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On 6/11/2026 at 7:47 PM, save the frogs said:

So are you suggesting Hitler read this book, took it word for word, and that's where he got the idea for the Holocaust?

Neither Nick nor anyone else has suggested Hitler got the idea for the Holocaust from reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Hitler did use it as evidence of a Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world and thereby justify the persecution of the Jews. Here's what Google AI says:

In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote:

"The Protocols are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans every week . . . [which is] the best proof that they are authentic. … the important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims."

https://jij.org/news/the-protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion/#_edn7

From its beginning, Hamas' leaders believed in the Protocols. Article 32 of the Hamas Covenant of 1988 stated: "After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp

Former Ugandan dictator Idi Amin Dada was a firm believer in the Protocols and used it to justify his antisemitic policies.

If you find the notion of Jewish conspiracies to be convincing, consider some of your like-minded: Hitler, Hamas and Idi Amin.

Edited June 13Jun 13 by Evil Penevil

4 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Neither Nick nor anyone else has suggested Hitler got the idea for the Holocaust from reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Hitler did use it as evidence of a Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world and thereby justify the persecution of the Jews. Here's what Google AI says:

In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote:

"The Protocols are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans every week . . . [which is] the best proof that they are authentic. … the important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims."

https://jij.org/news/the-protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion/#_edn7

From its beginning, Hamas' leaders believed in the Protocols. Article 32 of the Hamas Covenant of 1988 stated: "After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp

Former Ugandan dictator Idi Amin Dada was a firm believer in the Protocols and used it to justify his antisemitic policies.

If you find the notion of Jewish conspiracies to be convincing, consider some of your like-minded: Hitler, Hamas and Idi Amin.

The 1988 Hamas Covenant must have been greatly inflamed by the First Intifada which had just occurred. Even by then, Israel had been thieving land from its conquest. The Nile to the Euphrates certainly sounds a little too ambitious! The Covenant parallels the Protocols and many aspects.

[Much of this reply has been cobbled together from Wikipedia as well as books I had on hand.]

Idi Amin primarily deported British Indians. However, on of his first acts in office was banning the Jewish population of Uganda, named for the group Abayudaya, of around 2-3,000, which had only been established in the 20th century, not Beta Israel.

There was a core resistance group, "She'erit Yisrael" (Remnant of Israel) which held illegal observances. However, many Jews converted to Islam and Christianity for safety. Remarkably, the Jewish community in Uganda has prospered and is now around 2,000 in nine villages of mostly subsistence farmers.

The British promoted Uganda as a Jewish homeland to the Sixth World Zionist Congress in 1903. The scheme was well-studied due to the ongoing eastern European pogroms but ultimately rejected. And independence bred Africa's Hitler.

Further to the Protocols, meetings were held to discuss the proposal with British PM Neville Chamberlain, Theodor Herzl and...the Rothschild brothers!

Have any Abayudaya Jews sought Right of Return?

Actually, founding Zionist Herzl proposed Cyprus, the Sinai Peninsula and the coast of the Sinai. Each of these came with complications.

Nazis proposed Jewish resettlement in Madagascar; another to Alaska. Jews immigrated to Japan from Europe and Russia. On the outbreak of WWII, Imperial Japan hosted tens of thousands (!) of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany, with 18-20,000 ending up in Japanese occupied China.

Japanese authorities grossly overestimated the economic and political powers of the Jewish people, and their interconnectedness across the world due to the Jewish diaspora. It was assumed that by rescuing European Jews from the Nazis, Japan would gain unwavering and eternal favor from American Jewry.

The idea was partly based on the acceptance of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as being a genuine document by at least part of the Japanese leadership - but rather than arousing hatred of Jews, the intended effect of the Protocols, they actually caused the Japanese to consider the Jews as powerful potential allies for Japan! Judaism was compared to Shinto.

In 1937, the Far Eastern Jewish Council was established by Abraham Kaufman, and over the next several years, many meetings were held to discuss the idea of encouraging and establishing Jewish settlements in and around Harbin. The Japanese They made a decision of prohibiting the expulsion of the Jews in Japan, Manchuria, and China. Japanese policy declared that Jews entering and residing in Japan, China, and Manchukuo would be treated the same as other foreigners. Approximately 24,000 Jews escaped the Holocaust either by immigrating through Japan or living under direct Japanese rule by the policies surrounding Japan's more pro-Jewish attitude.

What’s surprising about this is that Japan, a Nazi ally, was protecting Jews as German were exterminating them! Kristallnacht showed the economic power and global unity of the Jews. Remarkable!

It is impossible not to speculate whether an alternative Jewish homeland would have been less besieged than the current Israel. Unfortunately, whether in Africa or Argentina, I fear there would have been the same level of 'antisemitism;, if we wish to call it that. But arising from land rather than religion.

Ah, there's always Somaliland...

Very enlightening post, Ev. Thanks.

I must mention this book:

• Another alternate history treatment is Yoav Avni's novel Herzl Amar, הרצל אמר (Herzl Said) in which the Jewish state in East Africa is called Israel and has many features similar to the actual Israel: it has a big city called Tel Aviv, its army is called the Israeli Defence Forces, its Prime Minister in the 2010s is Ariel Sharon and the opposition leader is Shimon Peres; at its south, near the border with Tanzania, is an impoverished strip similar to the Gaza Strip, dotted with refugee camps of Masai tribesman who were earlier displaced from the more central parts of the country and who like Palestinians are seething with rebellion against Israeli rule. But a highly significant difference from actual history is that, though there had been an antisemitic German leader named Adolf Hitler, the Second World War ended in an Allied victory much sooner than in actual history and European Jews were spared the Holocaust.

On 6/12/2026 at 4:15 AM, beautifulthailand99 said:

I think you will find that the battered remains of babies and women blown to smithereens by relentless bombing have revealed the true nature of Zionist Israel's treatment of the people whose land it took and whose anger it helped to foster. The images coming out of Gaza have done more to shape international opinion than any speech or press release ever could. And there's no turning back the clock now - Israel needs to get used to it a large proportion of the world hate them. This is the age of social media and wars transmitted in real time in their full horror. That and bombing press, hospitals,ambulances, aid workers with the rage of a psychopath,

"An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews; nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate." Gilad Atzmon - ex Isareli ex IDF and world class musician and citizen of the world.

The people of Gaza have made their choices, and now they must face the consequences.

48 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

The people of Gaza have made their choices, and now they must face the consequences.

Are you between or outside the lines? There was nothing about Gaza in my reply. Gazans have made their choice?!? Maybe you can be blamed for all the actions of your govt, too. Killing civilians is never acceptable. If they were your children???

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Are you between or outside the lines? There was nothing about Gaza in my reply. Gazans have made their choice?!? Maybe you can be blamed for all the actions of your govt, too. Killing civilians is never acceptable. If they were your children???

Civilians die in all wars , its a sad fact of life .

Can you name any war where civilians haven't died ?

Nope, you cannot

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Civilians die in all wars , its a sad fact of life .

Can you name any war where civilians haven't died ?

Nope, you cannot

Genocide doesn’t occur in all wars.

9 hours ago, Effective altruism said:

The people of Gaza have made their choices, and now they must face the consequences.

They never “chose” to live in Gaza.

That’s what it’s all about!