8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Indeed.

Most of the English team are not English.

Seems DEI quotas only work in one direction in two tier Britain.

There are some strange surnames in most of the European, and USA team members.

12 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I WAS discussing the topic of the thread. Your hatred of the white English working class. That's the only thing that stood out in your opening post.

You're worse than Thornberry.

I frequently advise members against posting personal information on the forum, you never know who might use it against you.

Likewise posting photos of your gaff Jonny, it’s friendly advice I offer not to post it online.

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I frequently advise members against posting personal information on the forum, you never know who might use it against you.

Likewise posting photos of your gaff Jonny, it’s friendly advice I offer not to post it online.

Oh. So you think implying that this perfectly fine house in a working class area is mine is a huge insult. 😄

You're such a snob Higgot. Your seething hatred of the working classes oozes from every pore. No wonder you're such a huge fan of Labour/Starmer.

40 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

There are some strange surnames in most of the European, and USA team members.

Indeed.

It's no coincidence that those countries are also the ones suffering politically, socially and economically.

Sorry, I meant to say Diversity is our greatest strength 3 times. 👏

45 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

There are some strange surnames in most of the European, and USA team members.

'STRANGE NAMES' compared to what?

Strange to you is standard / common names to many others.

And there's no full standard protocla re placement of surnames / family names:

e.g. 'foo lou who: in Chinese cutlture - foo is the family name

lou is the fist name and who s the second name.

Not same in many societies.

And some Indonesian (and other folks) have only one name and there's ongoing argument whether the one word is a first name or family name?

On 7/7/2026 at 7:18 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Over 300,000 kids bunk off school, seemingly more interested in football than education.

I wonder if these are the same kids the rightwing pearl clutchers insist are being discriminated against in schools?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/jul/06/thousands-of-children-absent-from-school-in-wake-of-overnight-england-world-cup-win

bunk ?

4 minutes ago, scorecard said:

'STRANGE NAMES' compared to what?

Strange to you is standard / common names to many others.

And there's no full standard protocla re placement of surnames / family names:

e.g. 'foo lou who: in Chinese cutlture - foo is the family name

lou is the fist name and who s the second name.

Not same in many societies.

And some Indonesian (and other folks) have only one name and there's ongoing argument whether the one word is a first name or family name?

China and Indonessia are not in the World Cup

Edited July 9Jul 9 by wil iam not

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Indeed.

Most of the English team are not English.

Seems DEI quotas only work in one direction in two tier Britain.

What about Declan Rice ?

Where does he come from ?

Edited July 9Jul 9 by Nick Carter icp

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What about Declan Rice ?

Where does he come from ?

Rice has Irish heritage as does Kane

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Indeed.

Most of the English team are not English.

Seems DEI quotas only work in one direction in two tier Britain.

'Not my team' eh, Jonny? Lack of 'indigenous' English players with pure Pict blood in the squad.

Going to take a leaf out of the moronic NF followers' book by refusing to count goals scored by black England players as goals.

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

'Not my team' eh, Jonny? Lack of 'indigenous' English players with pure Pict blood in the squad.

Going to take a leaf out of the moronic NF followers' book by refusing to count goals scored by black England players as goals.

It was an observation Raymond. An accurate one. Or perhaps you are unaware that English is an ethnicity?

Please quote me where I said any of the other nonsense you suggested. 😄

You're really getting increasingly desperate to resort to such a bizarre strawman. Surely you can find something that I "actually" said to argue against? 😀

38 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It was an observation Raymond. An accurate one. Or perhaps you are unaware that English is an ethnicity?

Please quote me where I said any of the other nonsense you suggested. 😄

You're really getting increasingly desperate to resort to such a bizarre strawman. Surely you can find something that I "actually" said to argue against? 😀

I replied to this point in another thread. It's reproduced below for ease of reference.

Wrt "Going to take a leaf out of the moronic NF followers' book by refusing to count goals scored by black England players as goals"? My bad. I forgot to add the '?'. Happy now?

Strawman? Your favourite word. So much so that you've taken to redefining it.

--++++++++++++++++++++++

" .. the number of 'pure breed' indigenous English living today is Infinitesimal.

So what is an Englishman? Essentially a nationality because English ethnicity is extinct. 21st century Englishmen are mongrels. We all have - to varying degrees - bits of ancient English tribe, Celt, Anglo-Saxon, Roman, Norman, African, Indian, you name it, in our DNA.

But these facts, especially the non-white parts, don't sit well with you do they, Jonny?"

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Oh. So you think implying that this perfectly fine house in a working class area is mine is a huge insult. 😄

You're such a snob Higgot. Your seething hatred of the working classes oozes from every pore. No wonder you're such a huge fan of Labour/Starmer.

Not at all Jonny, I’m just concerned you might get stalked, or just as bad, get flooded with begging letters.

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

'STRANGE NAMES' compared to what?

Strange to you is standard / common names to many others.

And there's no full standard protocla re placement of surnames / family names:

e.g. 'foo lou who: in Chinese cutlture - foo is the family name

lou is the fist name and who s the second name.

Not same in many societies.

And some Indonesian (and other folks) have only one name and there's ongoing argument whether the one word is a first name or family name?

And the Burmese don't use family names at all.

Chomper - Are u gay?

No need to answer if you dint want to
.

Edited July 9Jul 9 by Tourist2

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What about Declan Rice ?

Where does he come from ?

You would have thought China with having Rice as a surname 😏

1 hour ago, Tourist2 said:

Chomper - Are u gay?

No need to answer if you dint want to
.

This isn’t a dating site.

Best wishes finding what you are looking for elsewhere.

3 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Chomper - Are u gay?

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This isn’t a dating site.

Knew it!
My Gaydar remains undefeated!

AI on hirtlifters and their tendencies towards nonsence posey virtue signalling type opinions:

LGBT individuals (especially in the US and West) disproportionately support left/progressive causes, including what critics call "Cultural Marxism." Polls consistently show ~80%+ leaning Democrat/liberal.

pewresearch.org

Empirical patterns

• Pew (2024): Gay/bisexual men ~83% Democrat/lean; lesbians similar. Straight men tilt GOP.

  pewresearch.org

• Gallup, Williams Institute, CCES: LGBT ~50-65% Democrat vs. general population; ~2x as liberal; only 12-21% conservative/Republican.

  news.gallup.com

• Exit polls: 64-86% Democrat presidential vote. Stronger among younger/urban.

  en.wikipedia.org

• This extends beyond gay rights to economics, race, immigration, gender, speech norms.

There is real ideological clustering, not universal—LGBT conservatives exist (Log Cabin Republicans, older/religious/White subgroups), and views aren't monolithic.

en.wikipedia.org

Core reasons (interest, history, selection)

1. Group interest and threat perception: Post-1960s, mainstream right/conservative institutions (churches, traditional families, GOP platforms) opposed decriminalization of sodomy, military service (Don't Ask Don't Tell), marriage (DOMA), adoption, and later gender policies. Democrats aligned earlier with civil rights framing. Progressive coalitions frame opposition as existential ("erasure," discrimination). Data shows higher reported stigma avoidance and mental health links to policy debates among LGBT.

   americanprogress.org

   This creates loyalty to the side perceived as protective, even as legal equality advanced (Obergefell 2015 onward).

2. Historical origins: Gay liberation (post-Stonewall 1969) emerged from New Left/counterculture, not classical liberalism. Groups like Gay Liberation Front mixed Marxism, feminism, anti-capitalism ("Gay liberation is impossible without socialist revolution"). Early Mattachine Society had communist ties; European socialist parties (SPD) backed Hirschfeld's efforts pre-WWII. Frankfurt School critical theory (Marcuse et al.) and later queer theory (Foucault, Butler) reframed sexuality as power/oppression construct, deconstructing "heteronormativity" alongside family, capitalism, patriarchy.

   marxists.org +1

   Oppressor/oppressed lens fit identity over class.

3. Personality, urban, subculture, and selection effects:

   • Open homosexuality correlates with openness to experience (Big Five personality), novelty-seeking, lower disgust sensitivity—traits predicting leftism on social issues.

   • Urban concentration (creative cities, academia, media) where progressive norms dominate.

   • Subculture reinforcement: Media, academia, NGOs amplify identity politics. Dissent (e.g., "not all gays think X") risks ostracism.

   • Bidirectional: Liberal environments may increase identification/coming out (polls show higher LGBT % among young liberals: 20-30%+ vs. conservatives).

     miwi-institut.de

4. Ideological fit: "Cultural Marxism" (pejorative for Frankfurt School critical theory → postmodernism → intersectionality) reframes society via multiple identities (race, gender, sexuality) as power struggles, prioritizing liberation from "norms." This maps to rejecting traditional sexual/family structures that marginalized same-sex attraction. Classical Marxism focused on class/economics and was often hostile to homosexuality (Stalinist USSR, China); the cultural shift was adaptation after proletarian revolution failed in the West. Critics (e.g., Lind) saw Marcuse's "polymorphous perversity" and coalitions (Blacks, feminists, gays) as explicit. Defenders call this conspiracy; the influence on humanities is documented.

   en.wikipedia.org
   
   The pattern is real and persistent. It's driven by perceived self-defense, subcultural capture, and alignment with anti-traditionalist frameworks that gained traction in post-1960s institutions.
   

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Indeed.

Most of the English team are not English.

Seems DEI quotas only work in one direction in two tier Britain.

If Isambard Kingdom Brunel played for England, would you consider him to be English ?

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I know going to Uni was an unobtainable dream for you Higgot, but it's really not so incredible that one would need to lie about it. 😄

I reckon Chomps probably did go to university - it's where many people are indoctrinated with these sneery pseudo elitest opinions - This type of hiGh bRoW sIGnaLLiNg is often an attempt to distance someone from their humble roots.
(i dOn'T LiKe fOOtBall cos i'M nO lOnGeR wOrKinG cLaSS / tHe wOrKinG cLasS aRe fOR bReXiT sO i hAvE tO bE aGaiNsT etc.).
----

----
To the OP/Chomper:
The match was excellent (plenty of thrills and spills (and unltimately a hard won England WIN!) and, combined with the super weather we've been having, excellent for Yookay morale. It will live long in the memories of those kids.
That's a good thing and a great counter to all the constant demoralisation campaingns from these b****** yookay politicians. <deleted> 'em!

Maybe you (Chomper) should go to a bar to watch the game on Saturday - wear a white or red t-shirt have a couple of beers and try to act normal.
You might even enjoy yourself!

.

Edited July 9Jul 9 by Tourist2

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

If Isambard Kingdom Brunel played for England, would you consider him to be English ?

Since he was born in England the answer is YES!

Isambard Kingdom Brunel was born on 9 April 1806 in Britain Street, Portsea, Portsmouth, Hampshire.^[

3 minutes ago, Why bother said:

Since he was born in England the answer is YES!

Isambard Kingdom Brunel was born on 9 April 1806 in Britain Street, Portsea, Portsmouth, Hampshire.^[

Yeah, thanks for that .

I was testing Jonny, and YOU ruined that .

24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

If Isambard Kingdom Brunel played for England, would you consider him to be English ?

I think him being dead might scupper Brunel's chances of a call-up😉

56 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Knew it!
My Gaydar remains undefeated!

AI on hirtlifters and their tendencies towards nonsence posey virtue signalling type opinions:

LGBT individuals (especially in the US and West) disproportionately support left/progressive causes, including what critics call "Cultural Marxism." Polls consistently show ~80%+ leaning Democrat/liberal.

pewresearch.org

Empirical patterns

• Pew (2024): Gay/bisexual men ~83% Democrat/lean; lesbians similar. Straight men tilt GOP.

  pewresearch.org

• Gallup, Williams Institute, CCES: LGBT ~50-65% Democrat vs. general population; ~2x as liberal; only 12-21% conservative/Republican.

  news.gallup.com

• Exit polls: 64-86% Democrat presidential vote. Stronger among younger/urban.

  en.wikipedia.org

• This extends beyond gay rights to economics, race, immigration, gender, speech norms.

There is real ideological clustering, not universal—LGBT conservatives exist (Log Cabin Republicans, older/religious/White subgroups), and views aren't monolithic.

en.wikipedia.org

Core reasons (interest, history, selection)

1. Group interest and threat perception: Post-1960s, mainstream right/conservative institutions (churches, traditional families, GOP platforms) opposed decriminalization of sodomy, military service (Don't Ask Don't Tell), marriage (DOMA), adoption, and later gender policies. Democrats aligned earlier with civil rights framing. Progressive coalitions frame opposition as existential ("erasure," discrimination). Data shows higher reported stigma avoidance and mental health links to policy debates among LGBT.

   americanprogress.org

   This creates loyalty to the side perceived as protective, even as legal equality advanced (Obergefell 2015 onward).

2. Historical origins: Gay liberation (post-Stonewall 1969) emerged from New Left/counterculture, not classical liberalism. Groups like Gay Liberation Front mixed Marxism, feminism, anti-capitalism ("Gay liberation is impossible without socialist revolution"). Early Mattachine Society had communist ties; European socialist parties (SPD) backed Hirschfeld's efforts pre-WWII. Frankfurt School critical theory (Marcuse et al.) and later queer theory (Foucault, Butler) reframed sexuality as power/oppression construct, deconstructing "heteronormativity" alongside family, capitalism, patriarchy.

   marxists.org +1

   Oppressor/oppressed lens fit identity over class.

3. Personality, urban, subculture, and selection effects:

   • Open homosexuality correlates with openness to experience (Big Five personality), novelty-seeking, lower disgust sensitivity—traits predicting leftism on social issues.

   • Urban concentration (creative cities, academia, media) where progressive norms dominate.

   • Subculture reinforcement: Media, academia, NGOs amplify identity politics. Dissent (e.g., "not all gays think X") risks ostracism.

   • Bidirectional: Liberal environments may increase identification/coming out (polls show higher LGBT % among young liberals: 20-30%+ vs. conservatives).

     miwi-institut.de

4. Ideological fit: "Cultural Marxism" (pejorative for Frankfurt School critical theory → postmodernism → intersectionality) reframes society via multiple identities (race, gender, sexuality) as power struggles, prioritizing liberation from "norms." This maps to rejecting traditional sexual/family structures that marginalized same-sex attraction. Classical Marxism focused on class/economics and was often hostile to homosexuality (Stalinist USSR, China); the cultural shift was adaptation after proletarian revolution failed in the West. Critics (e.g., Lind) saw Marcuse's "polymorphous perversity" and coalitions (Blacks, feminists, gays) as explicit. Defenders call this conspiracy; the influence on humanities is documented.

   en.wikipedia.org
   
   The pattern is real and persistent. It's driven by perceived self-defense, subcultural capture, and alignment with anti-traditionalist frameworks that gained traction in post-1960s institutions.
   

Oh boy! Do we have a live one here! 😲🤦

Edited July 9Jul 9 by RayC

9 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Knew it!
My Gaydar remains undefeated!

AI on hirtlifters and their tendencies towards nonsence posey virtue signalling type opinions:

LGBT individuals (especially in the US and West) disproportionately support left/progressive causes, including what critics call "Cultural Marxism." Polls consistently show ~80%+ leaning Democrat/liberal.

pewresearch.org

Empirical patterns

• Pew (2024): Gay/bisexual men ~83% Democrat/lean; lesbians similar. Straight men tilt GOP.

  pewresearch.org

• Gallup, Williams Institute, CCES: LGBT ~50-65% Democrat vs. general population; ~2x as liberal; only 12-21% conservative/Republican.

  news.gallup.com

• Exit polls: 64-86% Democrat presidential vote. Stronger among younger/urban.

  en.wikipedia.org

• This extends beyond gay rights to economics, race, immigration, gender, speech norms.

There is real ideological clustering, not universal—LGBT conservatives exist (Log Cabin Republicans, older/religious/White subgroups), and views aren't monolithic.

en.wikipedia.org

Core reasons (interest, history, selection)

1. Group interest and threat perception: Post-1960s, mainstream right/conservative institutions (churches, traditional families, GOP platforms) opposed decriminalization of sodomy, military service (Don't Ask Don't Tell), marriage (DOMA), adoption, and later gender policies. Democrats aligned earlier with civil rights framing. Progressive coalitions frame opposition as existential ("erasure," discrimination). Data shows higher reported stigma avoidance and mental health links to policy debates among LGBT.

   americanprogress.org

   This creates loyalty to the side perceived as protective, even as legal equality advanced (Obergefell 2015 onward).

2. Historical origins: Gay liberation (post-Stonewall 1969) emerged from New Left/counterculture, not classical liberalism. Groups like Gay Liberation Front mixed Marxism, feminism, anti-capitalism ("Gay liberation is impossible without socialist revolution"). Early Mattachine Society had communist ties; European socialist parties (SPD) backed Hirschfeld's efforts pre-WWII. Frankfurt School critical theory (Marcuse et al.) and later queer theory (Foucault, Butler) reframed sexuality as power/oppression construct, deconstructing "heteronormativity" alongside family, capitalism, patriarchy.

   marxists.org +1

   Oppressor/oppressed lens fit identity over class.

3. Personality, urban, subculture, and selection effects:

   • Open homosexuality correlates with openness to experience (Big Five personality), novelty-seeking, lower disgust sensitivity—traits predicting leftism on social issues.

   • Urban concentration (creative cities, academia, media) where progressive norms dominate.

   • Subculture reinforcement: Media, academia, NGOs amplify identity politics. Dissent (e.g., "not all gays think X") risks ostracism.

   • Bidirectional: Liberal environments may increase identification/coming out (polls show higher LGBT % among young liberals: 20-30%+ vs. conservatives).

     miwi-institut.de

4. Ideological fit: "Cultural Marxism" (pejorative for Frankfurt School critical theory → postmodernism → intersectionality) reframes society via multiple identities (race, gender, sexuality) as power struggles, prioritizing liberation from "norms." This maps to rejecting traditional sexual/family structures that marginalized same-sex attraction. Classical Marxism focused on class/economics and was often hostile to homosexuality (Stalinist USSR, China); the cultural shift was adaptation after proletarian revolution failed in the West. Critics (e.g., Lind) saw Marcuse's "polymorphous perversity" and coalitions (Blacks, feminists, gays) as explicit. Defenders call this conspiracy; the influence on humanities is documented.

   en.wikipedia.org
   
   The pattern is real and persistent. It's driven by perceived self-defense, subcultural capture, and alignment with anti-traditionalist frameworks that gained traction in post-1960s institutions.
   

Now you put his obsession on full display.

9 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

I reckon Chomps probably did go to university - it's where many people are indoctrinated with these sneery pseudo elitest opinions - This type of hiGh bRoW sIGnaLLiNg is often an attempt to distance someone from their humble roots.
(i dOn'T LiKe fOOtBall cos i'M nO lOnGeR wOrKinG cLaSS / tHe wOrKinG cLasS aRe fOR bReXiT sO i hAvE tO bE aGaiNsT etc.).
----

----
To the OP/Chomper:
The match was excellent (plenty of thrills and spills (and unltimately a hard won England WIN!) and, combined with the super weather we've been having, excellent for Yookay morale. It will live long in the memories of those kids.
That's a good thing and a great counter to all the constant demoralisation campaingns from these b****** yookay politicians. <deleted> 'em!

Maybe you (Chomper) should go to a bar to watch the game on Saturday - wear a white or red t-shirt have a couple of beers and try to act normal.
You might even enjoy yourself!

.

Bizarre fixated nonsense, I hope not related to your obsession you so proudly parade.

15 hours ago, RayC said:

I replied to this point in another thread. It's reproduced below for ease of reference.

Wrt "Going to take a leaf out of the moronic NF followers' book by refusing to count goals scored by black England players as goals"? My bad. I forgot to add the '?'. Happy now?

Strawman? Your favourite word. So much so that you've taken to redefining it.

--++++++++++++++++++++++

" .. the number of 'pure breed' indigenous English living today is Infinitesimal.

So what is an Englishman? Essentially a nationality because English ethnicity is extinct. 21st century Englishmen are mongrels. We all have - to varying degrees - bits of ancient English tribe, Celt, Anglo-Saxon, Roman, Norman, African, Indian, you name it, in our DNA.

But these facts, especially the non-white parts, don't sit well with you do they, Jonny?"

Same old Liberal nonsense from you Raymond. I've heard it all before.

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not at all Jonny, I’m just concerned you might get stalked, or just as bad, get flooded with begging letters.

We see you Higgot.

Your attempt to demean someone by implying they live in a council house with a white van parked outside perfectly encapsulates not only your personal disdain for the working classes but the whole "new" Labour movement.

To think they used to be the party of the working class. How the mighty have fallen.

I thought it was the school summer holidays now in Europe and the UK.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

We see you Higgot.

Your attempt to demean someone by implying they live in a council house with a white van parked outside perfectly encapsulates not only your personal disdain for the working classes but the whole "new" Labour movement.

To think they used to be the party of the working class. How the mighty have fallen.

I can’t help you with your self esteem problems Jonny, it’s not such a bad gaff, I mistook your constant need to post photos of it as pride, and why not you’ve done so well in life.

Talk yourself up more, it might help.