41 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

The thing I can't quite agree with (or come to terms with) is that Netanyahu talked Trump into this attack on his own. We know from multiple sources that Trump doesn't read the briefs he's given by his experts (on any issue), but it seems unlikely that he'd just do what "Bibi" wants. So who else had his ear and influenced him into this unprovoked US attack on Iran? There must have been other players that had his ear. Jared Kushner his son in law? The Adelson family (biggest US donor to Trump)? Others? This is really a deep throat investigation needed - but given the sensitivity of anything "jewish" in America, I wonder if anyone will uncover this.

One issue that doesn't get discussed much is the issue of INSURING oil tankers in the strait of Hormuz.

Link below, here's an excerpt. which basically shows if there is too much instability in that region, the cost of insuring an oil tanker can fluctuate wildly. Trumps wants to stabilize it:

https://www.thedailyscrumnews.com/the-war-behind-the-war-how-lloyds-of-london-controls-the-flow-of-global-oil/

What once cost $50,000 to insure can climb to $1 million or more in a matter of days when a region is deemed unstable.

From AI:

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So now your self defined BS rule is that we're obligated to respond to all stupid troll posts even from people we have on ignore. Now that's stupid.

Calling out your hypocrisy.

23 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Calling out your hypocrisy.

With a lie.

1 hour ago, ronnie50 said:

The thing I can't quite agree with (or come to terms with) is that Netanyahu talked Trump into this attack on his own. We know from multiple sources that Trump doesn't read the briefs he's given by his experts (on any issue), but it seems unlikely that he'd just do what "Bibi" wants. So who else had his ear and influenced him into this unprovoked US attack on Iran? There must have been other players that had his ear. Jared Kushner his son in law? The Adelson family (biggest US donor to Trump)? Others? This is really a deep throat investigation needed - but given the sensitivity of anything "jewish" in America, I wonder if anyone will uncover this.

No mystery,.

He acts on impulse and gut feelings.

His life experience is that he's made many big mistakes in his long life that would have ruined a normal person but he always gets away with it. So it's not like he's going to change st his age.

The last kind of person you'd want to be a president.

1 hour ago, ronnie50 said:

Two years ago, I would have hesitantly agreed with you on this. Now, I feel the whole country - every person in Israel - carries the shame and complicity. I also think I am with the majority world view on this. Hand-wringing by the Israeli left is a kind of 'oi-vey' gesture that just doesn't cut it anymore. Anti Bibi protests etc.. Nope sorry. They are all in the same soup. now.

Think what you want.

The anti Netanyahu protests in Israel are mostly about a different set of issues than you seem to think.

Does Israel have a right to exist? The 'Land of Israel' in antiquity was an area of the Levant with frequently changing borders and often made up of more than one kingdom. At various times it was controlled by the Babylonians, then the Achaemenid Persians. it then fell into the hands of Alexander the Great, followed by the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt and then the Seleucids (Persia again). It was then briefly independent before being conquered by Rome in 63 BC.

Although allowed a degree of Autonomy, frequent revolts ended in the total destruction of Judea and Jerusalem and the displacement, enslavement or death of most of the population. Israel ceased to exist for over 1800 years. During this time the area was resettled by immigrants and Jews in what was now known as Palestine were a small minority.

Fast forward about 1750 years, and the Zionist movement sprung up in Central and eastern Europe, Partially on the back of the wave of European nationalist movements and due to anti-Semitism, and advocating for a Jewish state. Then came the Great war (WW1). The Balfour declaration was an attempt to raise Jewish support for the UK in the war, by establishing a friendly state to the East of the Suez canal (although no state was actually promised, and the UK also made promises to the Arabs and the French promising land. in the letter it stated:

" it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"

Following the end of the war, various Zionists settled in Palestine - but in such numbers that conflict with the existing population started - causing Jewish migration to be restricted. But after the end of WW2, massive numbers of Jewish refugees flooded into Palestine, survivors of the holocaust. The USA then pressurised the newly formed UN into creating a Jewish state. War immediately broke out, and large parts of the existing Arab population were ethnically cleansed from the new state of israel. Further wars from 1967 onwards saw Israel take over parts of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon, with populations in these areas having reduced rights and often forcibly displaced from their homes, with homes and land being taken over by Jewish settlers (particularly on the west bank).

To crush opposition, the Israeli state has assassinated more than 500 individuals who they considered threats over the years, in surrounding territories and states. As many as 186,000 Palestinian and Lebanese have been killed, many of them civilians. Since the start of the Gaza war, Ethnic cleansing , torture, sexual abuse, forced starvation, denial of medical services and killings of non-combatants have become common place. There has been no real peace for over 50 years.

So Israel has been created by continuous abuse and killing of the original communities of Palestine, and neighbouring countries.

Is this a country that has a right to exist?

12 minutes ago, rickudon said:

Does Israel have a right to exist? The 'Land of Israel' in antiquity was an area of the Levant with frequently changing borders and often made up of more than one kingdom. At various times it was controlled by the Babylonians, then the Achaemenid Persians. it then fell into the hands of Alexander the Great, followed by the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt and then the Seleucids (Persia again). It was then briefly independent before being conquered by Rome in 63 BC.

Although allowed a degree of Autonomy, frequent revolts ended in the total destruction of Judea and Jerusalem and the displacement, enslavement or death of most of the population. Israel ceased to exist for over 1800 years. During this time the area was resettled by immigrants and Jews in what was now known as Palestine were a small minority.

Fast forward about 1750 years, and the Zionist movement sprung up in Central and eastern Europe, Partially on the back of the wave of European nationalist movements and due to anti-Semitism, and advocating for a Jewish state. Then came the Great war (WW1). The Balfour declaration was an attempt to raise Jewish support for the UK in the war, by establishing a friendly state to the East of the Suez canal (although no state was actually promised, and the UK also made promises to the Arabs and the French promising land. in the letter it stated:

" it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"

Following the end of the war, various Zionists settled in Palestine - but in such numbers that conflict with the existing population started - causing Jewish migration to be restricted. But after the end of WW2, massive numbers of Jewish refugees flooded into Palestine, survivors of the holocaust. The USA then pressurised the newly formed UN into creating a Jewish state. War immediately broke out, and large parts of the existing Arab population were ethnically cleansed from the new state of israel. Further wars from 1967 onwards saw Israel take over parts of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon, with populations in these areas having reduced rights and often forcibly displaced from their homes, with homes and land being taken over by Jewish settlers (particularly on the west bank).

To crush opposition, the Israeli state has assassinated more than 500 individuals who they considered threats over the years, in surrounding territories and states. As many as 186,000 Palestinian and Lebanese have been killed, many of them civilians. Since the start of the Gaza war, Ethnic cleansing , torture, sexual abuse, forced starvation, denial of medical services and killings of non-combatants have become common place. There has been no real peace for over 50 years.

So Israel has been created by continuous abuse and killing of the original communities of Palestine, and neighbouring countries.

Is this a country that has a right to exist?

The Jewish people are way more "original" in Israel than Arabs.

Your narrative is extremely biased.

Does your country have a right to exist?

Why do racist Jew haters focus on only one country in the entire world that they say doesn't have the right to exist? Something is rotten with that.

You have the wrong country-Time For Regime Change, In Iran.

14 minutes ago, Dan747 said:

You have the wrong country-Time For Regime Change, In Iran.

Trump screwed the Iranian people by promising help when there were mass protests and then doing nothing and letting them get mass murdered.

If he was going to act against Iran he missed the right timing for that big time.

To add thinking a country would benefit from regime change (as Russia, Iran, Israel, and the USA clearly would) is not the same thing as arguing that a nation should not even exist.

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1 hour ago, rickudon said:

Is this a country that has a right to exist

you cant do anything about it, the jews are tougher, smarter and braver than their cowardly enemies.

to be a jew hater is to be a coward

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All you guys defending Israel are looking stupider and crazier day by day.

More proof that Israel is evil.

Ben Gvir declares that "all of Lebanon must burn".

Because 4 IDF soldiers were killed !!!

So now he feels justified in killing women and children !!!

Iran is right. Israel is a threat to humanity.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/all-lebanon-must-burn-israeli-minister-ben-gvir-declares

Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir said "all of Lebanon must burn" in a social media post after the deaths of four Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon, drawing a response from the Iranian foreign minister, who labelled the Israeli leadership a "threat to all of humanity".

Edited June 22Jun 22 by save the frogs

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

All you guys defending Israel are looking stupider and crazier day by day.

More proof that Israel is evil.

Ben Gvir declares that "all of Lebanon must burn".

Because 4 IDF soldiers were killed !!!

So now he feels justified in killing women and children !!!

Iran is right. Israel is a threat to humanity.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/all-lebanon-must-burn-israeli-minister-ben-gvir-declares

Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir said "all of Lebanon must burn" in a social media post after the deaths of four Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon, drawing a response from the Iranian foreign minister, who labelled the Israeli leadership a "threat to all of humanity".

Although I do support Israel, I do not agree with Ben Gvirs extreme viewpoint

23 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

And the feminine, special boi energy that women find gross and men find aggravating.

Entitled special boi pussies are a hard sell whichever culture they reside in:

What is special boi energy ?

On 6/21/2026 at 4:48 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

What on earth caused you to think I was referring to Israel?

I did not mention Israel.

Perhaps you yourself recognized some kind of a connection that was not in anything I actually said.

OK, so who was it a reference too ?

If you wasn't talking about Israel, who WAS you talking about ?

13 hours ago, Dan747 said:

You have the wrong country-Time For Regime Change, In Iran.

Nobody doubts that, but I'm talking about Israel. They're supposed to be the good guys, remember? But now I'm being told by Jewish people on this forum that the Gaza massacres, the Jewish settlers running rampant and the systemic rape and abuse in Israeli prisons aren't even that important to Israelis?

Well, it seems the good guys aren't so good after all.

9 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

the systemic rape and abuse in Israeli prisons aren't even that important to Israelis?

Who has told you that ?

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Who has told you that ?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/5/7/palestinians-expose-torture-and-sexual-violence-in-israeli-detention

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8dy8r7lq0go

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/7022/%E2%80%9CAnother-genocide-behind-walls%E2%80%9D:-New-report-documents-testimonies-of-rape-and-sexual-violence-in-Israeli-prisons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Gaza_war

1 hour ago, BLMFem said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/5/7/palestinians-expose-torture-and-sexual-violence-in-israeli-detention

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8dy8r7lq0go

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/7022/%E2%80%9CAnother-genocide-behind-walls%E2%80%9D:-New-report-documents-testimonies-of-rape-and-sexual-violence-in-Israeli-prisons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Gaza_war

Which Israelis told you that it wasn't an important issue ?

That was the question

On 6/20/2026 at 12:11 AM, emptypockets said:

So you want what the Nazis didn't achieve?Totally eradication of the Jews?

Don't get me wrong, I have no love for Jews, nor any hate, but for God's sake they are people and deserve to live the same as anyone else.

On 6/20/2026 at 12:11 AM, emptypockets said:

So you want what the Nazis didn't achieve?Totally eradication of the Jews?

Don't get me wrong, I have no love for Jews, nor any hate, but for God's sake they are people and deserve to live the same as anyone else.

Yes, many deserve to live but not have the freedom to carry out the current genocide just because they believe they can.

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5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Although I do support Israel, I do not agree with Ben Gvirs extreme viewpoint

But support genocide?

9 minutes ago, Artisi said:

But support genocide?

there is no genocide, another jew hate lie.

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

But support genocide?

Yes, I support the genocide of Hamas and Hezbollah , Iranian regime and Houthis too

8 hours ago, Yagoda said:

there is no genocide, another jew hate lie.

Get your facts straight if that is possible, I don't hate Jews for one minute, I hate the genocide being carried out by the Zionist - therein lies a big difference, but probably beyond your comprehension.

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Yes, I support the genocide of Hamas and Hezbollah , Iranian regime and Houthis too

Along with all the innocent women, children and others who have nothing to do with it, well done, it certainly highlights your outstanding character.

20 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Get your facts straight if that is possible, I don't hate Jews for one minute, I hate the genocide being carried out by the Zionist - therein lies a big difference, but probably beyond your comprehension.

sure you do. the use of the term genocide shows it. but, hey whatever makes you feel better

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

sure you do. the use of the term genocide shows it. but, hey whatever makes you feel better

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

What do you call the killing of innocent women and children that seems to given you a cozy warm feeling?

2 minutes ago, Artisi said:

What do you call the killing of innocent women and children that seems to given you a cozy warm feeling?

what do i call it?

exaggerated numbers

nebulous definition of innocent

human shields

unavoidable casualties in urban warfare in a battlefield chosen by the aggressors

as many as 300,000 german civilians died in the battle of berlin. was that a genocide? war is hell, dont start one.

genocide is what you get when you herd the herreros into the desert or turn the troops loose in armenian villages or shoot 35,000 women, children and old folks in a ravine.

you can show no credible evidence of mass murder and no credible evidence of any extermination policy on the part of israel

so your use of the term genocide is historically wrong and the speech symbol of jew haters. be a man (although thats an oxymoron with jew haters) and own it.

you and your ilk can now dig through your propaganda to argue

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

what do i call it?

exaggerated numbers

nebulous definition of innocent

human shields

unavoidable casualties in urban warfare in a battlefield chosen by the aggressors

as many as 300,000 german civilians died in the battle of berlin. was that a genocide? war is hell, dont start one.

genocide is what you get when you herd the herreros into the desert or turn the troops loose in armenian villages or shoot 35,000 women, children and old folks in a ravine.

you can show no credible evidence of mass murder and no credible evidence of any extermination policy on the part of israel

so your use of the term genocide is historically wrong and the speech symbol of jew haters. be a man (although thats an oxymoron with jew haters) and own it.

you and your ilk can now dig through your propaganda to argue

So happy for you that you can justified to yourself as what has passed and what is still on going on.