14 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

fatalities

No one is trying to work that out, those figures are very well known.

I’ve only been pulled in once in 11 years at a police checkpoint on my motorcycle. Before I’d even taken off my first glove he obviously noticed I was a Farang with an expensive full face Arai helmet , proper motorcycle cycle gloves and that we was unlikely to find anything untoward, and waved me off in favour of easier targets just setting off from the lights.

It's pretty obvious how to reduce accidents, we have all the answers, for a start, the shops renting to people without a valid licence should be prosecuted

16 minutes ago, novacova said:

If and when you turn into and nail a motorcycle, then thereafter you will faithfully be using your turn signals.

I ride a motorcycle so am cognizant of what motorcycles do. Just being aware there is one is the key. In Asia it is not so much about driving proficiency but the anticipation of idiocy.

In order to get rear ended by a speeding halfwit you have to be in the way. If you get out of the way...? Left lane except to pass?

I am fortunate that I can't see out of the back of my vehicle, only side mirrors, so in the unlikely event there is someone behind I cannot always see them so out of mind and all that...If they are desperate they can pass on the left which is where I would be if I think they will accelerate to pass but most here accelerate like molasses.

Tell me about the lane sloping I am still bemused. Lane filtering is riding between stopped traffic; that one I know. Lane splitting is riding between moving traffic.

46 minutes ago, novacova said:

One of the predominant causes of traffic accidents in th, stay in your frik’n lane!

It is not my lane as it doesn't belong to me I am simply passing through.

Which lane am I supposed to be in? I'm going with left lane except to pass.

Is there a different modus operandi that I am not accustomed to?

We can't drive in any country the way we want to. We restricted to drive the way all other road users drive. If that means we need to concentrate more or change our habits which is effort and that makes us uncomfortable then...

Edited July 25Jul 25 by VocalNeal

12 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Tell me about the lane sloping I am still bemused.

Failure to maintain lane of travel.

12 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

In order to get rear ended by a speeding halfwit you have to be in the way.

Fractionally true, if at all. Most folks get rear ended all the time by halfwits under a spell of inattention and speeding, not because that they’re in someone’s way. Try not to forget, the vehicle in the front has the right-of-way unless it’s an emergency vehicle. If someone is in your way, then calm down.

3 minutes ago, novacova said:

Most folks get rear ended all the time by halfwits under a spell of inattention and speeding, not because that they’re in someone’s way.

Usually when stopped at junctions? Is that the major cause? There is little or nothing one can do about that. No matter how much we think we can.

5 minutes ago, novacova said:

Failure to maintain lane of travel.

I don't get this one. Are you saying that if driving in the right lane I should maintain my lane of travel even when a faster car is approaching from behind? Once I have overtaken I pull back into the left lane an maintain that until I need to pass again in which case I move back in to the right lane. Sometimes when maintaining the left lane I do pass other cars who are in the right lane who are not moving over. If a three lane motorway with too many slower moving trucks then I may substitute middle for left lane.

I rarely drive at more that 110-115 so am aware there maybe people who wish to drive a bit faster. The ones that annoy me are the guys at 117-118 who obviously have the cruise control on and who are oblivious to anyone else on the planet and believe by slowly creeping up they have a right to pass. They have no intention of accelerating to pass. So sometimes I am obliged to be a bit selfish and make them cancel there cruise control!

As for motorcycles the beauty is that one can travel faster than most of the traffic so have more control of one's place in the traffic environment don't get surprised from behind and also don't need as much space to get around other vehicles.

Edited July 25Jul 25 by VocalNeal

15 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

I don't get this one. Are you saying that if driving in the right lane I should maintain my lane of travel even when a faster car is approaching from behind?

Didn’t say anything of the sort. Failure to maintain lane of travel/lane sloping is changing lanes without using the turn signal, drifting in the other lane intentionally to get a peek of what’s ahead or cutting the road short or doing it unintentionally while staring at a phone or a humdinger walking along the road.

24 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

I rarely drive at more that 110-115 so am aware there maybe people who wish to drive a bit faster. The ones that annoy me are the guys at 117-118 who obviously have the cruise control on and who are oblivious to anyone else on the planet and believe by slowly creeping up they have a right to pass. They have no intention of accelerating to pass. So sometimes I am obliged to be a bit selfish and make them cancel there cruise control!

Probably not a good driving practice on your part. Yielding whenever possible is best and safest practice on any road anywhere. Moving vehicles can easily kill people

29 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

I don't get this one. Are you saying that if driving in the right lane I should maintain my lane of travel even when a faster car is approaching from behind? Once I have overtaken I pull back into the left lane an maintain that until I need to pass again in which case I move back in to the right lane. Sometimes when maintaining the left lane I do pass other cars who are in the right lane who are not moving over. If a three lane motorway with too many slower moving trucks then I may substitute middle for left lane.

I rarely drive at more that 110-115 so am aware there maybe people who wish to drive a bit faster. The ones that annoy me are the guys at 117-118 who obviously have the cruise control on and who are oblivious to anyone else on the planet and believe by slowly creeping up they have a right to pass. They have no intention of accelerating to pass. So sometimes I am obliged to be a bit selfish and make them cancel there cruise control!

As for motorcycles the beauty is that one can travel faster than most of the traffic so have more control of one's place in the traffic environment don't get surprised from behind and also don't need as much space to get around other vehicles.

Yeah well, folks get hit from behind on motorcycles all the time seen one happening before my very eyes about three years ago in Chedi Maekhrua and as we all know that BMT got nailed from behind a couple years back.

Anyway back to my original post here, aggressive active on the road traffic enforcement is an imperative in order to change the behaviors on the roads, behavior being the operative word here.

Edited July 25Jul 25 by novacova

I was driving down Phetkasem Rd the other day and a young woman was in the lane next to me.. face emedded in her phone

as usual the left lane had someone double parked which forced her to move over behind me I looked in my rearview mirror just in time to see her look up from her phone and realize she was less than 2 meters from my bumper, causing her to mash on the front brake and lose control of the scooter ( I saw her handle bars shake hard and the bike dip ) so down she went ...

It can easily be fixed but like fixing potholes doing so end a large constant revenue source!

On 7/24/2026 at 10:13 PM, Georgealbert said:

Thailand was ready to share its knowledge and experience with the UK to support United Nations targets for reducing road deaths and injuries, he added.

Hmm. Good in sentiment, but just don't try to tell a place with markedly fewer road accidents how it's done. Training, order and proper penalties is the only real way forwards, albeit we don't want the place becoming the boring old West, do we!

Edited July 26Jul 26 by daveAustin

Thailand's Deputy Interior Minister Jesada Thai Seth discussing road safety with the UK transport minister would be a bit akin to Pauly Shore discussing string theory or cosmology with Brian Cox or Edward Witten.

Thai officials are some of the least sincere people, and some of the most poorly equipped people I've ever come across in this lifetime, when it comes to both traffic safety and public safety.

On 7/25/2026 at 2:52 AM, Zimar said:

Much of this problem boils down to a lack of strong enforcement. To many underage drivers and drivers with little or no respect for traffic laws. As well, in some cases, no knowledge of the traffic laws.

For every driver violating a law or procedure, another driver will do the same thing. Then it multiplies. Also, a tourist seeing a violation, will more than likely believe that it is acceptable for them to do the same.

Strong, unrelenting enforcement is required to curb this issue.

Enforcement in Thailand 😱 That would mean the police having to work for a living. 🙈

On 7/25/2026 at 5:59 AM, KhunLA said:

Not seeing UK citizen road injuriers & deaths in TH a Thai problem, aside from the not having insurance when the hospital bill needs to be paid.

UK citizens should learn how to drive scooters, be licensed, be insured, and follow Thai driving laws, and they wouldn't be casualties on the TH roads. They seem to do things here, they wouldn't attempt in the UK.

First and foremost, how many licensed to drive a 125cc scooter, experienced & insured, and try wearing a damn helmet.

Roads & scooters don't injure or kill people, people do, and usually their own fault. Sure do read about a lot of single vehicle, MB accidents with 'go fund my stupidity' in the news-blips.

Nuff said

Apparently many expats are blind, as I see more check points in TH, than any place I've ever been in the world. Especially in 'high accident' areas; metros & tourist areas.

The PoPo do an excellent job, with their limited resources. Amazing how some expats complain about all the check points, while others don't seem to notice them, and want more enforcement. I know which ones actually drive on the roads, and which don't.

Thai driving laws 😱 Do they exist 🤷🏼

Just now, Reddavy said:

Thai driving laws 😱 Do they exist 🤷🏼

Exist, yes, and actually pretty good.

Observed and followed by all, NO, both Thais & foreigners ignore many, myself included.

Only difference is, I drive safely, legally or illegally at times. Others, not so much, legal or illegally. To the topic, foreigners are their worse enemies on the roads it seems, not the Thais.

Problem seems to be too many single vehicle accidents involving, unlicensed, uninsured Brits and the main issue. That problem and issue, is theirs alone.

Edited July 26Jul 26 by KhunLA

I suspect another free trip overseas coming up. Let's face it, how could anyone change the mentality of Thais when it comes to speeding or getting totally bombed and even high on amphetamines whilst driving. I'm staying on a very busy road south of Korat and I can't believe the speeds they drive at. Around about 7 pm mainly at weekends the motor bikes roar past, I wonder how many get wiped out every year on their way home from their favorite bars.

Edited July 26Jul 26 by Rams86

21 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Exist, yes, and actually pretty good.

Observed and followed by all, NO, both Thais & foreigners ignore many, myself included.

Only difference is, I drive safely, legally or illegally at times. Others, not so much, legal or illegally. To the topic, foreigners are their worse enemies on the roads it seems, not the Thais.

Problem seems to be too many single vehicle accidents involving, unlicensed, uninsured Brits and the main issue. That problem and issue, is theirs alone.

Yeah right. Living here i know who the main culprits are and for sure it is not Brits or any other farang tourist. They are not innocent by any means but everyday i see thai kids on scooters driving like idiots unlicensed and uninsured with parental approval and don’t get me started on the unlicensed motorbike taxi drivers. You must be living with your head buried in the sand or you are Thai living in denial.

16 minutes ago, Reddavy said:

Yeah right. Living here i know who the main culprits are and for sure it is not Brits or any other farang tourist. They are not innocent by any means but everyday i see thai kids on scooters driving like idiots unlicensed and uninsured with parental approval and don’t get me started on the unlicensed motorbike taxi drivers. You must be living with your head buried in the sand or you are Thai living in denial.

The topic is UK, and "exchange approaches to cutting road deaths, particularly those involving motorcycles". Seems to me, the ones making the headlines, and ones I make reference to, are the unlicensed, uninsured, single vehicle accidents with the 'go fund my stupidity' links for donations.

Feel free to start a thread about opinions on Thai drivers of all ages and parental responsibilities. Not the current topic, or what I was addressing.

On 7/25/2026 at 3:17 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

No one is trying to work that out, those figures are very well known.

Only at the scene of an accident not due to an accident but died in hospital.