3 minutes ago, ArchieBunker said:

Funny thing is how would a liberal ever know what is going on in the world when all their information comes from the Mother Goose Times. Iran is weak and they have zero power and their allies are too cowardly to stand up for them and the arsenal they provide is antiquated pea shooters. The liberals find a tiny crack and try foolishly to exploit it. The liberals have lost everything except for their persistent whining and morning about Trump anything.

Can see you are also living the fairy tale...sad for you.🥹

2 minutes ago, ArchieBunker said:

What ridiculous liberal nonsense. Just because you say it is doesn’t make it so. Warped reality you are living in.

Defelection !!! this MAGA can not see what is infront of him America got its arse kicked AGAIN !!!

2 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Defelection !!! this MAGA can not see what is infront of him America got its arse kicked AGAIN !!!

Upside down and warped. Liberals are a bunch of pathetic sore losers. Cry baby cry.

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6 minutes ago, ArchieBunker said:

Upside down and warped. Liberals are a bunch of pathetic sore losers. Cry baby cry.

Sore losers, are those who don't accept that they have lost or those who behave disgracefully after they have lost.

Can you point to any serious commentator who supports your point of view? That the USA has prevailed and has achieved their objectives?

What exactly have they achieved? Are we all better of than before Trump pulled out of the JCPOA?

I get it that they are trying to pull off the macho man approach and that everyone who doesn't agree is weak, but you need some intelligence to go with that.

It seems that the Iranians have outsmarted that administration. I think the only there one with his head screwed on is Rubio. He knows they were led down the garden path by Netanyahu. But honestly, overall, they aren't particularly convincing.

34 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Defelection !!! this MAGA can not see what is infront of him America got its arse kicked AGAIN !!!

I think they can see and that is why the bad behaviour and deflection. Otherwise they might gladly demonstrate how the USA have prevailed. If the USA were winning, there would be no need to make a deal. They would just carry on winning.

3 hours ago, koolkarl said:

Iran has humiliated Trump and gained significantly. The terrorist regime is still in place, they still have the enriched uranium, Iran gets

its assets unfrozen. The US gets the international waterway back to normal, thats it.

Actually, the US does not get it’s international waterway back to normal.

Iran will now charge fees for transit through the Strait of Hormuz, all perfectly legal, it will be disguised as compulsory pilotage fees, Navigation assistance, waste monitoring and processing, security services.

Watch this space.

3 hours ago, JoeRan said:

Maga brainwashed. So sad.

As opposed to MSM brainwashed. So sad.

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As opposed to MSM brainwashed. So sad.

as opposed to maga

America has lost this war and has truly lost face throughout the world. The mightiest military in the world has been outsmarted by Iran on so many levels. We are now back where we were before the war started, except the circumstances are significantly less advantageous and America has lost a huge degree of influence around the world.

In regard to Trump's overseas adventures, when Dumb Don treats international law as an inconvenience rather than a guardrail, the message is clear to the rest of the world: act first, justify later and dare anyone to stop you.” And “Dare anyone” is clearly what Trump is up to. At his press conference after the kidnap of President Nicolas Maduro, he nonchalantly announced that his administration would “run” Venezuela. Picture that.

A head of state decides one morning that he will violate the territorial integrity of another sovereign State, remove his counterpart by force and “run” the government of an independent nation. That’s Trump for you. He is like the drunk guy with the biggest pistol in the bar.

American author Chris Hedges writes: “Violence does not generate peace. It generates violence. “If there is one lesson we should have learned in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya, it is that regime change spawns Frankensteinian monsters of our own making.”

The American leader is meant to be a unifier, a strong and soothing presence in the world. Trump is an anarchic toddler, constantly causing upheaval across the globe, transgressing and remaking everything in his helter-skelter image. He has no interest in fireside chats; he wants to set fires.

He’s more about droit du seigneur than noblesse oblige. He feels entitled to whatever he wants, from Greenland to Canada to the Kennedy Center to a Nobel Prize he didn’t win. Unlike previous presidents, he isn’t countering Russia; he’s catering to it. He disparaged the NATO troops who died for us in Afghanistan and belittled our nicest neighbor, claiming that “Canada lives because of the United States.”

Respected academic Professor

Jeffrey Sachs says said Trump, with his unlawful actions, has positioned the US as a “global thug”. So who is going to stop the global thug?

Russia is knee-deep in its invasion of Ukraine. Does it hold any moral authority to admonish Trump over Venezuela?

China is champing at the bit itching to take Taiwan by force. India is just about one incident away from formally declaring war against eternal enemy Pakistan. What about the multi-lateral structures?

The bad news is that almighty Trump is thumbing his nose at all of them.

https://share.google/shFjZIx5Ciu3W7MGy

Nothing has changed': Ceasefire deal 'a failure on many fronts'

Iranian activist Forough Amin says the deal struck between Iran and the United States "is a failure on many fronts", with the theocratic regime still in power, its proxies still active and a firm grip maintained its stockpile of enriched uranium.

Nothing has changed for the US, Israel, Iran and other countries in the region following the monthslong war except a return to fragile peace, arguing they "shouldn't have started [the conflict] if they wanted to end it this way".

"It was clear after the first few weeks of the war - when the trajectory of the war changed for no reason and the US eased the pressure on the regime that this was going to be the outcome".

Any deal made with Iran's current regime would most likely be temporary, suggesting the White House may have done so strategically "to calm the fuel market or let the World Cup finish", and that Trump's strongman politics had largely failed Iranians from achieving liberation.

It always was going to be Iranians, to change this regime. But [the] only thing we are concerned about is how much of a price our people inside the country should pay for this," she said.

Summary........the "deal" was a kick in the nuts for trump and his muppets!

As expected, Trump gets any piece of paper signed, touts it as a success, and his MAGA cult is applauding! 🤣

9 minutes ago, candide said:

As expected, Trump gets any piece of paper signed, touts it as a success, and his MAGA cult is applauding! 🤣

And on the lighter side.........

"Trump has officially made history by winning the war with Iran 27 times in one year.

Nobody has ever done it before. Not generals, not diplomats, not even people playing video games on easy mode. One minute the war is over, then it is almost over, then it is completely over, then it is more over than any war has ever been over before.

At this point, Iran must be confused too. Imagine waking up every Monday and finding out you lost the same war again.

Trump is not just claiming victory anymore. He is turning foreign policy into a Netflix series with 27 season finales. Every episode ends with “historic win,” then next week the trailer says, “The war continues.”

Forget peace talks. This is the first war in history with unlimited reruns".

LOL...and some, and only trump and his cultists can't see the irony!!

Don gets another big, fat F grade. Failure! An utter disaster. Mr. Trump eschewed thoughtful planning at every step. He accepted the rose-colored assessment of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, who predicted that the Iranian regime would quickly fall. Mr. Trump dismissed the views of his aides who told him that Mr. Netanyahu’s forecast was farcical.

The details of the deal are unclear, but the announced framework suggests that Mr. Trump has won few of the terms he insisted that he would. It is a humiliating comedown for him and the nation he leads.

Since the war began, he has said the United States would achieve “total and complete victory” and that Iran must agree to “unconditional surrender.” He suggested that regime change would occur. He said that Iran would be permitted “no enrichment” of uranium and that “the United States will, working with Iran, dig up and remove all of the deeply buried” near-bomb-grade nuclear material that it already holds. Hah! None of which appears to be true.

The United States, for its part, looks weaker in the eyes of the world. The American military has shown itself unable to quash a much smaller opponent even as it burned through many of its long-range precision missiles and interceptors. The outcome damages this country’s ability to deter other potential adversaries. To begin to repair the damage, the United States would be wise to mend alliances in Europe, the Middle East and Asia that have been frayed by the war’s military and economic effects. The Pentagon will also need to modernize and prepare for the wars of the future. Neither is likely to happen under President Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/15/opinion/-trump-lost-war-iran.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

According to reporting, this ‘deal’ (let’s remember that it is merely a MOU, not a treaty) will be signed on Friday in Geneva by Vance, Kushner, and Witcoff. Donald isn’t staying in Europe to sign it.

This is a man who wants his name and his seismic signature on everything. But not on this? Why not? Is it really that bad?

1 hour ago, FigLeaf said:

Sore losers, are those who don't accept that they have lost or those who behave disgracefully after they have lost.

Can you point to any serious commentator who supports your point of view? That the USA has prevailed and has achieved their objectives?

What exactly have they achieved? Are we all better of than before Trump pulled out of the JCPOA?

I get it that they are trying to pull off the macho man approach and that everyone who doesn't agree is weak, but you need some intelligence to go with that.

It seems that the Iranians have outsmarted that administration. I think the only there one with his head screwed on is Rubio. He knows they were led down the garden path by Netanyahu. But honestly, overall, they aren't particularly convincing.

Liberals don’t have any coherence of work in progress. Besides that the agreement weighs heavily on no nuclear enrichment and no funding of terrorist and if they don’t comply then Israel will blow them to smithereens. Who are the biggest losers here? The liberals are no doubt because they will go even farther into the gut filled hate. Please continue with the self destruction.

5 hours ago, FlorC said:

Depends on the next election in israel and the US.

Until we see the actual text of the MOU we really don't know!

4 minutes ago, Front Row said:

According to reporting, this ‘deal’ (let’s remember that it is merely a MOU, not a treaty) will be signed on Friday in Geneva by Vance, Kushner, and Witcoff. Donald isn’t staying in Europe to sign it.

This is a man who wants his name and his seismic signature on everything. But not on this? Why not? Is it really that bad?

Trump will not sign any MOU or agreement to avoid accountability. GOP is imploding with the hardliners angry with the lousy deal that don’t include eliminating Iran’s nuclear capabilities. They care less for the opening of Hormuz. Trump will blame those who put their signatures on any agreement

The nuclear negotiation post the ceasefire agreement will be a farce. Iran will never relinquish the uranium as it is their national security and Trump knows that. He will run down the clock till he leave office and thus again avoid accountability. He will claimed that Obama took 18 months for a deal.

For now, opening Hormuz and hoping that inflation can be tamed by mid-term is his biggest motivation.

2 minutes ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

Until we see the actual text of the MOU we really don't know!

It’s irrelevant. Iran will cheat and lie the Israel will bomb the living daylights out of them. This will never end until the regime is completely eliminated. This deal is just a distraction until the inevitable and it keeps the liberals spinning in their dizzy realm.

15 minutes ago, ArchieBunker said:

Liberals don’t have any coherence of work in progress. Besides that the agreement weighs heavily on no nuclear enrichment and no funding of terrorist and if they don’t comply then Israel will blow them to smithereens. Who are the biggest losers here? The liberals are no doubt because they will go even farther into the gut filled hate. Please continue with the self destruction.

"Coherence of a work in progress"? Is that actually English? Did you mean "comprehension"?

Would they not understand that the JCPOA took two years? Surely that contradicts your assertion.

The difference is that the Obama era negotiations didn't come at great cost to the world and the US taxpayer.

Under Obama, no blood was spilled and Iran got it's money back.

Under Trump, blood was spilled and Iran is getting it's money back and perhaps more.

This is just the cost to the USA, let alone the whole world:

Official Pentagon estimates place the direct cost to U.S. taxpayers of military operations against Iran at approximately US$25billion to US$29billion, with watchdog and economic groups estimating the daily burn rate between US$890million and US$1 billion. Over a nearly four-month period, some tracker estimates project costs surpassing US$100 billion. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The total financial burden on the American public spans several categories:

• Direct Military Operations: Operations utilized expensive munitions, such as Tomahawk cruise missiles costing upwards of US$2 million to US$3.5 million per unit. The first six days of conflict alone cost an estimated US$11.3 billion. [1, 2, 3]

• Damaged Infrastructure: Retaliatory strikes by Iran caused substantial damage to U.S. military installations in the Middle East, with repair and replacement costs for equipment and facilities projected to reach billions. [1, 2, 3]

• Broader Economic Impacts: Beyond direct military spending, the broader macroeconomic fallout from the conflict—including shocks to global supply chains, spikes in jet fuel and gas prices, and stalled economic growth—is expected to cost U.S. households thousands of dollars in indirect expenses

21 minutes ago, ArchieBunker said:

It’s irrelevant. Iran will cheat and lie the Israel will bomb the living daylights out of them. This will never end until the regime is completely eliminated. This deal is just a distraction until the inevitable and it keeps the liberals spinning in their dizzy realm.

Are you suggesting that the US administration and Israel don't cheat and lie or are you just being somewhat selective with your version of the truth?

Of course we know that the deal was done to get the US administration some breathing space. Otherwise come July, the excrement would have begun to hit the fan. Come September the USA would have had no friends at all.

It's only an MOU. I am half expecting Trump to bomb the negotiations next. He can't be trusted.

2 hours ago, Purdey said:

It's only an MOU. I am half expecting Trump to bomb the negotiations next. He can't be trusted.

Its Iran that can't be trusted.

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Trump will not sign any MOU or agreement to avoid accountability. GOP is imploding with the hardliners angry with the lousy deal that don’t include eliminating Iran’s nuclear capabilities. They care less for the opening of Hormuz. Trump will blame those who put their signatures on any agreement

The nuclear negotiation post the ceasefire agreement will be a farce. Iran will never relinquish the uranium as it is their national security and Trump knows that. He will run down the clock till he leave office and thus again avoid accountability. He will claimed that Obama took 18 months for a deal.

For now, opening Hormuz and hoping that inflation can be tamed by mid-term is his biggest motivation.

Good points.

But when has Trump ever been held accountable for anything? Congress, the Senate, the GOP, SCOTUS (blame whomever you choose) won’t do their job. I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

Personally, I would not be surprised if the MOU doesn’t get signed this week.

I don’t believe any final peace agreement will be reached. The world will be lucky if we get to a stalemate and a stare down contest.

Why would Iran give up nuke ambitions now? Especially if they remember that Ukraine gave up their nukes.

“What a fine mess you’ve gotten us into, Ollie.”

Has anything been signed? Has anything really changed? I will believe it when the troops come home and the war ships start leaving. Until then, just hype. 10-1 there won't be a deal until after the midterms.

21 minutes ago, Gknrd said:

Has anything been signed? Has anything really changed? I will believe it when the troops come home and the war ships start leaving. Until then, just hype. 10-1 there won't be a deal until after the midterms.

Trump has said a preliminary agreement aimed at ending the war with Iran has already been signed, with further details expected to be released in the coming days.

8 hours ago, ArchieBunker said:

It’s irrelevant. Iran will cheat and lie the Israel will bomb the living daylights out of them. This will never end until the regime is completely eliminated. This deal is just a distraction until the inevitable and it keeps the liberals spinning in their dizzy realm.

Which regime? Iran or Israel?

10 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Trump has said a preliminary agreement aimed at ending the war with Iran has already been signed, with further details expected to be released in the coming days.

10-1 it will never happen!

3 hours ago, Gknrd said:

10-1 it will never happen!

You need to read the News !!!

27 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

You need to read the News !!!

Exactly, keep watching and then eat that delicious, humble pie.