I'm sure I'm not the only one having started off life as staunchly pro-Israel, but that have gradually been disillusioned over the years, and especially during the last decade.

Back in the day, Israel was an easy country to root for and be sympathetic to, due to the horrors of the Holocaust and the fact that Israel was a democratic island in a sea of autocracies/theocracies.

But Israel, under the rule of Benjamin Netanyahu, has become increasingly more violent, strident and nationalistic, increasingly more willing to bulldozer ahead no matter the body count.

Everyone who's not a racist/psycho acknowledges that the Hamas-led 7. Oct terrorist attack was a sickening act of violence, but so too has Israel's reaction to it been. Wholesale slaughter of women children, civilians. Genocide.

Jewish settlers are allowed to run rampant, killing Arabs/Palestinians for fun, and in Israeli prisons, systematic sexual abuse and torture has been well documented. And now, they've started attacking Lebanon again, possibly to derail the deal ending the Iran war.

Yes, Israel is allowed to protect itself, but that's not what this is. This is wholesale slaughter. Netanyahu and his government must go. Hopefully the next election will take care of that.

I'm linking to an article just written by former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. It's free to read but requires you to register an e-mail address.

'Israel Is Conducting a Systematic Campaign of Ethnic Cleansing and Crimes Against Humanity in the West Bank'

'These are unprecedented and harsh accusations against an Israeli government and the defense establishment, especially from a former prime minister. But after years of restraint, I have no choice but to make them'

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2026-06-18/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israel-is-conducting-a-systematic-campaign-of-ethnic-cleansing-in-the-west-bank/0000019e-db02-d7a4-a99f-dfce00a20000

"The fight against Jewish terrorism in the West Bank must advance to the next stage and be waged with greater determination. The daily terrorism that is managed, directed, encouraged and supported by the Israeli government can no longer be tolerated.

Today, it must be said that the State of Israel is conducting an organized, systematic, state-funded campaign of ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity. Not in the Gaza Strip, not in southern Lebanon, not in Syria, but in areas of the West Bank that are under the exclusive security control of the state and its security and law enforcement apparatus."

Edited June 19Jun 19 by BLMFem

When a government minister writes this you know things are out of control.

So you want what the Nazis didn't achieve?Totally eradication of the Jews?

Don't get me wrong, I have no love for Jews, nor any hate, but for God's sake they are people and deserve to live the same as anyone else.

Edited June 19Jun 19 by emptypockets

The left seems to love Iran and hate Israel

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The left seems to love Iran and hate Israel

Where did anyone say they love Iran?

Always the same childish arguments. If you criticise Trump you love terorrists and want men in women's showers (always this obsession).

If you criticise Israel you love Iran. It's playground stuff.

So you think this is an appropriate thing for a government minister to say?

For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn

Yeah yeah, you'll back with something like I must support terrorism or bring some trans thing in to it as per your usual obsession.

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Where did anyone say they love Iran?

Always the same childish arguments. If you criticise Trump you love terorrists and want men in women's showers (always this obsession).

If you criticise Israel you love Iran. It's playground stuff.

So you think this is an appropriate thing for a government minister to say?

For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn

Yeah yeah, you'll back with something like I must support terrorism or bring some trans thing in to it as per your usual obsession.

Is it your position no one loves Iran?

Why must you always make thing up?

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Where did anyone say they love Iran?

Always the same childish arguments. If you criticise Trump you love terorrists and want men in women's showers (always this obsession).

If you criticise Israel you love Iran. It's playground stuff.

So you think this is an appropriate thing for a government minister to say?

For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn

Yeah yeah, you'll back with something like I must support terrorism or bring some trans thing in to it as per your usual obsession.

I hear what you're saying..... in my case if I don't criticize Trump I am a super maga nazi fascist lover.

Even after making my stance quite clear the same old tired cliché name calling always rears its ugly head.

1 hour ago, emptypockets said:

So you want what the Nazis didn't achieve?Totally eradication of the Jews?

Don't get me wrong, I have no love for Jews, nor any hate, but for God's sake they are people and deserve to live the same as anyone else.

not in the eyes of the jew haters here.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

The left seems to love Iran and hate Israel

its just jew hate. thats the unifying factor of the left

Israeli elections are coming up.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Is it your position no one loves Iran?

Why must you always make thing up?

Why do you always twist things? It's chilish.

You said the left loves Iran. I asked you who has said they love Iran. Then your come back is "is my position no-one loves Iran"?

I've had more fulfilling debates with a toddler.

6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Why do you always twist things? It's chilish.

You said the left loves Iran. I asked you who has said they love Iran. Then your come back is "is my position no-one loves Iran"?

I've had more fulfilling debates with a toddler.

I never said the left loves Iran.

I said it seems like the left loves Iran.

Does it not seem that way to you?

54 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I never said the left loves Iran.

I said it seems like the left loves Iran.

Does it not seem that way to you?

i would contend they dont care about iran except as a vehicle for murderous jew hate

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

i would contend they dont care about iran except as a vehicle for murderous jew hate

You’re obsessed with Jews

If Bibbi' fails hopefully there is a winning candidate that's a bit more right wing.

11 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Where did anyone say they love Iran?

.

It is a bait! And only that

8 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Why do you always twist things? It's chilish.

You got chills, they re multiplying .

Are you losing control ?

12 hours ago, BLMFem said:

And now, they've started attacking Lebanon again, possibly to derail the deal ending the Iran war.

First post ever that I agree with you on.

Trump wants Syria to handle Hezbollah in Lebanon because he doesn't like the way Israel is handling it.

Vance is not on board with Israel and hopefully he gets elected in 2028 and will cut them off permanently.

14 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

First post ever that I agree with you on.

Trump wants Syria to handle Hezbollah in Lebanon because he doesn't like the way Israel is handling it.

Vance is not on board with Israel and hopefully he gets elected in 2028 and will cut them off permanently.

Vance will never cut off Israel, but if the dems take the White House in '28 Israel is done.

There really is no logical reason that one can come up with to defend Hamas. They are a terrorist organization after all and they do engage in terror. I was not referring to the defense of Hamas. I was referring to the criticism of Israel and believe me as an American Jew I take a lot of flack for criticizing Israeli government policy, and that goes back 40 years, and that's a fact. The Israeli lobby, the Israeli government, and many Jews and Christians are highly intolerant of any criticism of Israel. Any. Period.

They are obsessed with the old testament an eye for an eye. And this way the chief nutter can pander even more to his extremist supporters, who possess enough hatred in their hearts for the entire nation.

The number one reason is the fact that Israel spends more money on lobbying the US than any other entity on the planet. In addition they are very skillful at demonizing anyone who criticizes Israel or Israeli policy on any level and accusing them of anti-Semitism which is total BS.

The second reason is the fact that the other Jewish lobbies have a tremendous amount of influence and Congress in the Senate are scared to death of alienating them.

And the third reason is that Trump seems to be Netanyahu's man's slave, much the same as he is Putin's man's slave, so Congress and the Senate are afraid of doing anything that might piss off the chief goon.

Nothing ever happens in a vacuum. Cause and effect. Oppression and being treated as second class citizens leads to unrest. This has happened throughout history. It is happening in that area now. Some political science professors would refer to it as blowback. Israel has become an obnoxious bully. 

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

its just jew hate. thats the unifying factor of the left

Not sure what you're talking about.

Biden was bragging about being a Zionist.

30 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Israel has become an obnoxious bully. 

I'd agree with that and would add that if you consider the reason the State of Israel was established, an obnoxious bully with short memories.

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Vance will never cut off Israel, but if the dems take the White House in '28 Israel is done.

Not even sure I will have time to watch this as it's 47 minutes, but apparently Vance is attacking the Israel govt.

So looks like you may be WRONG.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Not even sure I will have time to watch this as it's 47 minutes, but apparently Vance is attacking the Israel govt.

So looks like you may be WRONG.

There is a big difference between attacking the government, and cutting the country off.

16 hours ago, emptypockets said:

So you want what the Nazis didn't achieve?Totally eradication of the Jews?

Don't get me wrong, I have no love for Jews, nor any hate, but for God's sake they are people and deserve to live the same as anyone else.

How on earth did this go from me saying "Netanyahu and his government must go. Hopefully the next election will take care of that." to you saying "So you want what the Nazis didn't achieve?Totally eradication of the Jews?"?

Genuinely curious.

16 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The left seems to love Iran and hate Israel

14 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Is it your position no one loves Iran?

Why must you always make thing up?

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

not in the eyes of the jew haters here.

its just jew hate. thats the unifying factor of the left

6 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I never said the left loves Iran.

I said it seems like the left loves Iran.

Does it not seem that way to you?

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

i would contend they dont care about iran except as a vehicle for murderous jew hate

Tell me you have NOTHING without telling me you have NOTHING.😆

And no, pearl clutching, smoke blowing and gaslighting doesn't count, okay?

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Israeli elections are coming up.

Yes, I sincerely hope the Israelis come to their senses and elect someone that aren't murderous thugs, because genocide is a bad thing, and not only for those who die.

Israel's reputation is in tatters globally, so a new government has a big job ahead of it, much like the US.

Some people say "well, look at the other countries in the region, they're no better". Yes, but Israel is a socially liberal and democratic country, so if it wants our support it needs to be able to be held to higher standards than their neighbours.

However, those standards have been lacking for a long time.

4 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Yes, I sincerely hope the Israelis come to their senses and elect someone that aren't murderous thugs, because genocide is a bad thing, and not only for those who die.

Israel's reputation is in tatters globally, so a new government has a big job ahead of it, much like the US.

Some people say "well, look at the other countries in the region, they're no better". Yes, but Israel is a socially liberal and democratic country, so if it wants our support it needs to be able to be held to higher standards than their neighbours.

However, those standards have been lacking for a long time.

Sorry the majority of Israeli voters don't agree with your genocide narrative so they're not going to elect a leader that does. However there are excellent Israeli focussed reasons to dump Netanyahu so there is hope for that.

16 hours ago, emptypockets said:

So you want what the Nazis didn't achieve?Totally eradication of the Jews?

Sounds like typical Jew hysteria.

There are around 8 million Jewry in north America.

Israel imploding and every single Jew there being butchered by their Muslim neighbors does not mean total eradication of the Jews.

Stop being so dramatic.

31 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

I sincerely hope the Israelis come to their senses and elect someone that aren't murderous thugs

Then send those with international warrants for their arrest on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity to the ICC to have their day in court. 🙂

44 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Sorry the majority of Israeli voters don't agree with your genocide narrative so they're not going to elect a leader that does. However there are excellent Israeli focussed reasons to dump Netanyahu so there is hope for that.

Sorry to hear that the slaughter that took place in Gaza wasn't enough to sway the Israeli electorate. Reminds me about the situation in the US where MAGA are OK with ICE killings, the killing of pot smugglers, tariffs, TACO's, in-your-face grift, and only gets concerned when the price of gas goes up.