3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If you look at what they say it's obvious. I see prejudice every day here. if you're okay with it, you're part of the problem. Prejudice is much like hatred. Not exactly the same in emotions, but just as dangerous. Yes, it might not be true hate but prejudice.

You don't even realise you're doing exactly what you're preaching against.

"Try posting once without an assumption."

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3 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

It is a Fact trump has a fascination since the eighty's about nuclear weapons and has said he would like to see one go off!1 that is one of the reason he has started nuclear testing again, you already have said not to trust anything the man says !! so should the world disregard this latest threat a nutjob president with his hand on a nuclear trigger we should all go and bury our head in the sand !! you really are Delusional! or very naive

I never said don't trust anything, but take it with a grain of salt. he has done some good, and again, we need to wait for the end result of this conflict before judging. if it ends up as a disaster, then I'll be there blaming Trump also. Trump would not use a nuclear weapon.

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You don't even realise you're doing exactly what you're preaching against.

"Try posting once without an assumption."

Observation of what's actually happening isn't an assumption.

And you think Terroism will be ended fred ? Just how are you going to end this ? bombing Civilisations back to the stone age maybe. You or should I say we will never end Terroism. In England we were subjected to Terroists from the IRA killing many by planting bombs in bars and shopping centre's and Army personel, but we never thought to Bomb Northern Ireland back to the stone age.

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

They attacked us and others with terrorism, either directly or by aiding our enemies. True, some say we shouldn't get involved when countries like Iran, Korea, Myanmar, some African countries and Russia targets civilians, including women and children, rapes and torture, but those with a conscience do.

America, again, is all countries in one place, which means citizens from all countries. Why shouldn't they get involved? If you help one country and let another do what they please, that shows you care only for one country and not another. peace has to be the final endgame, and eliminating terrorists and those connected is the only way peace comes to this world.

That is a fine sentiment if America finished what it started but it has not look at the mess it left in Afghanistan Afghans who help the USA promised visas but left to be killed by the Taliban

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

And you think Terroism will be ended fred ? Just how are you going to end this ? bombing Civilisations back to the stone age maybe. You or should I say we will never end Terroism. In England we were subjected to Terroists from the IRA killing many by planting bombs in bars and shopping centre's and Army personel, but we never thought to Bomb Northern Ireland back to the stone age.

The more it's stopped, the better chance there is for education of those who might become involved with that radical thinking. Killing others isn't normal thinking, although young minds can be brainwashed. This starts at home, and if your dad is radical, you likely will also be. No one has said to bomb civilians besides threats made which were only threats. I'm half Irish so fully aware what went on back then. Radical thinking instead of negotiations. You don't hurt civilians to get a point across. You target who's doing the killing. All life's problems start at home, so that';s where the education needs to be. It might take a very long time if ever, but you don't let terrorists get away with anything. The former presidents did.

2 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

That is a fine sentiment if America finished what it started but it has not look at the mess it left in Afghanistan Afghans who help the USA promised visas but left to be killed by the Taliban

Yes, and in Vietnam also. Mistakes trying to make peace, done the wrong ways.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I never said don't trust anything, but take it with a grain of salt. he has done some good, and again, we need to wait for the end result of this conflict before judging. if it ends up as a disaster, then I'll be there blaming Trump also. Trump would not use a nuclear weapon.

So should the world take your word of a poster on Asean now !! that trump will not use a nuke get real !!

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, and in Vietnam also. Mistakes trying to make peace, done the wrong ways.

so why are you still doing it !! butt out! go home ! stop threatening people they have there own problems stop being the worlds policemen

the world would be better off without you but you wont its the America arrogant s

Edited June 28Jun 28 by MikeandDow

17 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

so why are you still doing it !! butt out! go home ! stop threatening people they have there own problems stop being the worlds policemen

the world would be better off without you but you wont its the America arrogant s

It isn't me. I'm in Thailand. Understand now?

21 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

So should the world take your word of a poster on Asean now !! that trump will not use a nuke get real !!

I think you're over emphasizing the power of a regular citizen unless provoked. Of course he would never use one. The military doesn't need one and Americans don't want to kill innocents.

Remind us how many were killed and who bombed it fred in Oklahoma, Americas worst bombing, and you say American's dont want to kill innocents.

As much as many appreciated Trump...years back, he is now becomming a danger to the world. But it's not his fault. It's the fault of all those before him like Obama, Clinton, Biden whos absurd policies have in their manner, created trouble all over. Which ultimately led people to get fed up and vote for Trump alikes,

As long as society and all its absurd woke and rubbish talk politicians are around, there will always be people rightfully wanting to have Trumps in power, to stop all the BS talk and actions. Take care first of your own before telling others what to do.

Israel steered in a very smart way and is doing all it's possible with their proxies to sabotage the attempt of peace in Ormuz. A bit like Ukraine was doint with Russia in bombing pipelines and then accusing Russia.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Observation of what's actually happening isn't an assumption.

Astounding lack of self reflection.

13 minutes ago, stevenl said:

14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Astounding lack of self reflection.

Wrong person to psychoanalyze. Go back and read what I said at first, taking away our previous disagreements, which can make you prejudiced, and see that I was right in what I said.

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Remind us how many were killed and who bombed it fred in Oklahoma, Americas worst bombing, and you say American's dont want to kill innocents.

I'm sure you understand I meant most Americans. Every country has it's share of loonies. Ours does also, maybe more than we like to know, but the average American is just like those in your country and just wants to live in peace, with their families, in their homes, going to church on Sundays and coming back home to BBQ in the backyard.

Loving our children and hoping they grow up to be responsible adults.

Enjoying our hobbies and hoping for an afterlife.

Wars suck. I don't like to see anyone killed, but the Nazis, terrorists, molesters, rapists, murderers of innocents and others like them deserve it. There are people on earth that don't belong with the decent ones, and to have peace they need to be either taught while young or eliminated before they cause havoc. I see no other way around this.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm sure you understand I meant most Americans. Every country has it's share of loonies. Ours does also, maybe more than we like to know, but the average American is just like those in your country and just wants to live in peace, with their families, in their homes, going to church on Sundays and coming back home to BBQ in the backyard.

Loving our children and hoping they grow up to be responsible adults.

Enjoying our hobbies and hoping for an afterlife.

Wars suck. I don't like to see anyone killed, but the Nazis, terrorists, molesters, rapists, murderers of innocents and others like them deserve it. There are people on earth that don't belong with the decent ones, and to have peace they need to be either taught while young or eliminated before they cause havoc. I see no other way around this.

You lumping thought you are individuals so how are you going to separate them, Nazis, terrorists, molesters, rapists, murderers of innocents go to the right, others to the left, that has been done before, it was called the Holocaust!! in some country's terrorists are called freedom fighters, how far do you take murders of innocents, the Americans responsible for the missile attack on the iran school kids as an example, but most of all IT is not Americas problem, country's have to grow, most of the developed country's have done atrocities, look at what America did to native American, nearly wipe them out, other country did not start a war and say don't do that to the natives,

it is you arrogance thinking you are the leaders of the free world, well wake up you are not !!

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26 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

You lumping thought you are individuals so how are you going to separate them, Nazis, terrorists, molesters, rapists, murderers of innocents go to the right, others to the left, that has been done before, it was called the Holocaust!! in some country's terrorists are called freedom fighters, how far do you take murders of innocents, the Americans responsible for the missile attack on the iran school kids as an example, but most of all IT is not Americas problem, country's have to grow, most of the developed country's have done atrocities, look at what America did to native American, nearly wipe them out, other country did not start a war and say don't do that to the natives,

it is you arrogance thinking you are the leaders of the free world, well wake up you are not !!

An unintentional missile strike on a school because of bad intel , likely from Iran itself, isn't murdering . Read up on what the target was supposed to be. Then read up on the thousands of Iranians they killed who were innocents and murdered in cold blood. Quite a difference. Terrorism has a definition. it isn't freedom fighters.

Freedom Fighters

• The Goal: They fight to liberate a group of people from oppression, foreign occupation, or tyranny, typically seeking self-determination, civil rights, or human rights

• The Targets: They typically follow the laws of armed conflict, aiming their actions strictly at military targets, government infrastructure, and armed oppressors.

• The Perception: They are widely viewed as legitimate resistance movements by the international community or by the people they are fighting to liberate. (For example, George Washington and the American colonists were viewed as rebels and terrorists by the British Crown, but achieved the status of freedom fighters when they won the war).

Terrorists

• The Goal: They may have political, ideological, or religious objectives, but the means to achieve them relies on coercion and fear. [1, 2]

• The Targets: They deliberately target civilians, non-combatants, and public infrastructure to maximize fear, disrupt society, and force a government or population to meet their demands.

• The Perception: Their methods are universally condemned under international humanitarian law and they are designated as extremist or criminal organizations by governments and global bodies like the United Nations.

• America is not the leaders of the free world. Every country are their own entity. America, again seeing you keep missing this point, is a super power comprised of all countries in one place. There were no Americans here a long time ago. They're all immigrants from all countries. this is a good reason they want to defend other countries.

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9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

An unintentional missile strike on a school because of bad intel , likely from Iran itself, isn't murdering . Read up on what the target was supposed to be. Then read up on the thousands of Iranians they killed who were innocents and murdered in cold blood. Quite a difference. Terrorism has a definition. it isn't freedom fighters.

Freedom Fighters

• The Goal: They fight to liberate a group of people from oppression, foreign occupation, or tyranny, typically seeking self-determination, civil rights, or human rights

• The Targets: They typically follow the laws of armed conflict, aiming their actions strictly at military targets, government infrastructure, and armed oppressors.

• The Perception: They are widely viewed as legitimate resistance movements by the international community or by the people they are fighting to liberate. (For example, George Washington and the American colonists were viewed as rebels and terrorists by the British Crown, but achieved the status of freedom fighters when they won the war).

Terrorists

• The Goal: They may have political, ideological, or religious objectives, but the means to achieve them relies on coercion and fear. [1, 2]

• The Targets: They deliberately target civilians, non-combatants, and public infrastructure to maximize fear, disrupt society, and force a government or population to meet their demands.

• The Perception: Their methods are universally condemned under international humanitarian law and they are designated as extremist or criminal organizations by governments and global bodies like the United Nations.

• America is not the leaders of the free world. Every country are their own entity. America, again seeing you keep missing this point, is a super power comprised of all countries in one place. There were no Americans here a long time ago. They're all immigrants from all countries. this is a good reason they want to defend other countries.

Lets take this first, An unintentional missile strike on a school because of bad intel so you admit it was bad intel !! before a missile is fired there are international law protocols to be gone through

1. Proportionality: The expected collateral damage to civilians or civilian property must not be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the strike.

2. Precaution: Attackers must take all feasible precautions to verify that targets are military objectives and choose means/methods of warfare that avoid or at least minimize incidental loss of civilian life

   If a commander realizes that a target is no longer a military objective, or that the strike violates the proportionality rule, they are legally required to cancel or suspend the missile launch.

   The schoolchildren and their primary school were not legitimate targets. International humanitarian law strictly prohibits targeting schools or civilians.

   An investigation by the U.S. military and independent experts concluded the February 2026 missile strike in Minab, Iran, was the result of a tragic targeting error. The target was placed on an intelligence list because the building previously housed a naval base for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). However, the property had been walled off from the base and was actively functioning as a girls' elementary school at the time of the attack

   investigations into the strike's legality and calls for accountability. preliminary findings in the New York Times

   This is all down to Hegseth no quarter given!!

Terrorism defies definition. We all know one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter; or in some cases, one man’s terrorist is another’s recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. The use of the word “terrorist” by both sides of the current conflict between Hamas and Israel underline its ambiguity.

Yasser Arafat classed as a Terrorist won the peace prize

Menachem Begin classed as a Terrorist won the peace prize

Nelson Mandela classed as a Terrorist won the peace prize

You say America is a country of immigrants which is totally correct so why are you deporting so many without due process

https://theconversation.com/one-mans-freedom-fighter-can-we-ever-define-terrorism-11051

2 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Lets take this first, An unintentional missile strike on a school because of bad intel so you admit it was bad intel !! before a missile is fired there are international law protocols to be gone through

1. Proportionality: The expected collateral damage to civilians or civilian property must not be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the strike.

2. Precaution: Attackers must take all feasible precautions to verify that targets are military objectives and choose means/methods of warfare that avoid or at least minimize incidental loss of civilian life

   If a commander realizes that a target is no longer a military objective, or that the strike violates the proportionality rule, they are legally required to cancel or suspend the missile launch.

   The schoolchildren and their primary school were not legitimate targets. International humanitarian law strictly prohibits targeting schools or civilians.

   An investigation by the U.S. military and independent experts concluded the February 2026 missile strike in Minab, Iran, was the result of a tragic targeting error. The target was placed on an intelligence list because the building previously housed a naval base for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). However, the property had been walled off from the base and was actively functioning as a girls' elementary school at the time of the attack

   investigations into the strike's legality and calls for accountability. preliminary findings in the New York Times

   This is all down to Hegseth no quarter given!!

Terrorism defies definition. We all know one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter; or in some cases, one man’s terrorist is another’s recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. The use of the word “terrorist” by both sides of the current conflict between Hamas and Israel underline its ambiguity.

Yasser Arafat classed as a Terrorist won the peace prize

Menachem Begin classed as a Terrorist won the peace prize

Nelson Mandela classed as a Terrorist won the peace prize

You say America is a country of immigrants which is totally correct so why are you deporting so many without due process

https://theconversation.com/one-mans-freedom-fighter-can-we-ever-define-terrorism-11051

Like I mentioned, a mistake.......An investigation by the U.S. military and independent experts concluded the February 2026 missile strike in Minab, Iran, was the result of a tragic targeting error. The target was placed on an intelligence list because the building previously housed a naval base for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

Many for this reason................Expedited Removal: Federal law allows for "expedited removal," which bypasses the standard immigration court hearing. This process is actively used for individuals apprehended at or near the border, or noncitizens who entered unlawfully and cannot prove they have been continuously present in the U.S. for a specified period (such as two years) prior to their arrest. Under this process, immigration officers can issue removal orders without an appearance before a judge.

But......No, undocumented immigrants in the U.S. are generally not deported without due process. However, the amount of due process they receive varies significantly based on how long they have been in the country, their proximity to the border, and the legal pathways available to them.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by fredwiggy

1 hour ago, SingAPorn said:

As much as many appreciated Trump...years back, he is now becomming a danger to the world. But it's not his fault. It's the fault of all those before him like Obama, Clinton, Biden whos absurd policies have in their manner, created trouble all over. Which ultimately led people to get fed up and vote for Trump alikes,

As long as society and all its absurd woke and rubbish talk politicians are around, there will always be people rightfully wanting to have Trumps in power, to stop all the BS talk and actions. Take care first of your own before telling others what to do.

Israel steered in a very smart way and is doing all it's possible with their proxies to sabotage the attempt of peace in Ormuz. A bit like Ukraine was doint with Russia in bombing pipelines and then accusing Russia.

"As much as many appreciated Trump...years back, he is now becomming a danger to the world. But it's not his fault. It's the fault of all those before him like Obama, Clinton, Biden..."

Sure... Straight after Trumps playbook: It's always the others fault.

"As long as society and all its absurd woke and rubbish talk politicians are around, there will always be people rightfully wanting to have Trumps in power..."

So the society (!) and all its absurd woke and rubbish talk has to be stopped by people rightfully wanting to have autocrats or dictotors like Trump in power..."

"...to stop all the BS talk and actions."

BS talk and actions by Trump, and his admin are ok for you?

"A bit like Ukraine was doint with Russia in bombing pipelines and then accusing Russia. "

So Russia is bombing since Febraury 2022 Hospitals, Kindergardens, civil infrastructure etc. And you blame Ukraine for bombing refineries and military relevant infrastructre?

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Like I mentioned, a mistake.......An investigation by the U.S. military and independent experts concluded the February 2026 missile strike in Minab, Iran, was the result of a tragic targeting error. The target was placed on an intelligence list because the building previously housed a naval base for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

Many for this reason................Expedited Removal: Federal law allows for "expedited removal," which bypasses the standard immigration court hearing. This process is actively used for individuals apprehended at or near the border, or noncitizens who entered unlawfully and cannot prove they have been continuously present in the U.S. for a specified period (such as two years) prior to their arrest. Under this process, immigration officers can issue removal orders without an appearance before a judge.

But......No, undocumented immigrants in the U.S. are generally not deported without due process. However, the amount of due process they receive varies significantly based on how long they have been in the country, their proximity to the border, and the legal pathways available to them.

Yes a mistake Tell that to the mothers yes a mistake nobody responsible for the mistake tell that to the mothers when life is at stake it should have been triple checked you yanks should be ashamed killing school kids and you think Iran is bad so are you yanks

this is a war crime killing school kids

and "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. is no longer !!

Edited June 28Jun 28 by MikeandDow

8 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Yes a mistake Tell that to the mothers yes a mistake nobody responsible for the mistake tell that to the mothers when life is at stake it should have been triple checked you yanks should be ashamed killing school kids and you think Iran is bad so are you yanks

this is a war crime killing school kids

and "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. is no longer !!

Yes, tell that to the thousands of mothers and children who were killed by that regime.A war crime is when citizen killings are intentional. Not good to be fixated on this topic, as it wasn't intentional but a tragedy and a mistake.

There is no question that the re-election of Trump is a wet dream for both Putin, Xi, and all despots around the world.

Having somebody so fabulously incompetent, so spectacularly ignorant, and so unable to negotiate anything even resembling a good deal for the US, is definitely a huge assist to adversaries areas around the world. 

He is certainly playing in

China's hands, making them more powerful, far more influential, and increasing the influence of BRICS dramatically. The goon is diminishing the U.S every day he wakes up, and the end result is not going to be pretty. 

 

But even as an American, I can admit that diminishing US influence by the day, may end up being a good thing for the world in the long run. The days of American hubris are winding down thanks to Don the Destroyer.

9 minutes ago, MAGA88 said:

So-what's the problem?BUy a ticket,take a plane and go to Iran.

Are you in the running to take over the top troll position here or just like posting sarcasm? Like another mentioned, you seem familiar but a little more out there.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by fredwiggy

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, tell that to the thousands of mothers and children who were killed by that regime.A war crime is when citizen killings are intentional. Not good to be fixated on this topic, as it wasn't intentional but a tragedy and a mistake.

Fatal mistakes can cross the line into war crimes if military forces act with criminal negligence, disregard the rules of engagement, or launch attacks that fail to distinguish between civilians and combatants.

Troll post removed @MAGA88 discuss the topic and not other posters. I suggest you read and start following forum rules or expect additional moderation sanctions.