23 hours ago, ArchieBunker said:

<snip>Iran is weak and they have zero power<snip>

Ah, that's why Trump was desperate for a peace deal.

Off topic posts trolling about some other members have been removed.

A post with a derogatory political neologism to belittle or mock individuals with differing political views has been removed.

Bloomberg claims to have the original 14 point MOU.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-16/read-the-14-point-draft-memorandum-between-the-us-and-iran

https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/read-the-14-point-draft-memorandum-between-the-us-and-iran-220917023.html

ensuring financing of $300 billion

ending all types of sanctions facing the Islamic Republic

frozen funds & assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available

The clauses supposedly coming into immediate effect are 4, 5, 10, and 11. US give up everything, Iran nothing

The US will lift the blockade immediately, protect Iranian shipping, restore full traffic within 30 days, and give Iranian traffic its proportional share of access. This is an unconditional obligation.

Iran, on the other hand, does not have an unconditional obligation to allow free and safe passage of the strait within 30 days. It will merely "take steps to ensure" resumption, qualified by "the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralisation of mines by Iran." They can stall.

10 and 11 are simply free sanctions waivers and unrestricted cash payments.

11 allows unfrozen funds "to be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use." Sanctioned recipients are fine, apparently.

Multiple reports saying they must have signed the Farsi original as proposed by Iran and unprofessionally translated, with minimal changes and no evaluation by professional State or Treasury staff. Basically an Iranian diktat. DOGE cut more of the State Department Farsi speakers. They tried to rehire them back.

They ran it through grok and signed it.

The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons.

It is not a concession from Iran. This has always been their claim.

Many questioning what the original Farsi words were that grok translated here as "The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement."

After the 6 day War, UN Security Council Res. 242, said

Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict

Israel used the missing "the" to indicate they don't need to withdraw from the Golan Heights and other occupied territories.

So that line in the MOU was written by an Iranian diplomat who understands the history of diplomacy in the Arab-Israeli conflict. but no-one on the US side noticed the nuance, because they didn't have experts with them, just a pair of property investors, which is surprising, as these types are usually pretty slippery with their legalese when selling you that house that has subsidence, that's next to the proposed chicken feed factory that you didn't know about.

It may obligate the US to withdraw all forces from the Persian Gulf, or at least the units involved in the conflict, which is probably all of them.

To Trump's credit he actually said he would accept no agreement other than complete surrender - he just didn't specify whose.

On 6/16/2026 at 8:27 AM, novacova said:

Yeah right, the US surrendered after decimating and destroying the Iranian military and bringing its economy to its knees. What other fairy tales to expect around here today one must wonder.

Yep. And they won in Korea and Vietnam, too, dontcha know?

2 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

Bloomberg claims to have the original 14 point MOU.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-16/read-the-14-point-draft-memorandum-between-the-us-and-iran

https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/read-the-14-point-draft-memorandum-between-the-us-and-iran-220917023.html

The clauses supposedly coming into immediate effect are 4, 5, 10, and 11. US give up everything, Iran nothing

The US will lift the blockade immediately, protect Iranian shipping, restore full traffic within 30 days, and give Iranian traffic its proportional share of access. This is an unconditional obligation.

Iran, on the other hand, does not have an unconditional obligation to allow free and safe passage of the strait within 30 days. It will merely "take steps to ensure" resumption, qualified by "the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralisation of mines by Iran." They can stall.

10 and 11 are simply free sanctions waivers and unrestricted cash payments.

11 allows unfrozen funds "to be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use." Sanctioned recipients are fine, apparently.

Multiple reports saying they must have signed the Farsi original as proposed by Iran and unprofessionally translated, with minimal changes and no evaluation by professional State or Treasury staff. Basically an Iranian diktat. DOGE cut more of the State Department Farsi speakers. They tried to rehire them back.

They ran it through grok and signed it.

It is not a concession from Iran. This has always been their claim.

Many questioning what the original Farsi words were that grok translated here as "The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement."

After the 6 day War, UN Security Council Res. 242, said

Israel used the missing "the" to indicate they don't need to withdraw from the Golan Heights and other occupied territories.

So that line in the MOU was written by an Iranian diplomat who understands the history of diplomacy in the Arab-Israeli conflict. but no-one on the US side noticed the nuance, because they didn't have experts with them, just a pair of property investors, which is surprising, as these types are usually pretty slippery with their legalese when selling you that house that has subsidence, that's next to the proposed chicken feed factory that you didn't know about.

It may obligate the US to withdraw all forces from the Persian Gulf, or at least the units involved in the conflict, which is probably all of them.

Bloomberg is paywalled. Yahoo is free to read.

So who's going to break the agreement first. Three guesses.

Israel. Can't keep their weapons at home.

8 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

You need to read the News !!!

Looks like Trump is throwing money at Iran, Unfreezing all assets, Straight will be patrolled by Iran, Reperations to be paid by the US to Iran. Basically the US is giving them all they want. Will it hold, I doubt it. still 10-1 Iran will break the truce and Trump will be elswhere to busy to care. The whole thing was pointless and reckless.

3 minutes ago, Gknrd said:

Looks like Trump is throwing money at Iran, Unfreezing all assets, Straight will be patrolled by Iran, Reperations to be paid by the US to Iran. Basically the US is giving them all they want. Will it hold, I doubt it. still 10-1 Iran will break the truce and Trump will be elswhere to busy to care.

Israel are the one you should be betting on to break the MoU

6 minutes ago, Gknrd said:

Looks like Trump is throwing money at Iran, Unfreezing all assets, Straight will be patrolled by Iran, Reperations to be paid by the US to Iran. Basically the US is giving them all they want. Will it hold, I doubt it. still 10-1 Iran will break the truce and Trump will be elswhere to busy to care. The whole thing was pointless and reckless.

The word you’re looking for is “controlled”.

There will be transit charges levied by Iran, they will be mandatory and legal(ish).

4 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Israel are the one you should be betting on to break the MoU

The deal is a joke, Trump is desperate.

24 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The word you’re looking for is “controlled”.

There will be transit charges levied by Iran, they will be mandatory and legal(ish).

There has always been charges for operational services pilot and navigation support in the strait.this is nothing new

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

There has always been charges for operational services pilot and navigation support in the strait.this is nothing new

What is new, is those charges will now be mandatory and levied by Iran.

Thinly veiled toll charges.

21 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

What is new, is those charges will now be mandatory and levied by Iran.

Thinly veiled toll charges.

They were mandatory pilot charges they where not new ! just like anywhere in the world Navigation and pilot charge are not free

Kept epstein files off of front pages for few months spent billions upon billions got thousands of people killed disrupted world economies and markets and in end so far got a Memo of Understanding that isn't even a real agreement but a "promise" to talk some more for 60 days and maybe then make a deal that will give billions to Iran and maybe open straits with even more $$ to Iran who has learned they can close it again whenever they so decide. Mission accomplished.

Keep ignoring the law passed by house and senate and signed by trump to release the remaining files, audios, videos, pics, emails, etc ....law was passed months ago and somehow trump and DOJ have found a way to ignore the very law they signed.

It helps to have some good wars, war crimes, golden ballrooms, goons and thugs fights at the white house to help distract from the epstein files .Next up send all those troops and destroyers down to cuba and see how big a mess trump can make there with a probable land invasion....maybe stop by greenland and canada and create some military chaos there as well. Swing by Venezuela and say hi. Maybe have to also send troops in to invade california and arrest the gov.

Oh my, there must really be some bad stuff in those files that trump is scared to death will someday see the light of day and destroy him and some of his very rich buddies.

March 9: "We're now totally independent of the Middle East. We don't need their oil."

April 1: "It doesn't really affect us. We have so much oil, much more than we need."

June 17: If I didn't agree to the MOU, we "would run out of reserves at about 4 weeks..."