16 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

16 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Just shows how naive you are, All country's make mistakes, some more that others. and as my birth country it is none of your business and again, i reiterate it is against forum rules to ask a poster his personnel business, Far from it hating America it was once a great country a thriving democratic country, but what is it now an failing autocratic democracy run by a madman, who does not care about the people, the world is laughing at America, you are doing it to yourself look at the latest debacle, the reflecting pool, do you not realize this has gone world wide, and it is showing the world how very poor American workmanship and quality is !! and how corrupt your government is !!

Now why i lump Americans into one is you are a nation !! not individuals A nation is fundamentally a collection of people who share a collective identity, typically based on a common culture, therefore you are All responsible for what happens as a nation

America did save the world from tyranny, many times keep on think that America arrogance

Try posting once without an assumption. That you don't understand something doesn't make me naive. If you can't stick up for your country, don't bother replying to me, as it makes you look dishonest. Saying you're from England isn't personal business. It's a pretty big country. If you can trash Americans, come clean or stop, as that's flaming Americans. if you dislike Trump that's a different story, as even many Americans despise him.

I also don't care if you lived in the US for awhile as it still doesn't give you the right to trash Americans based on what a politician does. That you're in denial about history isn't my fault. You say the world is laughing at America yet there are millions of dollars of daily trade daily with most all other countries. laugh but America is making it's money.S top assuming or bother someone else with your hatred. You can't claim a country and don't understand what individuals means.

What has Australia done about helping Iran's citizens? You asked Fredwiggy, Australia like the UK have kept our noses out of Iran its none of our Buisness how a country runs itself. Sadly America feels it needs to police the Planet. We see Russia comitting war crimes and invading another country killing men woman and children, I didn't see America storming into to Moscow to end Russia's Tyrant.

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

What has Australia done about helping Iran's citizens? You asked Fredwiggy, Australia like the UK have kept our noses out of Iran its none of our Buisness how a country runs itself. Sadly America feels it needs to police the Planet. We see Russia comitting war crimes and invading another country killing men woman and children, I didn't see America storming into to Moscow to end Russia's Tyrant.

The Ukraine needed help and we gave it. They can handle Russia and America shouldn't get into a conflict with Russia but sit back and wait for Putin to be ousted, then try to again align the two countries. America does act like the world police and they did good before, along with making mistakes, which comes with that. America is all countries in one, so we look to help everyone because of that. Easy to understand. Australia was deeply involved in other wars along with the US. This time they stayed out.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The Ukraine needed help and we gave it. They can handle Russia and America shouldn't get into a conflict with Russia but sit back and wait for Putin to be ousted, then try to again align the two countries. America does act like the world police and they did good before, along with making mistakes, which comes with that. America is all countries in one, so we look to help everyone because of that. Easy to understand. Australia was deeply involved in other wars along with the US. This time they stayed out.

Yes you gave help but as typical yank you backed off and now it is Oh America shouldn't get into a conflict with Russia why do you think all Americas allies backed off help in iran !! because you are wrong !!! same as Afghanistan, iraq, And who asked for America to be the worlds police man !!! look after your own people who don't have homes or cannot buy grocery stay out of world affairs as you don't have a good track record

and you are the one putting words in peoples mouth who said i was from England that is you !! which is wrong by the way ! typical arrogant yank

Edited June 28Jun 28 by MikeandDow

4 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Yes you gave help but as typical yank you backed off and now it is Oh America shouldn't get into a conflict with Russia why do you think all Americas allies backed of help in iran !! because you are wrong !!! same as Afghanistan, iraq, And who asked for America to be the worlds police man !!! look after your own people who don't have homes or cannot buy grocery stay out of world affairs as you don't have a good track record

You're lumping again. I didn't back off of anything, nor did the other millions of Americans. The president made decisions, hopefully ones that will have things better in the future. Not up to us. There is no typical yank. That's a prejudiced statement garnered from limited exposure to Americans. Your opinion.

I didn't say you were from England. I said saying you're from England, using it as a possible place, would give me reasons to show you where that country's politicians went wrong. Just like America's has.

Give Donald a call and see if he listens to you.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by fredwiggy

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Let me know when you'll stop looking at the obvious and concentrate on the end result. You hate America, so best to take that prejudice elsewhere, as that's the reason things like wars happen.

Bringing up an accident about the school is lame, as it happens in every war, and Iran alone has killed thousands of their own people, and will continue unabated until something is done about it.

What has Australia done about helping Iran's citizens?

The Strait is open, and now Iran's citizens can take matters into their own hands. Up to them, or allow it to continue. Iran tries terrorism outside it's country again, it will see what real destruction means, as the US didn't show but a sample of what it can do military wise. Iran's citizens do not want US troops there, as does anyone else............

Most citizens in Iran do not feel bitter about the lack of U.S. ground troops. Instead, opinions are mixed. While some who desire regime change initially supported foreign intervention, many others firmly oppose foreign occupation, fearing the devastating costs of war and the destabilization of their country.

Perspectives within the Iranian populace generally divide into several camps:

• Desire for Internal Liberation: Many Iranians desperately want the theocratic government to end, but they largely believe regime change should come from within—driven by public mobilization rather than foreign ground forces, whose arrival many fear could lead to widespread destruction and civilian casualties.Deep Distrust of Western Intervention: With the long historical shadow of past interventions (such as the 1953 coup), a significant portion of the population is skeptical of U.S. motives and strongly rejects any form of foreign military footprint, viewing it as a violation of sovereignty.

• Shift to Anti-War Sentiment: As the conflict shifted toward degrading military capabilities rather than direct regime overthrow, anxiety over the conflict has heightened. The devastation of early U.S. and Israeli airstrikes has led many to prioritize immediate peace and survival over the prospect of foreign military salvation.

• Nationalist and "Rally 'Round the Flag" Effects: The external threat has caused some citizens—even those deeply dissatisfied with the regime—to express resentment toward foreign military actions and lean toward nationalist sentiments rather than backing U.S. intervention.

• Like i said, up to them now.

Having Trump on your mind 24/7 isn't a healthy thing, as it keeps one one sided thinking, not allowing the real reasons things happen to evolve.

Your head might take some removal, as it's clearly one sided and buried in prejudice.

Obviously, having your head where i mention does not impede you from talking out of it. It's lame to talk about 165 dead schoolkids? You have all the empathy of a rattlesnake.

Let's be clear, shall we? The Strait of Hormuz is not open. you are posting a lie.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by Lacessit

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You're lumping again. I didn't back off of anything, nor did the other millions of Americans. The president made decisions, hopefully ones that will have things better in the future. Not up to us. There is no typical yank. That's a prejudiced statement garnered from limited exposure to Americans. Your opinion. Give Donald a call and see if he listens to you.

Ok you are a nation of individuals sovereign citizen seen those nutjobs on you tube !! had enough of this crap !!

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Obviously, having your head where i mention does not impede you from talking out of it.

Let's be clear, shall we? The Strait of Hormuz is not open. you are posting a lie.

Obviously, your head is buried deep somewhere, as technically open isn't enough for your petulance. Best to sit back and wait, as you also don't know any more than what you hear on videos. I didn't say the Strait has returned to pre-conflict status. I get the news you do, along with some you don't

.Current Shipping Situation:

• Traffic Volume: Daily transits have increased to several dozen ships per day, but this remains a fraction of the normal pre-conflict average of around 140 daily crossings. Over 200 vessels that were previously stranded in the Gulf have begun making the journey out. 

• Separated Channels: The Strait has essentially split into two paths. Iran has established its own route requiring fees or approval from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), while international ships rely on an alternative channel hugging the Omani coastline, supported by international de-mining efforts. 

• Safety Risks: Heightened risks persist due to potential sea mines and occasional military provocations. The United Nations and international bodies periodically adjust and pause evacuation efforts or routing guidelines depending on daily security incidents in the region. 

• Re-Routing: Many commercial operators—especially container lines—continue to bypass the region entirely by routing vessels around the Cape of Good Hope, which adds over a week to transit times but guarantees safety. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hormuz-open-barely-moving-2026-06-24/

Edited June 28Jun 28 by fredwiggy

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Let me know when you'll stop looking at the obvious and concentrate on the end result. You hate America, so best to take that prejudice elsewhere, as that's the reason things like wars happen.

Bringing up an accident about the school is lame, as it happens in every war, and Iran alone has killed thousands of their own people, and will continue unabated until something is done about it.

What has Australia done about helping Iran's citizens?

The Strait is open, and now Iran's citizens can take matters into their own hands. Up to them, or allow it to continue. Iran tries terrorism outside it's country again, it will see what real destruction means, as the US didn't show but a sample of what it can do military wise. Iran's citizens do not want US troops there, as does anyone else............

Most citizens in Iran do not feel bitter about the lack of U.S. ground troops. Instead, opinions are mixed. While some who desire regime change initially supported foreign intervention, many others firmly oppose foreign occupation, fearing the devastating costs of war and the destabilization of their country.

Perspectives within the Iranian populace generally divide into several camps:

• Desire for Internal Liberation: Many Iranians desperately want the theocratic government to end, but they largely believe regime change should come from within—driven by public mobilization rather than foreign ground forces, whose arrival many fear could lead to widespread destruction and civilian casualties.Deep Distrust of Western Intervention: With the long historical shadow of past interventions (such as the 1953 coup), a significant portion of the population is skeptical of U.S. motives and strongly rejects any form of foreign military footprint, viewing it as a violation of sovereignty.

• Shift to Anti-War Sentiment: As the conflict shifted toward degrading military capabilities rather than direct regime overthrow, anxiety over the conflict has heightened. The devastation of early U.S. and Israeli airstrikes has led many to prioritize immediate peace and survival over the prospect of foreign military salvation.

• Nationalist and "Rally 'Round the Flag" Effects: The external threat has caused some citizens—even those deeply dissatisfied with the regime—to express resentment toward foreign military actions and lean toward nationalist sentiments rather than backing U.S. intervention.

• Like i said, up to them now.

Having Trump on your mind 24/7 isn't a healthy thing, as it keeps one one sided thinking, not allowing the real reasons things happen to evolve.

Your head might take some removal, as it's clearly one sided and buried in prejudice.

This appears to be a somewhat 'unhinged' rant, replete with threats and rather obvious projection. Accusing others of being 'one-sided. You appear fixated on the fantasy of Iran needing to be saved by Israel and the USA and so you base your whole premise on that. Accept that others can have a valid opinion, rather than dismissing them as 'hating America'. That's just the same tactic, as the people who try to dismiss any criticism of Israel as 'Jew-hater'.

I suggest that you are becoming somewhat emotionally involved in this discussion, leading you to express irrational thoughts.

Why cant you get it into your head Fred, thanks to your President he caused Economic misery around the world with oil and fuel prices going through the roof, and before you come back with the old " Iran prevented tankers passing through the Straits nonsense " Trump caused all this, by sticking his nose into Irans buisness.

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

Why cant you get it into your head Fred, thanks to your President he caused Economic misery around the world with oil and fuel prices going through the roof, and before you come back with the old " Iran prevented tankers passing through the Straits nonsense " Trump caused all this, by sticking his nose into Irans buisness.

As per normal for yanks !! now the latest from the madman is he wants “There may come a point when we are no longer able to be reasonable, and will be forced to militarily complete the job that we very successfully started,” he added. “If that happens, the Islamic Republic of Iran will no longer exist!”

Trump has a fixation on nukes he would love to set one off Somebody needs to stop this lunatic !!

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We all remember his early comments such as " We will bomb Iran back to the stone age " We have killed there leader, we have sent there navy to the bottom of the Arabian Gulf , there Airforce is finished we have total Air Superiority, We smashed all there missile and Drone sites. I will stop this war in Weeks he boasted, well yesterday Iranian Missiles targeted American bases in Bahraine and Kuwait Fred. The Ceasefire is over now the threats are starting again from him " Weeks to finish the job ? Thanks to your President America is Staring into the Vietnam Syndrome again.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by BarraMarra

11 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Why cant you get it into your head Fred, thanks to your President he caused Economic misery around the world with oil and fuel prices going through the roof, and before you come back with the old " Iran prevented tankers passing through the Straits nonsense " Trump caused all this, by sticking his nose into Irans buisness.

Get what into my head? You get the same news I do, and I get some you don't. I don't jump to conclusions about where this is going but wait and see, like i have all along with all politicians actions. Fuel prices in America are about 90 cents higher now than when I visited last year. Oil prices are now lower, although some gas prices in other countries are a little higher also. War does this, and if the outcome is better in the long run it's worth it. Adults have seen things like this happen all their lives, and it will level out soon enough................https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jy7d7wzv4o.

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

We all remember his early comments such as " We will bomb Iran back to the stone age " We have killed there leader, we have sent there navy to the bottom of the Arabian Gulf , there Airforce is finished we have total Air Superiority, We smashed all there missile and Drone sites. I will stop this war in Weeks he boasted, well yesterday Iranian Missiles targeted American bases in Bahraine and Kuwait Fred. The Ceasefire is over now the threats are starting again from him " Weeks to finish the job ? Thanks to your President America is Staring into the Vietnam Syndrome again.

And if Iran continues shooting, they will continue to be bombed. America hasn't used but a portion of what they could if needed. Iran is resilient, but they need their money also. What Trump says is hot air much of the time, but no one here knows all thats going on, no matter what the media says.America doesn't want to bomb Iran nor hurt its infrastructure, no matter what Trump says.

Why did America start a war with Iran ? Fuel prices were ok before this and cost of living is affecting us in the UK due to Fertlisers shortage so fruit and veg prices are soaring all because of Trumps folly, Aviation fuel price soaring Ticket prices going up to pay for this. Why didnt he just keep his nose out.

Unvbelieavable Arrogance " America doesn't want to hurt anyone " tell that to the 150 kids parent's who burried there Children My God.

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Why did America start a war with Iran ? Fuel prices were ok before this and cost of living is affecting us in the UK due to Fertlisers shortage so fruit and veg prices are soaring all because of Trumps folly, Aviation fuel price soaring Ticket prices going up to pay for this. Why didnt he just keep his nose out.

You means besides watching thousands of Iran's citizens being tortured and killed for speaking, along with their attacks on US soldiers and others? AI has a few answers, even though some listen to other's opinions and think it's gospel...................

The United States and Israel launched coordinated military strikes against Iran in February 2026, driven by a conclusion that diplomacy had failed to contain Iran's nuclear ambitions and regional aggression. The conflict was spurred by Iran's advancing nuclear development, ballistic missile capabilities, and ongoing support for proxy groups throughout the Middle East.

Core Motivations for the Conflict:

• Nuclear & Ballistic Threat: U.S. and Israeli leadership determined that Iran was on the verge of breaking out to a nuclear weapon and that preemptive military action was necessary to neutralize the threat to global security and U.S. allies.

• Regional Destabilization: Washington pointed to years of mounting hostility, including Iran's support for proxy networks, drone and missile attacks on commercial shipping in the Strait of Hormuz, and the violent internal suppression of domestic protesters.

• Decisive Regime Action: The operation was heavily advocated by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who sought to decisively strike Iran's military capabilities and remove the theocratic leadership after a breakdown in diplomatic negotiations..............https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2dyz6p3weo. Wiki explains it also, along with many other links,..........https://www.ajc.org/news/the-iran-strikes-explained-how-we-got-here-and-what-it-means .......some opinions and some factual, so again, a person has to decide what they think is right...........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You might want to take some time away from here and search the world news. Again, there aren't any typical yanks. just as there aren't any typical MikeandDows from a non existent country.

Yep got the word right !!! quote from your boss "There may come a point when we are no longer able to be reasonable, and will be forced to militarily complete the job that we very successfully started,” he added. “If that happens, the Islamic Republic of Iran will no longer exist!” America wanting to commit genocide !!

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Unvbelieavable Arrogance " America doesn't want to hurt anyone " tell that to the 150 kids parent's who burried there Children My God.

You still think that was intentional? Iran's killing of thousands of innocents, including women and children, has that looking a lot smaller, though it's still a tragedy.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by fredwiggy

2 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Yep got the word right !!! quote from your boss "There may come a point when we are no longer able to be reasonable, and will be forced to militarily complete the job that we very successfully started,” he added. “If that happens, the Islamic Republic of Iran will no longer exist!” America wanting to commit genocide !!

Believing everything you hear, especially from a man like Trump, doesn't leave room for anything besides naivete. Threats are always made, as they work.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You means besides watching thousands of Iran's citizens being tortured and killed for speaking, along with their attacks on US soldiers and others? AI has a few answers, even though some listen to other's opinions and think it's gospel...................

The United States and Israel launched coordinated military strikes against Iran in February 2026, driven by a conclusion that diplomacy had failed to contain Iran's nuclear ambitions and regional aggression. The conflict was spurred by Iran's advancing nuclear development, ballistic missile capabilities, and ongoing support for proxy groups throughout the Middle East.

Core Motivations for the Conflict:

• Nuclear & Ballistic Threat: U.S. and Israeli leadership determined that Iran was on the verge of breaking out to a nuclear weapon and that preemptive military action was necessary to neutralize the threat to global security and U.S. allies.

• Regional Destabilization: Washington pointed to years of mounting hostility, including Iran's support for proxy networks, drone and missile attacks on commercial shipping in the Strait of Hormuz, and the violent internal suppression of domestic protesters.

• Decisive Regime Action: The operation was heavily advocated by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who sought to decisively strike Iran's military capabilities and remove the theocratic leadership after a breakdown in diplomatic negotiations..............https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2dyz6p3weo. Wiki explains it also, along with many other links,..........https://www.ajc.org/news/the-iran-strikes-explained-how-we-got-here-and-what-it-means .......some opinions and some factual, so again, a person has to decide what they think is right...........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war

You are full of B/S There was no Nuclear & Ballistic Threat and the US intelligence has said that !! Iran was at least 1 to2 yrs away just because they have 60% material does not make a bomb because AI say that does not make it true

Decisive Regime Action Benjamin Netanyahu, is a known lair as is trump

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You still think that was intentional? Iran's killing of thousands of innocents has that looking a lot smaller, though it's still a tragedy.

It was because of a person saying no quarter !! and he is responsible for killing kids

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Believing everything you hear, especially from a man like Trump, doesn't leave room for anything besides naivete. Threats are always made, as they work.

He is your leader your representative to the world who should the world believe or should it just oh !! that's trump do not believe him, the man has his hands on a nuclear trigger , you are really Delusional or should we wait and bury our heads in the sand !!

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

You are full of B/S There was no Nuclear & Ballistic Threat and the US intelligence has said that !! Iran was at least 1 to2 yrs away just because they have 60% material does not make a bomb because AI say that does not make it true

Decisive Regime Action Benjamin Netanyahu, is a known lair as is trump

If you would notice before you comment, that was from AI. If you also noticed, there are links that support that AI. Guess you don't realize what that Uranium was going to be used for. How would you know who's lying unless you can prove them wrong? That's like those 3 here that always assume about members. it doesn't work. Try to understand this. I'm not all for what Trump does or has done.

The problem your having is putting the blame on Americans, which is prejudiced thinking. You can say the voters are responsible because they're the reason he's in office, but they were only hoping Trump would do some good for America, just as those who didn't vote for him are.

If you don't understand why America went into this war, and fail to see what Iran's regime has been doing for decades, there's nothing more to say, as that would make you out to be just an American hater or prejudiced for no real reasons, as no Americans have ever done you wrong that I've heard, unless you're talking about Trump who made some prices increase temporarily, which is what happens in all conflicts that have some legitimate reasons for starting.

Or you should research into why this has happened, taking all sides into thought, as there are many opinions that aren't right, and some facts that are. Remember what you believe might not be the truth, as some believe others because they sound good, or are handsome or pretty.

Fred like it or not what Iran does to its own people is up to them its none of our buisness. Assad killed more Syrians who were opposing him. You only attack another country if there attacking you, Iran did not attack America.

2 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

He is your leader your representative to the world who should the world believe or should it just oh !! that's trump do not believe him, the man has his hands on a nuclear trigger , you are really Delusional or should we wait and bury our heads in the sand !!

Trump doesn't need to, nor want, to use nuclear weapons. No matter what people have you believe, it's much about money, which rich people who are involved want to flow, and that won't come from an extended or nuclear war.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Try posting once without an assumption

Good idea. So stop claiming other posters hate America.

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

Fred like it or not what Iran does to its own people is up to them its none of our buisness. Assad killed more Syrians who were opposing him. You only attack another country if there attacking you, Iran did not attack America.

They attacked us and others with terrorism, either directly or by aiding our enemies. True, some say we shouldn't get involved when countries like Iran, Korea, Myanmar, some African countries and Russia targets civilians, including women and children, rapes and torture, but those with a conscience do.

America, again, is all countries in one place, which means citizens from all countries. Why shouldn't they get involved? If you help one country and let another do what they please, that shows you care only for one country and not another. Peace has to be the final endgame, and eliminating terrorists and those connected is the only way peace comes to this world.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by fredwiggy

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Good idea. So stop claiming other posters hate America.

If you look at what they say it's obvious. I see prejudice every day here. if you're okay with it, you're part of the problem. Prejudice is much like hatred. Not exactly the same in emotions, but just as dangerous. Yes, it might not be true hate but prejudice. I've seen what other countries have done to either it's people or Americans over time, but I don't hate or aren't prejudiced against anyone

Edited June 28Jun 28 by fredwiggy