5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, no you can't believe everything you hear or read.

Or even believe only half of what you see with your own eyes.

I trust my observation more than my ears and what I read, unless there's proven facts aka peer reviewed

29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yet no definition of what a child is, or how many of the women and "children" are enemy combatants.

I believe anyone under 18 is counted as a child, and apparently, Hamas starts training at age 10.

There are also women that are members of Hamas.

So just claiming that women and children are being killed without acknowledging that many of the women and children killed are enemy combatants is dishonest.

"So just claiming that women and children are being killed without acknowledging that many of the women and children killed are enemy combatants is dishonest. "

As is claiming that "many of the women and children killed are enemy combatants" without offering any links to credible sources.

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

And understandably so. However, that doesn't give the Israelis the right to do what they have done in Gaza, where estimated deaths are in the 75,000-90,000 range.

That's not an unfortunate overreaction, that's systematic ethnic cleansing and genocide.

And there would have been no deaths at all if Palestine didn't wage war on Israel .

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

And there would have been no deaths at all if Palestine didn't wage war on Israel .

1. I seriously doubt that.

2. Palestine didn't attack Israel, Hamas did.

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

1. I seriously doubt that.

2. Palestine didn't attack Israel, Hamas did.

Thats the same as saying that Israel didn't attack Gaza , the IDF did

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Thats the same as saying that Israel didn't attack Gaza , the IDF did

No, it's not. When the IRA attacked Brit forces in NI would it have been correct to say that Ireland attacked?

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Thats the same as saying that Israel didn't attack Gaza , the IDF did

And let's not forget all the non-Hamas Palestinians that joined in the festivities, and the warm welcome Hamas received when they brought the hostages back to be humiliated tortured, raped and murdered by the non-Hamas Palestinians lining the streets.

7 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

No, it's not. When the IRA attacked Brit forces in NI would it have been correct to say that Ireland attacked?

Hamas are the elected leaders of Gaza /Palestine .

The IRA were not the elected leaders of Ireland .

So, no equivalence there between hamas and the IRA

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas are the elected leaders of Gaza /Palestine .

The IRA were not the elected leaders of Ireland .

So, no equivalence there between hamas and the IRA

The left loves to pretend that the Palestinians are victims of Hamas.

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The left loves to pretend that the Palestinians are victims of Hamas.

All Jews, all Palestinians - down that road lies the path of extermination and genocide.

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas are the elected leaders of Gaza /Palestine .

The IRA were not the elected leaders of Ireland .

So, no equivalence there between hamas and the IRA

As usual, the facts don't support your claims. But you don't really do facts, so who cares, right?

Grok AI:

22 hours ago, BLMFem said:

I'm sure I'm not the only one having started off life as staunchly pro-Israel, but that have gradually been disillusioned over the years, and especially during the last decade.

Back in the day, Israel was an easy country to root for and be sympathetic to, due to the horrors of the Holocaust and the fact that Israel was a democratic island in a sea of autocracies/theocracies.

But Israel, under the rule of Benjamin Netanyahu, has become increasingly more violent, strident and nationalistic, increasingly more willing to bulldozer ahead no matter the body count.

Everyone who's not a racist/psycho acknowledges that the Hamas-led 7. Oct terrorist attack was a sickening act of violence, but so too has Israel's reaction to it been. Wholesale slaughter of women children, civilians. Genocide.

Jewish settlers are allowed to run rampant, killing Arabs/Palestinians for fun, and in Israeli prisons, systematic sexual abuse and torture has been well documented. And now, they've started attacking Lebanon again, possibly to derail the deal ending the Iran war.

Yes, Israel is allowed to protect itself, but that's not what this is. This is wholesale slaughter. Netanyahu and his government must go. Hopefully the next election will take care of that.

I'm linking to an article just written by former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. It's free to read but requires you to register an e-mail address.

'Israel Is Conducting a Systematic Campaign of Ethnic Cleansing and Crimes Against Humanity in the West Bank'

'These are unprecedented and harsh accusations against an Israeli government and the defense establishment, especially from a former prime minister. But after years of restraint, I have no choice but to make them'

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2026-06-18/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israel-is-conducting-a-systematic-campaign-of-ethnic-cleansing-in-the-west-bank/0000019e-db02-d7a4-a99f-dfce00a20000

"The fight against Jewish terrorism in the West Bank must advance to the next stage and be waged with greater determination. The daily terrorism that is managed, directed, encouraged and supported by the Israeli government can no longer be tolerated.

Today, it must be said that the State of Israel is conducting an organized, systematic, state-funded campaign of ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity. Not in the Gaza Strip, not in southern Lebanon, not in Syria, but in areas of the West Bank that are under the exclusive security control of the state and its security and law enforcement apparatus."

Most news articles are free of paywall by entering their URL into archive.is.

Remarkable commentary by an ex-PM from Israel's (arguably) days before this insanity.

Those elections won't change anything. Israelis are so hypermilitarised, they'll just elect the same or a different warmonger who will install a war Cabinet. I've become quite convinced Israel doesn't want peace. War give meaning to their existence.

12 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I never said the left loves Iran.

I said it seems like the left loves Iran.

Does it not seem that way to you?

IF a left existed, they might love Iran, or not. They might love Israel, or not. They might love America, or not.

37 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

humiliated tortured, raped and murdered

Sounds just like Israeli prisons for non-Jewry. Just a lot less so. 🙂

9 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Vance will never cut off Israel, but if the dems take the White House in '28 Israel is done.

No idea about that but Israel seems quite able to support itself on weapons sales as evidenced by representation at the recent Berlin & Paris arms celebrations. Even an Israeli pavilion! Elbit can save Israel

13 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

As usual, the facts don't support your claims. But you don't really do facts, so who cares, right?

Grok AI:

A.I "Were Hamas elected in Gaza" (Which is what I said )

Yes, Hamas was democratically elected in the Palestinian legislative elections held across Gaza and the West Bank in January 2006. They secured a majority of seats in the parliament. [1, 2, 3]

So, facts do indeed support my claims .

You changed the words around a bit

4 hours ago, BLMFem said:

If this is true that would be the least surprising thing I've read in a long, long time. It seems Netanyahu needs the failed war on Iran and Lebanon to continue if he's gonna have a chance at winning the upcoming election.

"US spy agencies have warned Donald Trump that Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu is poised to torpedo his fragile peace deal with Iran to save his own political skin.

Netanyahu, who faces a general election in the fall, is expected to escalate strikes on Iran's proxy terror group Hezbollah in Lebanon to shore up support at home, a fresh intelligence report warns.

An official familiar with the report told the Washington Post that Israel's leadership is frustrated with Trump's 14-point plan and what it sees as a capitulation to Tehran."

People don't matter at all to Bibi, including IDF soldiers. What matters is getting elected to stay out of prison for corruption. If they have three-man cells, his best buddies, Ben Gvir and Smotrich would add some companionship. At least until the torture used on prisoners in Israel.

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

But 50,000 "Palestinians" being killed in military strikes is a genocide, got it.

Are you really going to tell me numbers mean a damned thing when it comes to genocides?!? Death is death, Dude. Murder is murder.

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

How does Finkelstein define children to get the 22,000?

Would you like to be included?

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

A.I "Were Hamas elected in Gaza" (Which is what I said )

Yes, Hamas was democratically elected in the Palestinian legislative elections held across Gaza and the West Bank in January 2006. They secured a majority of seats in the parliament. [1, 2, 3]

So, facts do indeed support my claims .

You changed the words around a bit

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

A.I "Were Hamas elected in Gaza" (Which is what I said )

Yes, Hamas was democratically elected in the Palestinian legislative elections held across Gaza and the West Bank in January 2006. They secured a majority of seats in the parliament. [1, 2, 3]

So, facts do indeed support my claims .

You changed the words around a bit

You said:

"Hamas are the elected leaders of Gaza /Palestine ."

That is not true. They were the elected leaders. But nice try.

From the Grok AI piece I posted:

"In June 2007, after months of tension, Hamas violently seized full control of Gaza from Fatah in a civil war (often called the Battle of Gaza). Dozens were killed.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (Fatah) dismissed the Hamas government. Hamas has ruled Gaza de facto ever since as an authoritarian regime, while Fatah/PA controls parts of the West Bank.

No national or legislative elections have been held in Gaza (or the Palestinian territories overall) since 2006. Multiple planned votes (e.g., 2021) were postponed. "

'nuff said.

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I don't appreciate the Jew washing.

I agree Israel's reaction went way too far.

Sorry to say to you who thinks simplistically and can't imagine being Israeli, I don't think that's the issue of primary focus for the elections.

The Israelis are voting for an Israeli government in their interests, not to please pro Palestinian activisits.

I know what you THINK Israelis should be focused on. That's not the political reality.

Whether they know it or not, it's in their interest to stop the wholesale slaughter.

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

You said:

"Hamas are the elected leaders of Gaza /Palestine ."

That is not true. They were the elected leaders. But nice try.

They still are the leaders though .

Hamas were elected as leaders of Gaza

Hamas are STILL the leaders of Gaza .

You are claiming that Hamas arent democratically elected because there's been no recent elections

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Hilariously, you are clueless about the actual meaning of those not at all surprising poll results.

Tell us, please! As I read it, Israelis blame Trump for losing the Iran war. Perhaps they don't realise their own govt bailed out after two weeks after discovered is was harder to kill Iranians than Lebanese. Trump was hoodwinked and so were all his FOX advisors.

2 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

The next time you hear Allahu Akbar' being shouted before the inevitable' next atrocity remember you would have heard it a thousand times more without Mossad' and the IDF 'and Netanyahu' the magnificent 🤔

If Mossad and the IDF are worth their pay, they would have found actual terrorist fighters and eliminated them instead of whole bombing civilian targets. One would assume courage is not one of their qualities. This is war! Yeah, so go get 'em, Tiger.

16 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

If Mossad and the IDF are worth their pay, they would have found actual terrorist fighters and eliminated them instead of whole bombing civilian targets. One would assume courage is not one of their qualities. This is war! Yeah, so go get 'em, Tiger.

Mossad and the IDFs main concern is the safety of Israelis .

You would like the IDF to get closer to Hezbollah so that more Jews will die

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Sorry the majority of Israeli voters don't agree with your genocide narrative so they're not going to elect a leader that does. However there are excellent Israeli focussed reasons to dump Netanyahu so there is hope for that.

Let’s see the result of the election first.

That’ll tell us all what Israelis want.

5 hours ago, Packer said:

Sounds like typical Jew hysteria.

There are around 8 million Jewry in north America.

Israel imploding and every single Jew there being butchered by their Muslim neighbors does not mean total eradication of the Jews.

Stop being so dramatic.

jewry? you mean americans of jewish descent?

got it. you get your facts from Der Sturmer.

but u are right, like nazis dangling from ropes doesnt eradicate their filthy mentally ill philosophy.

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Mossad and the IDFs main concern is the safety of Israelis .

You would like the IDF to get closer to Hezbollah so that more Jews will die

It might also be expanding Israel’s boarders from the river to the sea to become greater Israel.

The genocide and ethnic cleansing to achieve this from the river to the sea greater Israel project might be counter productive to this ‘safety of Israelis’ of which you speak.

Though, regardless, you’d support the genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Edited June 20Jun 20 by Chomper Higgot

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

jewry? you mean americans of jewish descent?

got it. you get your facts from Der Sturmer.

but u are right, like nazis dangling from ropes doesnt eradicate their filthy mentally ill philosophy.

No it lives to the day in the belief of race superiority, ethnic cleansing and genocide.

The lessons of the Nazis have not been forgotten, they’ve been learned.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It might also be expanding Israel’s boarders from the river to the sea to become greater Israel.

The genocide and ethnic cleansing to achieve this from the river to the sea greater Israel project might be counter productive to this ‘safety of Israelis’ of which you speak.

Though, regardless, you’d support the genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Defence requirements .

And Yes I fully support Israel's actions against terrorist groups even if it means taking their land