antisemitism.

Thank you for demonstrating the use of antisemitism against opponents of Israel’s crimes against humanity.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Thank you for demonstrating the use of antisemitism against opponents of Israel’s crimes against humanity.

You are moe than welcome. Antisemitism can be used against opponents of Israel's crimes against humanity because, for the most part, they hate Jews for being Jews.

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6 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The Russian Czar's secret police and the German Nazis claimed the Elders of Zion were trying to dominate national governments; today both the woke left and hard right claim AIPAC is doing the same thing.

So were the Russian Czars a bunch of idiots? A bunch of liars?

Is it possible there was some validity to their claims?

I believe AIPAC Zionist lobbying is the most powerful lobby in the US. Does the word "dominate" make you nervous? Billions of dollars in lobbying is a whole lot of influence.

Hungarian PM (the previous guy) accused George Soros of meddling with immigration in the EU. He probably was/is. I don't think all these world leaders are delusional and crazy or just picking on random Jews for no apparent reason.

But no, everyone is an anti-semite. It's easier just to oversimplify everything into a neat little slogan.

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3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Posting at your usual level of intelligence, about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

I note you didn’t point out any antisemitic comment in my challenge.

At school we were taught “ Engage brain before opening mouth”, it’s an adage I would recommend wholeheartedly to you.

Wow, myriad insults, and delivered with such articulate, imaginative and eloquent rhetoric; made even more hurtful coming from a renowned intellectual like yourself.

I am deeply wounded, you misbegotten, dishonourable scoundrel.

21 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I agree completely. But spending three years turning Gaza to rubble, targeting hospitals, schools, medics, journalists and children is not the correct responce.

Nobody ever wears the other shoe, do they? Imagine this happened to Israel.

I agree but unless you get that point over to Hamas who build their infrastructure in and under public facilities it will continue.

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

You are moe than welcome. Antisemitism can be used against opponents of Israel's crimes against humanity because, for the most part, they hate Jews for being Jews.

Again thank you for demonstrating your adherence to irrational sweeping pejoratives and of course the ‘antisemitism slur.

You’re a gift to the case against Israel.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Again thank you for demonstrating your adherence to irrational sweeping pejoratives and of course the ‘antisemitism slur.

You’re a gift to the case against Israel.

So in your fantasy bubble world racist Jew hatred related to Israel demonization doesn't exist?

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Again thank you for demonstrating your adherence to irrational sweeping pejoratives and of course the ‘antisemitism slur.

You’re a gift to the case against Israel.

All Anti semites do oppose Israel's right to exist though

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

All Anti semites do oppose Israel's right to exist though

I don’t know if that is true, I don’t speak for any antisemites.

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So in your fantasy bubble world racist Jew hatred related to Israel demonization doesn't exist?

Non sequitur alert.

I have made no such argument, though you might have imagined I have.

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t know if that is true, I don’t speak for any antisemites.

Can you name 1 Anti semite who supports Israel's right to exist ?

They are all pro Palestinian

22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Can you name 1 Anti semite who supports Israel's right to exist ?

They are all pro Palestinian

I don’t think I personally know any antisemites, but I don’t deny they exist.

Try searching online for antisemites who want to expel Jews to Israel.

I believe they go under the heading ‘Zionist Antisemites/Zionist Antisemitism’.

Before you ask, I don’t know any Zionist Antisemites either, nor do I deny they exist.

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Before you ask, I don’t know any Zionist Antisemites either, nor do I deny they exist.

Based on the content of some AN members' posts, would you consider any of them antisemites?

4 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Based on the content of some AN members' posts, would you consider any of them antisemites?

Absolutely I would.

But I don’t know any of them personally.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by Chomper Higgot

This is interesting.

He claims he is only at war with Hezbollah, but wants peace with Lebanon.

Unattributed off topic post removed

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

So were the Russian Czars a bunch of idiots? A bunch of liars?

Is it possible there was some validity to their claims?

You appear to have never heard of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Protocols-of-the-Elders-of-Zion

It is one of history's most infamous book forgeries. Some members of AN, perhaps unknowingly, have posted comments very close to what can be read in the Protocols.

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an antisemitic book used to promote hatred of Jews. It was first published in 1903. The Protocols contains conspiracy theories about alleged global Jewish power. It is the most widespread antisemitic publication of modern times."

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion

Both Adolf Hitler and the founders of Hamas believed in the Protocols. From the original Hamas charter of 1988, Article 32:

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying." https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp

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5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I believe AIPAC Zionist lobbying is the most powerful lobby in the US. Does the word "dominate" make you nervous? Billions of dollars in lobbying is a whole lot of influence.

zzzzz

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Can you name 1 Anti semite who supports Israel's right to exist ?

They are all pro Palestinian

The more I think of the concept of Zionism, the more I think it's a total scam.

Jews need their own country as a safe haven away from persecution, so the story goes.

And the way they are accomplishing this is by ultra-rich Zionists in the US practically running the US govt with billions of dollars in lobbying. And oh, by the way, they control most of the media outlets.

Does a group of people so powerful and wealthy that they practically run the US government sound like a "persecuted" group to you? Where did they get all their wealth and power if they are so "persecuted"?

Not saying a Jewish nation doesn't have the right to exist, but not this Satanic mental illness we are seeing before our eyes.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by save the frogs

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The more I think of the concept of Zionism, the more I think it's a total scam.

Jews need their own country as a safe haven away from persecution, so the story goes.

And the way they are accomplishing this is by ultra-rich Zionists in the US practically running the US govt. Does a group of people so powerful and wealthy that they practically run the US government sound like a "persecuted" group to you?

Not saying a Jewish nation doesn't have the right to exist, but not this Satanic mental illness we are seeing before our eyes.

You want satanic?

Look in the mirror.

Yes, you.

Someone so incredibly ignorant that he promotes the fake Protocols of the Elders of Zion as something to be taken seriously.

Constantly posting extremely inflammatory videos with no comment other than, isn't this interesting?

Seriously, your posts here are actively promoting racist Jew hatred. in case you didn't know though you obviously don't care.

We've heard of low value posts.

You bring up a bigger issue -- low value members.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by Jingthing

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Someone so incredibly ignorant that he promotes the fake Protocols of the Elders of Zion as something to be taken seriously.

I'm not promoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I've never read it.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Jews need their own country as a safe haven away from persecution, so the story goes.

And the way they are accomplishing this is by ultra-rich Zionists in the US practically running the US govt with billions of dollars in lobbying. And oh, by the way, they control most of the media outlets.

Lets see :

Websearch : Do Jews control most of the media outlets.

"The claim that Jewish people control most media outlets is an antisemitic conspiracy theory that has no basis in fact"

But anyone who criticises the Israeli Government is called an Anti semite

Edited June 11Jun 11 by Nick Carter icp

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I'm not promoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I've never read it.

Based on your posts, I reckon you've never read anything.

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You bring up a bigger issue -- low value members.

There's no forum rule against being a low value member, probably because it's hard to prove.