20 minutes ago, 1happykamper said:

It's a health issue not age.

I'm 75 and i smell the same! I've got references!

The same as what ??

2 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Two minutes of a cold shower would have absolutely no cooling effect on ones core body temperature. if anything it would have the opposite result

from AI

The sudden temperature drop triggers your sympathetic nervous system, inducing "cold shock". Your body immediately begins shivering or increasing non-shivering thermogenesis to actively generate internal heat. This metabolic spike often cancels out the external cooling effect of the water.

"Cool" ain't cold. It works for me... AI responses are usually brilliant but you still need to use critical thinking.

If it helps, 38C is all you need for a comfortably warm shower and 30-31C to finish. If your shower doesn't have a temperature display there are some very cheap and attractive in-line devices on Lazada or Shopee. Or just use common sense.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by IsaanT

14 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

you probably just need to shower with soap more often

They can't afford soap.

13 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Shower and change your masturbate towel daily will sort that.

Always kept one of those in my fishing box for when the fish weren’t biting.

No one from the previous posts know what they're talking about. Just regurgitating the same old tropes learned at mama's knee.

16 minutes ago, IsaanT said:

Cool" ain't cold. It works for me...

If it helps, 38C is all you need for a comfortably warm shower and 30-31C to finish. If your shower doesn't have a temperature display there are some very cheap and attractive in-line devices on Lazada or Shope

31 deg is not "cold" water, there ain't no "cold" water in Thailand! do you run your shower through a cooler or add ice ? It is physically impossible to reduce ones "core temperature" by a couple of minutes of a cold shower , and it is clearly ridiculous to suggest that is. In fact a reduction of just 2 degrees in ones core temperature will result in violent shivering increased heart rate a decrease in motor skills and confusion!

So you are not lowering your core temp, no matter what you believe

Thanks for the pointer but I won't be wasting any money on a "shower thermometer "

I don't need one to tell me when it's warm enough to be comfortable , that would be ridiculous, and once the power is turned off there is no control over the ambient temperature of the water so its a complete waste of time and money

But if it works for you, then crack on ,

29 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Two minutes of a cold shower would have absolutely no cooling effect on ones core body temperature.

Not true, according to AI 😄

Adding a ~2-minute cold finish to an otherwise warm shower can have several real modest benefits
🧠 1. Mental alertness & mood boost
causes a spike in norepinephrine and a mild increase in dopamine.
Sharper alertness (like a caffeine-lite effect)
Improved mood / reduced sluggishness
Some people report reduced anxiety over time (adaptation effect)

❤️ 2. Circulation “training”
Switching from warm → cold creates a mild vascular workout.
Not a cure for vascular issues, but a mild stimulus
🧴 3. Skin & scalp effects
Cold water reduces oil stripping compared to hot water.
🏃 4. Recovery & inflammation (mild effect at 2 minutes)
Cold exposure is known to reduce inflammation—but 2 minutes is a light dose, not the same as an ice bath.
Slight reduction in muscle soreness
Useful after heat exposure or long walks
Not as powerful as longer cold immersion (5–10+ minutes)
🌡️ 5. Heat tolerance & resilience
In hot, humid environments like Thailand, a cold finish can:
Drop your core temperature slightly
Reduce lingering sweat after a hot shower
Improve comfort before sleep (if done 1–2 hours before bed)

Bottom line
A 2-minute cold finish is a low-effort, low-risk habit 😄

Edited July 16Jul 16 by SiSePuede419
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13 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Shower and change your masturbate towel daily will sort that.

19 minutes ago, Keeenok Powell said:

Always kept one of those in my fishing box for when the fish weren’t biting.

When I was a lad, one traditionally kept a sock for such purposes, but apparently , nowadays its a towel !! Wow! how times , and presumably habits, have changed.

Other than for this website , I would never have known and might have remained blissfully ignorant, Thank god I logged on today

5 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Not true, according to AI 😄

Adding a ~2-minute cold finish to an otherwise warm shower can have several real modest benefits
🧠 1. Mental alertness & mood boost
causes a spike in norepinephrine and a mild increase in dopamine.
Sharper alertness (like a caffeine-lite effect)
Improved mood / reduced sluggishness
Some people report reduced anxiety over time (adaptation effect)

❤️ 2. Circulation “training”
Switching from warm → cold creates a mild vascular workout.
Not a cure for vascular issues, but a mild stimulus
🧴 3. Skin & scalp effects
Cold water reduces oil stripping compared to hot water.
🏃 4. Recovery & inflammation (mild effect at 2 minutes)
Cold exposure is known to reduce inflammation—but 2 minutes is a light dose, not the same as an ice bath.
Slight reduction in muscle soreness
Useful after heat exposure or long walks
Not as powerful as longer cold immersion (5–10+ minutes)
🌡️ 5. Heat tolerance & resilience
In hot, humid environments like Thailand, a cold finish can:
Drop your core temperature slightly
Reduce lingering sweat after a hot shower
Improve comfort before sleep (if done 1–2 hours before bed)

Bottom line
A 2-minute cold finish is a low-effort, low-risk habit 😄

agreed, and I never suggested otherwise, However, it will not however reduce ones core temperature.

I asked

"so would 2 minutes under a cold shower reduce ones core temp"?

and AI replied...

No, a 2-minute cold shower will generally not reduce your core body temperature. [1, 2, 3]

While it drastically cools your skin and triggers an intense mental shock, the human body is highly efficient at protecting its internal organs from brief external temperature drops. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The body prevents a core temperature drop during a brief cold shower through several mechanisms: [1, 2]

So whilst It may make one feel refreshed and cooler, ones core temp remains unchanged

When I was still a toddler, I often visited our neighbor, who lived on a farm with thirty cows, his wife, three sons and two daughters. On one occasion, the youngest daughter dressed me as a girl and sent me back to my mother. I was too young to understand what was happening.

I also remember the characteristic smell of the farmhouse. Nobody there ever seemed to complain about it. I only became conscious of how noticeable that smell was when one of my uncles, who was also a farmer, brought it into our house on his clothes.

9 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

When I was a lad, one traditionally kept a sock for such purposes, but apparently , nowadays its a towel !! Wow! how times , and presumably habits, have changed.

Other than for this website , I would never have known and might have remained blissfully ignorant, Thank god I logged on today

Hahahaha,I used a sock ( we all did) but when I got posh I upgraded.

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Perhaps a visit to the local soapy is in order……

Quality advice coming from a person named 'Tug'. ☺️

50 minutes ago, IsaanT said:

"Cool" ain't cold. It works for me... AI responses are usually brilliant but you still need to use critical thinking.

If it helps, 38C is all you need for a comfortably warm shower and 30-31C to finish. If your shower doesn't have a temperature display there are some very cheap and attractive in-line devices on Lazada or Shopee. Or just use common sense.

A comfortable shower temperature is completely subjective. Every person does not feel comfortable with the same temperatures that you might enjoy.

A little more info to remove any confusion

1. Cold Water Actually Traps Heat Inside the Core

When cold water hits the skin, it triggers an immediate reflex called peripheral vasoconstriction. The blood vessels near the skin clamp shut, redirecting blood away from the surface and shunting it deep into the body's core. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Because blood flow to the skin is cut off, the body can no longer radiate heat out into the environment. Consequently, a cold shower actually insulates the core and traps heat inside, sometimes temporarily raising the core body temperature. [, 2, 3]

2. It Triggers Thermogenesis (Heat Generation)

The thermal shock of cold water instantly activates the nervous system to defend your internal organs. The body kicks into survival mode through: [1, 2]

• Shivering thermogenesis: Involuntary muscle contractions designed entirely to create heat.

• Non-shivering thermogenesis: Metabolic spikes that burn energy strictly to warm the body up. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Even if someone doesn't start aggressively shivering, their internal metabolic furnace turns up, not down. [1, 2]

3. Medical/Sports Science Studies Prove It Fails

If someone is suffering from dangerous exertional heatstroke or a fever, medical guidelines explicitly forbid ice baths or cold showers. A prominent study published in the Journal of Athletic Training analyzed cooling methods for hyperthermia and found that cold showers provide unacceptable, ineffective cooling rates compared to the gold standard of full cold-water immersion. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Similarly, emergency room guides like Coppell ER note that using cold water to lower a fever backfires because the resulting shivering drives the internal temperature even higher. To actually lower core temperature, doctors use lukewarm (tepid) water because it keeps blood vessels open, allowing heat to safely escape the core and evaporate off the skin. [1, 2, 3]

---

Its common for the uninformed to confuse skin temperature with core temperature. A cold shower drops skin temperature rapidly, creating the illusion of being cold, while the core remains tightly protected, insulated, and completely unaffected. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

If

8 minutes ago, Keeenok Powell said:

Hahahaha,I used a sock ( we all did) but when I got posh I upgraded.

I didn't get "posh" but I burdened myself with a girlfriend , she, unsurprisingly, didn't really approve of such behaviour, and developed the annoying ability to quickly notice missing socks

11 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I don't think I "stink really bad". But that towel I sit on for 7-9 hours every day stinks really bad. So it must be coming off me.

Sitting on a towel for that long each day is just absorbing your “swamp a$$” that is dripping off you. Get a fan mounted under the desk to cool your nether lands and maybe some of this. https://www.antimonkeybutt.com

OP seems to be really bored.

Thanks (NOT) for all the AI content, yea body powder in the tropics is the call. Shower and powder up.

51 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

When I was a lad, one traditionally kept a sock for such purposes, but apparently , nowadays its a towel !! Wow! how times , and presumably habits, have changed.

Other than for this website , I would never have known and might have remained blissfully ignorant, Thank god I logged on today

Its the hormones in KFC chicken, modern day loads are bigger.

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Oh dear, you live alone I reckon?

Are there really people out there who don't change towels and underwear every day? I do it with my bedsheets also.

Sorry, to tell you, but a bit more hygiene is not a mistake 🤣

No, live with my wife of 37 years. She only complains about the towel stink. Does not seem to be on my pillows or bedsheets, though.

1 hour ago, IsaanT said:

"Cool" ain't cold. It works for me... AI responses are usually brilliant but you still need to use critical thinking.

If it helps, 38C is all you need for a comfortably warm shower and 30-31C to finish. If your shower doesn't have a temperature display there are some very cheap and attractive in-line devices on Lazada or Shopee. Or just use common sense.

My shower under the bananas just has a pipe! Temp varies with the weather & how much sun the tank is getting.

52 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

A little more info to remove any confusion

1. Cold Water Actually Traps Heat Inside the Core

When cold water hits the skin, it triggers an immediate reflex called peripheral vasoconstriction. The blood vessels near the skin clamp shut, redirecting blood away from the surface and shunting it deep into the body's core. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Because blood flow to the skin is cut off, the body can no longer radiate heat out into the environment. Consequently, a cold shower actually insulates the core and traps heat inside, sometimes temporarily raising the core body temperature. [, 2, 3]

2. It Triggers Thermogenesis (Heat Generation)

The thermal shock of cold water instantly activates the nervous system to defend your internal organs. The body kicks into survival mode through: [1,

]

• Shivering thermogenesis: Involuntary muscle contractions designed entirely to create heat.

• Non-shivering thermogenesis: Metabolic spikes that burn energy strictly to warm the body up. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Even if someone doesn't start aggressively shivering, their internal metabolic furnace turns up, not down. [1, 2]

3. Medical/Sports Science Studies Prove It Fails

If someone is suffering from dangerous exertional heatstroke or a fever, medical guidelines explicitly forbid ice baths or cold showers. A prominent study published in the Journal of Athletic Training analyzed cooling methods for hyperthermia and found that cold showers provide unacceptable, ineffective cooling rates compared to the gold standard of full cold-water immersion. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Similarly, emergency room guides like Coppell ER note that using cold water to lower a fever backfires because the resulting shivering drives the internal temperature even higher. To actually lower core temperature, doctors use lukewarm (tepid) water because it keeps blood vessels open, allowing heat to safely escape the core and evaporate off the skin. [1, 2, 3]

---

Its common for the uninformed to confuse skin temperature with core temperature. A cold shower drops skin temperature rapidly, creating the illusion of being cold, while the core remains tightly protected, insulated, and completely unaffected. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

If

So the bloke with a bathtub in his garden is right!

47 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I didn't get "posh" but I burdened myself with a girlfriend , she, unsurprisingly, didn't really approve of such behaviour, and developed the annoying ability to quickly notice missing socks

Hers? I can really understand the used panty vending machines in Japan!

42 minutes ago, MadAtMatrix said:

Sitting on a towel for that long each day is just absorbing your “swamp a$$” that is dripping off you. Get a fan mounted under the desk to cool your nether lands and maybe some of this. https://www.antimonkeybutt.com

Nah, not my ass, it's my back, particularly upper back.

12 hours ago, atpeace said:

Longer showers and I scrub more - TMI :)

12 hours ago, atpeace said:

Longer showers and I scrub more - TMI :)

12 hours ago, atpeace said:

Longer showers and I scrub more - TMI :)

And Use CARBOLIC Soap...

8 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

I think, most old people smell bad for other reasons than just poor hygiene or changed skin oils.

Very often, the smell is quite typical, and can be put in three groups: people with liver problems smell like ammonia, people with kidney problems smell like urine and old fish and diabetic people smell like acetone.

I fell, for a good time, in the kidney problems category, and it was actually not pretty, while all the time thinking that my wife was a bit of a drama queen (she called it "horrible to the point of wanting to die when I am in the room", make of that what you will).

Sometimes, all this can be reversed with an improved diet, getting rid of those extra kilos, drinking enough, and not stressing and poisoning the body on a regular basis (yes, I am talking about alcohol, especially in an dehydrated oldy).

With medical intervention for my kidney, the smell has reduced to the normal smell of "unwashed farang", or so I am told.

With regard to nonenal excretion; I do not suffer from it (yet?), but from what I heard, CoQ10 (every person should take this, anyway), and anti-oxidant supplements like astaxanthin or fucoxanthin help (they accumulate in the skin, preventing lipid breakdown there). This is the supplementation from the inside, topical help from the outside would be the persimmon topical mentioned in the OP, or one with green tea, or a combination of both would also help.

Great post! I've always been a big supplement guy. I do take CoQ10 and many antioxidants. Now that you mention it, I wonder if some combination of my 24 supplements might be causing the stink. Started maybe a year ago. Anyway, always learning!

I'm glad my wife can still be in the same room otherwise I'd need that fucoxanthin!

20 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

No, live with my wife of 37 years. She only complains about the towel stink. Does not seem to be on my pillows or bedsheets, though.

Well THROW The Stinking Towel in The Bin Then....

24 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

No, live with my wife of 37 years. She only complains about the towel stink. Does not seem to be on my pillows or bedsheets, though.

Stick you pillow under your arse for 9 hrs and then get her to give it a sniff.

I'm 85 years old. I shower twice a day, in the morning after exercise and in the evening before sleeping. My wife assures me that I don't smell bad.

58 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

So the bloke with a bathtub in his garden is right!

I built a tiny pool in a shaded area with a nice view of the pond (water-26c today). Just got out after a run. It takes about 10 minutes to get my body temps down to where I can sit inside without sweating. Have an ice bath too which is great for hot season night outs. I feel cool for hours after 10 minutes in the ice bath. Also feel 20 years younger but that doesn't last.

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Hers? I can really understand the used panty vending machines in Japan!

No not her socks of course ! that would just be wrong, and bearing in mind the side effect of KFC , as noted by another, more observant, member , her socks might not cope with the increased volume too well

Used panty vending machines are all well and good but there is no guarantee who actually "used" the pantys or more worryingly their gender