7 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, presuming him to be innocent means that, right now, legally, he is innocent.

No, it does not mean that. But you are welcome to believe that.

If he is innocent, why isn't he free to leave? Why is he in jail? Is that where innocent people are kept?

59 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You're claiming that inmates in Thai prisons have internet access?

If you're going to respond to my posts, have the courtesy of not nit-picking it to suit your argument.

Edited August 25Aug 25 by Artisi

6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

So address your comment to the ones that very clearly don't, not me, I know all that already. He's actually awaiting indictment, not trial, so far the Prosecutor has not accepted the case for trial.

And the charges that have been introduced so far are not necessarily those that will be in the actual indictment.

The knife theory can't be discounted, albeit highly unlikely.

So where's the knife. Did he dispose of it? If he can't answer that, then it's definitely game up for him.

I think under questioning he'd keep shifting the story slightly and the police would have him for sure.

If no knife, though, she was not a threat and how/why did he suffocate a small teen?

47 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

f he is innocent, why isn't he free to leave? Why is he in jail? Is that where innocent people are kept

He's not free to leave because he's the subject of a murder investigation for which they have evidence to detain him and the place that those detainees are kept is in the Remand Prison. That doesn't make him guilty of anything, it means he's subject to investigation and the authorities are able to detain him as he has not been granted bail, that doesn't make him guilty, a court will decide that.

He's a flight risk because he has ties to another country. Denied bail because of this flight risk and the fact this is a murder investigation means they'll hold him until the trial. The judges must find him guilty during the trial and jail makes sure he won't hurt himself or run away because of that Australian tie. They do have evidence in CCTV and DNA, along with him disposing of her body, so there's no chance he'll be given bail. They also likely have evidence we haven't heard.

Edited August 25Aug 25 by fredwiggy

12 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

The knife theory can't be discounted, albeit highly unlikely.

So where's the knife. Did he dispose of it? If he can't answer that, then it's definitely game up for him.

I think under questioning he'd keep shifting the story slightly and the police would have him for sure.

If no knife, though, she was not a threat and how/why did he suffocate a small teen?

I picked up on the knife story at the start.

Did she bring it with her?

Was it a knife from his kitchen?

Where is it?

Would be funny if he said it was from his kitchen, and he wasn't into eating steak, and the only knives in his kitchen are butter knives.

I think there was no knife involved, he's just trying to give himself a chance.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Thai police suggested he go with the self defense story, just to get a confession.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

He's a flight risk because he has ties to another country. Denied bail because of this flight risk and the fact this is a murder investigation means they'll hold him until the trial. The judges must find him guilty during the trial and jail makes sure he won't hurt himself or run away because of that Australian tie. They do have evidence in CCTV and DNA, along with him disposing of her body, so there's no chance he'll be given bail.

I would say he was denied bail due to the weight of evidence against him, not because he's a flight risk.

Just now, KhunHeineken said:

I would say he was denied bail due to the weight of evidence against him, not because he's a flight risk.

The evidence is enough for a judge to think he has guilt. That he's a flight risk and it's a murder investigation is why he won't be granted bail. This is AI but easy to research in the court system, Thailand mirroring the west..........

A person held for a murder investigation is often denied bail because murder is a capital or severe non-bailable offense where release poses a major risk to society or the justice system.

Key Reasons for Bail Denial

• Severity of the Offense: Murder carries maximum penalties like life imprisonment or the death penalty. Because the potential sentence is extremely high, the incentive to flee is also very high.

• Flight Risk: Judges view the accused as likely to run away and avoid trial due to the severity of the potential punishment.Lack of Local Ties: Foreigners or individuals without strong local employment, property, or family roots in Thailand face a much higher risk of absconding

• Danger to the Public: Courts protect the community by keeping individuals accused of violent crimes in custody if they might commit more harm.

• Risk of Tampering with Evidence: A released suspect might destroy physical evidence or threaten, hide, or influence key witnesses.

• Strong Evidence of Guilt: In many legal systems, if the prosecution shows strong or probable cause that the accused committed the murder, bail is withheld as a matter of law or judicial discretion.

• Lower Court Limitations: In some jurisdictions, lower courts or magistrates do not even have the legal authority to grant bail for capital crimes like murder, requiring a higher court review.

Edited August 25Aug 25 by fredwiggy

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

The evidence is enough for a judge to think he has guilt.

Which is enough to deny bail. Thus, no need to even consider if he's a flight risk or not. It becomes irrelevant.

4 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Which is enough to deny bail. Thus, no need to even consider if he's a flight risk or not. It becomes irrelevant.

It is totally relevant. If he was a resident here he might be granted bail. That he's a flight risk, along with the fact he was already trying to leave Thailand right after the crime means no bail. A judge thinking he's guilty means little, as it's still up to a trial to find him guilty.

From above "Because the potential sentence is extremely high, the incentive to flee is also very high."Flight Risk: Judges view the accused as likely to run away and avoid trial due to the severity of the potential punishment

Edited August 25Aug 25 by fredwiggy

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If he was a resident here he might be granted bail.

No way. Not on the weight of evidence against him Not a chance.

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That he's a flight risk, along with the fact he was already trying to leave Thailand right after the crime means no bail.

No. First consideration is the weight of evidence.

The judge doesn't look at flight risk first.

Ever heard the terms, "danger to the community" and "high risk of committing further offenses" if allowed out on bail?

Strength of case comes first, before moving to whether they will show up in court or do a runner.

18 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

A judge thinking he's guilty means little, as it's still up to a trial to find him guilty.

See the above.

19 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

From above "Because the potential sentence is extremely high, the incentive to flee is also very high."Flight Risk: Judges view the accused as likely to run away and avoid trial due to the severity of the potential punishment

Presumption of innocence, thus, potential sentence is irrelevant. Example, the defense might prove he suffers from a psychiatric condition, so, mitigating circumstances that go towards sentencing.

Flight risk had nothing to do with this guy not getting bail.

They nabbed him at the airport ,he must of thought he had gotten

away with it, kudos to the Police ,they did a good job, the "alleged"

killer ,just so Liverpool lou has not got to say he's innocent . when

found guilty will have a long time hopefully to think about what he

has done ....

regards worgeordie

4 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

No way. Not on the weight of evidence against him Not a chance.

No. First consideration is the weight of evidence.

The judge doesn't look at flight risk first.

Ever heard the terms, "danger to the community" and "high risk of committing further offenses" if allowed out on bail?

Strength of case comes first, before moving to whether they will show up in court or do a runner.

See the above.

Presumption of innocence, thus, potential sentence is irrelevant. Example, the defense might prove he suffers from a psychiatric condition, so, mitigating circumstances that go towards sentencing.

Flight risk had nothing to do with this guy not getting bail.

Flight risk had a lot to do with him not being granted bail. Read the laws on this type of offense. As I said, it's all factors involved and not just one. You don't know what a judge looks at first, as each judge is a personal thing. They also look at the laws on the books, along with the evidence.

That it's a murder investigation and he's a definite flight risk are the reasons he won't be granted bail. There's no first or second but both. Bail isn't usually given in murder investigations here anyway. That he's a flight risk cinches it.

Key reasons: Judges refuse bail because murder carries severe penalties (including the death penalty or life imprisonment), presents a high risk of flight, and poses a danger to society.

Rare exceptions: A court may grant bail during early investigative or trial phases only if the defendant offers massive financial security, strong guarantees, and shows zero flight risk.

He tried to leave, so he's a flight risk.

Not to do with evidence as they have no proof yet that he killed her. Only that he was with her and disposed of her body. The trial is for evidence shown and a decision to be made. Of course most here think he did it but he's still presumed innocent until proven guilty. Many times a person looks 100% guilty and wasn't, and some with no definitive guilt have been proven guilty by DNA.

Not being granted bail in a murder investigation means the court views the suspect as a severe flight risk, a danger to the public, or a threat to the integrity of the evidence/witnesses, but the denial itself is not considered active evidence of guilt.

Why Bail is Denied in Murder Cases

• Flight Risk: Because a murder conviction carries a severe sentence like life imprisonment or the death penalty, a defendant has maximum incentive to flee.

• Preserving Evidence: Courts worry a released suspect might destroy physical evidence, hide weapons, or tamper with witnesses.

• Public Safety: Murder is a violent crime, and judges often rule that community safety overrides pretrial freedom.

Legal Status of Bail Denial

• Not Evidence: A denial of bail is a procedural precaution, not proof of a crime.

• Innocence Presumed: The law still treats the detained person as innocent until proven guilty in a trial.

Edited August 25Aug 25 by fredwiggy

13 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

No, it does not mean that. But you are welcome to believe that.

If he is innocent, why isn't he free to leave? Why is he in jail? Is that where innocent people are kept?

Yes, innocent until proven guilty and all that but locked up and staying locked up in the interim!

13 hours ago, JerryM said:

And the charges that have been introduced so far are not necessarily those that will be in the actual indictment.

NB The murder charges as proffered so far would indicate that the crime was intentional, planned and premeditated.

15 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Flight risk had a lot to do with him not being granted bail.

He was never going to get bail with such a strong case against hm. Simple as that.

15 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Bail isn't usually given in murder investigations here anyway.

And why do you think that is????

15 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

That he's a flight risk cinches it.

No, the murder case clinched it.

You have contradicted yourself.

16 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

A person held for a murder investigation is often denied bail because murder is a capital or severe non-bailable offense where release poses a major risk to society or the justice system.

What happened to flight risk???? 😂

16 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Public Safety: Murder is a violent crime, and judges often rule that community safety overrides pretrial freedom.

The clincher. 😂

16 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Flight risk had a lot to do with him not being granted bail. Read the laws on this type of offense. As I said, it's all factors involved and not just one. You don't know what a judge looks at first, as each judge is a personal thing. They also look at the laws on the books, along with the evidence.

That it's a murder investigation and he's a definite flight risk are the reasons he won't be granted bail. There's no first or second but both. Bail isn't usually given in murder investigations here anyway. That he's a flight risk cinches it.

Key reasons: Judges refuse bail because murder carries severe penalties (including the death penalty or life imprisonment), presents a high risk of flight, and poses a danger to society.

Rare exceptions: A court may grant bail during early investigative or trial phases only if the defendant offers massive financial security, strong guarantees, and shows zero flight risk.

He tried to leave, so he's a flight risk.

Not to do with evidence as they have no proof yet that he killed her. Only that he was with her and disposed of her body. The trial is for evidence shown and a decision to be made. Of course most here think he did it but he's still presumed innocent until proven guilty. Many times a person looks 100% guilty and wasn't, and some with no definitive guilt have been proven guilty by DNA.

Not being granted bail in a murder investigation means the court views the suspect as a severe flight risk, a danger to the public, or a threat to the integrity of the evidence/witnesses, but the denial itself is not considered active evidence of guilt.

Why Bail is Denied in Murder Cases

• Flight Risk: Because a murder conviction carries a severe sentence like life imprisonment or the death penalty, a defendant has maximum incentive to flee.

• Preserving Evidence: Courts worry a released suspect might destroy physical evidence, hide weapons, or tamper with witnesses.

• Public Safety: Murder is a violent crime, and judges often rule that community safety overrides pretrial freedom.

Legal Status of Bail Denial

• Not Evidence: A denial of bail is a procedural precaution, not proof of a crime.

• Innocence Presumed: The law still treats the detained person as innocent until proven guilty in a trial.

I recall some cops getting bail AFTER being convicted of murder and then doing a runner.

Not in Kansas any more Dorothy.

22 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

He was never going to get bail with such a strong case against hm. Simple as that.

And why do you think that is????

No, the murder case clinched it.

You have contradicted yourself.

What happened to flight risk???? 😂

The clincher. 😂

I'm guessing you don't understand what I wrote so I'll leave it at that. Always best to research why things are done before you think things are simple and cut and dried. I never contradict myself. Some just think their versions are correct, like you did. I'll provide this again so you can read it and try to understand what it means. By the way, I know many attorneys. Thinking you know what a particular judge will do is an assumption. Have you ever been to court?

No, a judge does not look at a murder investigation or charge as the only reason, but the extreme severity of a murder allegation heavily drives the decision to deny bail.

A judge weighs multiple specific factors during a bail hearing rather than relying on just one element.

Other Factors a Judge Evaluates

• Flight Risk: Whether the defendant is likely to run away because they face a potential life sentence or the death penalty.

• Danger to the Community: Whether releasing the person puts the public, specific individuals, or witnesses at immediate risk of harm.

• Criminal History: Whether the accused has past convictions for violent crimes or a record of missing past court dates.

• Strength of Evidence: A quick look at how strong or weak the prosecution's case appears at this early stage.

• Community Ties: Whether the defendant has a stable job, family, and a permanent local residence.

• PS: Don't bother replying as I'm not going to waste any more time trying to convince someone who thinks things are as predetermined as you think they are.

Edited August 26Aug 26 by fredwiggy

6 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

I recall some cops getting bail AFTER being convicted of murder and then doing a runner.

Not in Kansas any more Dorothy.

Yes, this man had absolutely no chance of being granted bail. Not a citizen of Thailand, along with no ties here and not being a rich man with money in a Thai bank. A murder investigation. Already tried to do a runner right after the crime. Disposed of the body.

If she pulled a knife on him as he claims, why hasn't one been found by the police yet? His story just keeps changing, only minor details but they are different enough to be noticeable..

22 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

When was K'Boss let off ?

The day he was not held especially after all these important charges expire except one. Plus the Interpol Red alert was a tease and never really activated. Any proof that it was and still is active Ralph001?

21 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

When was it announced that Vorayuth Yoovidhya's charges had been dropped?

21 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

When was it announced that Vorayuth Yoovidhya's charges had been dropped?

I never stated Mr Liverpool Lou that Vorayuth Yoovidhya's charges were dropped? I stated, "such as Red bull, gets off from their crimes". Which has been, how many years now? Please don't mince my words.

1 hour ago, cynic1 said:

I never stated Mr Liverpool Lou that Vorayuth Yoovidhya's charges were dropped? I stated, "such as Red bull, gets off from their crimes". Which has been, how many years now? Please don't mince my words.

You posted that he had "got off from his crimes [sic]"; he hasn't escaped the charges which is what your "unminced" words, very clearly, were suggesting!

21 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Denied bail because of this flight risk and the fact this is a murder investigation means they'll hold him until the trial

He hasn't been denied ball, not having any legal representation he hasn't applied for bail.

Edited August 26Aug 26 by Liverpool Lou

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He hasn't been denied ball, he hasn't applied for bail.

He won't get bail is what I've been referring to . For the reasons I've laid out. He wanted bail but no chance of that.

20 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Flight risk had nothing to do with this guy not getting bail

Did he apply for bail?

1 hour ago, cynic1 said:

Any proof that it was and still is active Ralph001

The Red Notice is readily available to anybody who cares to search for it and there's been no suggestion by Interpol that it has been cancelled. I'm not going to post it here for fear of being accused of derailing the topic.

Do you have any proof that it was "only a tease and never actually activated"?

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13 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

He wanted bail ...

There have been no reports of him requesting bail.