2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I would never want to be responsible for the death on an innocent, but if it comes to either it's them or me or my family, they're going down. It isn't murder if it's self defense, no mater what anyone says.

So now you're making yourself into God.

You don't just believe in God, you're making the Laws of the Universe as though you're God.

My point is that you don't know for a fact that the Gods (plural) will take sides with you.

And then you might have the wrath of the Gods (plural) to deal with after murdering someone over an iPhone.

If there are family members there to protect, that complicates the decision though.

But let's say it's just me in the house, the decision is easier.

And now you are contradicting yourself a lot, not just a little.

One minute you are putting Jesus on a pedestal for his "don't worry about money" speech on the Mount.

And the next minute you are taking a shotgun to someone's head over "possessions you worked hard for".

Make up your mind. Are possessions important or not? Then the Sermon on the Mount is mostly bs?

Both your statements are wrong. Money is important, therefore the Sermon on the Mount bs about being poor is ok is mostly silly.

But money and possessions are not important enough to kill someone over.

Edited September 22Sep 22 by save the frogs

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

So now you're making yourself into God.

You don't just believe in God, you're making the Laws of the Universe as though you're God.

My point is that you don't know for a fact that the Gods (plural) will take sides with you.

And then you might have the wrath of the Gods (plural) to deal with after murdering someone over an iPhone.

If there are family members there to protect, that complicates the decision though.

But let's say it's just me in the house, the decision is easier.

And now you are contradicting yourself a lot, not just a little.

One minute you are putting Jesus on a pedestal for his "don't worry about money" speech on the Mount.

And the next minute you are taking a shotgun to someone's head over "possessions you worked hard for".

Make up your mind. Are possessions important or not? Then the Sermon on the Mount is mostly bs?

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Huh? Self defense protecting yourself or others isn't making yourself into God but a father or husband that protects what's his, as all should do. I wouldn't shoot anyone who wasn't armed or going after a loved one. I would hold them until the police came. Exaggerating what I said doesn't help.

14 minutes ago, cynic1 said:

23 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

The official 911 story was a made up fairytale.

Maybe focus on waking up before looking into the deeper stuff 👍🏾

23 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

The official 911 story was a made up fairytale.

Maybe focus on waking up before looking into the deeper stuff 👍🏾

I forgot to add my advice to you. I suggest you call this number immediately: "1300 insane as" or "1300 46726 327"

1 hour ago, Tourist2 said:

Sorry I touched a nerve.
I wasnt lying though - dhe's only with you for your money 👴🏾

Man, your responses are increasingly incoherent.

Are you under the influence of some mind altering substance.

All this from a quote of a Three Stooges gag?

Are you possibly a tourist from another planet?

That would possibly explain your failure to understand.

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

Man, your responses

1 hour ago, cynic1 said:

call this number

Delivering the truth is usually difficult but is often a man's duty.
If what I said was true it will serve as a timely reminder / wake up call. Could eevn save him from a 'balcony fall'.
If I was wrong (unlikely imho) it'll be like water off a ducks back so ALL GOOD 🙏🏾

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

What is The Lethe?

I know The River Styx because I was a big Styx fan.

But I don't know The Lethe.

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The River Styx isa mythological river in Greek mythology that forms the boundary between the living world and the Underworld (Hades). 

You have me learning something. I guess the Styx would be crossed with the boatman. Drinking the waters of Lethe comes later:

"Lethe, (Greek: “Oblivion”), in Greek mythology, daughter of Eris (Strife) and the personification of oblivion. Lethe is also the name of a river or plain in the infernal regions.

"In Orphism, a Greek mystical religious movement, it was believed that the newly dead who drank from the River Lethe would lose all memory of their past existence. The initiated were taught to seek instead the river of memory, Mnemosyne, thus securing the end of the transmigration of the soul. At the oracle of Trophonius near Lebadeia (modern Levadhia, Greece), which was thought to be an entrance to the underworld, there were two springs called Lethe and Mnemosyne.

"Aristophanes’ The Frogs mentions a plain of Lethe. In Book X of Plato’s The Republic the souls of the dead must drink from the “river of Unmindfulness” before rebirth. In the works of the Latin poets Lethe is one of the five rivers of the underworld."

[ https://www.britannica.com/topic/Lethe ]

"Lethe, the river of forgetfulness, was one of the five rivers of the Greek underworld; the other four are Acheron (the river of sorrow), Cocytus (the river of lamentation), Phlegethon (the river of fire) and Styx (the river that separates Earth and the Underworld). In myth, the shades of the dead were only able to be reincarnated after they drank from the Lethe which would wash away all their memories."

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethe ]

Greek mythology (and the Minoan civilisation) fascinated me in my later school years, when I devoured the Penguin editions of Robert Graves' 'The Greek Myths'. Perhaps closer to British legend than many imagine.

Brut, who is said to have given his name to Brutayne (Britain) was the great-grandson of Aeneas, a Trojan leader who on the fall of Troy, founded with his followers, the colony of Latium, later part of Rome. Brut was exiled as result of accidentally killing his father when the two were out hunting together.

He and his followers went first to Greece where after a prolonged struggle on behalf of the descendants of enslaved Trojans they eventually defeated the Greek king. The conditions of the treaty were the liberation of all the slaves, the provision and outfitting of a fleet of ships, and the hand of the king's daughter in marriage. The King was apparently only too happy to be rid of them.

There followed maritime peregrinations which included a visit to an island whose name I forget where there was an oracle of, I think, Athene. The priestess told him of an island in the ocean beyond the Pillars of Hercules, which she said to be uninhabited and recommended they settled there. It turned out to be not entirely vacant, and the newcomers had first to slay a few troublesome 'giants'.

Brut with his bride and their expanded following founded a settlement on the River Thames where is now London which was named New Troy. As late as Shakespeare's time there was a widely held belief amongst Londoners that their city had formerly been called Trinovantum, or New Troy. The Romans, after their hard-fought conquest and occupation a thousand years later, called the place Londinium. The people who occupied the area were known as the Trinovantes. The only truly British name that remains is Ludgate, named after King Lud.

Neither exist....can you prove me wrong.

Edited September 22Sep 22 by Aussie999

6 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

Neither exist....can you prove me wrong.

If you were smart then maybe but nah.
That doesn't mean youre right though.

16 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

The official 911 story was a made up fairytale.

It is quite obvious that your goal is to repeat the lies about 9-11 conspiracies. Usually you are pushing your anti Israel and hate comments. for you, it's all about stirring up and fomenting unrest isn't it?

15 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Delivering the truth is usually difficult but is often a man's duty.
If what I said was true it will serve as a timely reminder / wake up call. Could eevn save him from a 'balcony fall'.
If I was wrong (unlikely imho) it'll be like water off a ducks back so ALL GOOD 🙏🏾

If anyone knows Tourist2 IRL please arrange for a welfare check.

This guy is so incoherent he may be suffering from a severe stroke or some kind of mental breakdown.

7 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

If you were smart then maybe but nah.
That doesn't mean youre right though.

So, you can't prove me wrong...ok

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

If anyone knows Tourist2 IRL please arrange for a welfare check.

This guy is so incoherent he may be suffering from a severe stroke or some kind of mental breakdown.

Does he really seem any more or less unhinged than either of the GGs, Bignok the Bogan, or any of the other certifiable lunatics? Many of them definitely do seem to be at least a beer short of a six-pack, but others might be relatively normal and just have substance abuse issues. Hard to know exactly what the case is from the other side of a keyboard.

5 hours ago, cdemundo said:

If anyone knows Tourist2 IRL please arrange for a welfare check.

This guy is so incoherent he may be suffering from a severe stroke or some kind of mental breakdown.

4 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

So, you can't prove me wrong...ok

3 hours ago, Alpha84 said:

Hard to know exactly what the case is from the other side of a keyboard.

Anyone who wastes time on this site is likely either very close to death or mentally ill.
I'm just the exception that proves the rule.

1 minute ago, Tourist2 said:

Anyone who wastes time on this site is likely either very close to death or mentally ill.
I'm just the exception that proves the rule.

and then there is you...delusional., which means no-one takes you seriously.

28 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Anyone who wastes time on this site is likely either very close to death or mentally ill.
I'm just the exception that proves the rule.

Sorry to break the bad news to you, but there are no exceptions to the rule.

On 9/21/2026 at 3:55 AM, spidermike007 said:

As a student of cosmology I definitely believe that there are millions of advanced civilizations in the universe far more advanced than ours. However due to the distance I seriously doubt that aliens have ever visited earth.

We are a speck of galactic dust. There are thousands of galaxies within our local Virgo supercluster, spanning 100 million light years, just in this relatively small part of the universe. Our supercluster is but one part of a larger cluster, called Laniakea, consisting of 100,000 large galaxies, spanning 400 million light years. And that is part of an infinite universe, with over 100 billion galaxies. And now some folks like Brian Cox are theorizing that the reality is closer to two trillion galaxies. Each galaxy has how many solar systems? How many planets and stars? And what about the possibility of a multiverse? 

And many somehow use their intellects to presume it is nothing but empty space. Why? Because it cannot be proven? That is a weak argument. We are the chosen ones? That is sheer hubris, and a statistical near impossibility.

In addition to the distance if they were truly advanced and they knew what we were like, they would say as far away as possible. What could we possibly have to offer them?

Listen up, cosmology student with the big brain and the even bigger ASSumptions.
You just spent three paragraphs flexing the size of the universe like it’s a personal achievement, then concluded that because the place is huge we must be swimming in little green men who are just too smart and too far away to bother with our sorry selves.

And you called the idea that we’re special “sheer hubris.”

That’s not humility.

That’s the oldest trick in the book: take the glory of God’s creation and use it to erase the Creator’s deliberate focus on one little blue speck.

Scripture doesn’t say “God so loved the two-trillion-galaxy multiverse that He sent His only Son to… check the local census.”

It says He so loved the world - this one, the one with the cross planted in it.

The Incarnation, the death, the resurrection… all of it happened here.

That’s not statistical chance.

That’s the Author of the story putting the climax on one stage.

Calling that “hubris” is like reading the Gospels and then complaining that the main character gets too much screen time.

You wave around light-years and superclusters like they somehow cancel out purpose.
A vast canvas doesn’t prove the Painter is indifferent.

It proves He’s not small.

The same God who stretched out the heavens also formed Adam from the dust of this ground and walked in the garden here.

Fine-tuning arguments, irreducible complexity, the razor-thin margins that make carbon-based life possible - those don’t scream “random lottery with infinite tickets.”

They scream design.

And design with a particular beneficiary in mind,

As for the “they’d stay far away because we’re trash” line… that’s just projection wearing a lab coat.

If there are advanced beings out there (and the Bible never says there can’t be), shouldn’t automatically assume they’re moral superiors who look down on us.

Fallenness isn’t limited to one planet.

But the one thing we do know for certain is that the God who made the whole show entered our history, took our nature, and died for our sins.

That’s not human arrogance.

That’s divine condescension.

The opposite of hubris.

So keep counting galaxies if it makes you feel cosmic.

Just don’t pretend the numbers rewrite the story that was written in blood.

The universe is big.

The cross is bigger.

And the idea that we’re the only ones who matter to the One who made it all isn’t pride -

it’s the plain reading of the text.

PS Anyway, what does 'student of Cosmology ' boil down to? just whacking off to space inspired prawns or something deeper?

🌚👌🏾💦

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Edited September 23Sep 23 by Tourist2

18 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Listen up, cosmology student with the big brain and the even bigger ASSumptions.
You just spent three paragraphs flexing the size of the universe like it’s a personal achievement, then concluded that because the place is huge we must be swimming in little green men who are just too smart and too far away to bother with our sorry selves.

And you called the idea that we’re special “sheer hubris.”

That’s not humility.

That’s the oldest trick in the book: take the glory of God’s creation and use it to erase the Creator’s deliberate focus on one little blue speck.

Scripture doesn’t say “God so loved the two-trillion-galaxy multiverse that He sent His only Son to… check the local census.”

It says He so loved the world - this one, the one with the cross planted in it.

The Incarnation, the death, the resurrection… all of it happened here.

That’s not statistical chance.

That’s the Author of the story putting the climax on one stage.

Calling that “hubris” is like reading the Gospels and then complaining that the main character gets too much screen time.

You wave around light-years and superclusters like they somehow cancel out purpose.
A vast canvas doesn’t prove the Painter is indifferent.

It proves He’s not small.

The same God who stretched out the heavens also formed Adam from the dust of this ground and walked in the garden here.

Fine-tuning arguments, irreducible complexity, the razor-thin margins that make carbon-based life possible - those don’t scream “random lottery with infinite tickets.”

They scream design.

And design with a particular beneficiary in mind,

As for the “they’d stay far away because we’re trash” line… that’s just projection wearing a lab coat.

If there are advanced beings out there (and the Bible never says there can’t be), shouldn’t automatically assume they’re moral superiors who look down on us.

Fallenness isn’t limited to one planet.

But the one thing we do know for certain is that the God who made the whole show entered our history, took our nature, and died for our sins.

That’s not human arrogance.

That’s divine condescension.

The opposite of hubris.

So keep counting galaxies if it makes you feel cosmic.

Just don’t pretend the numbers rewrite the story that was written in blood.

The universe is big.

The cross is bigger.

And the idea that we’re the only ones who matter to the One who made it all isn’t pride -

it’s the plain reading of the text.

PS Anyway, what does 'student of Cosmology ' boil down to? just whacking off to space inspired prawns or something deeper?

🌚👌🏾💦

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You are quoting a literal interpretation of the Bible and presuming that God stated planet earth within the New Testament. If there is a God he is the God of the universe, not the God of this Earth.

Hubris. Pure hubris.

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

You are quoting a literal interpretation of the Bible and presuming that God stated planet earth within the New Testament. If there is a God he is the God of the universe, not the God of this Earth.

Hubris. Pure hubris.

"If there is a God he is the God of the universe, not the God of this Earth."

HTF would you know u plum?

Hubris. Pure hubris.

You come across as a Midwit - like that Chomper guy - flowery / pretentious language masking the stench of horse <deleted> .

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Edited September 24Sep 24 by Tourist2

On 9/21/2026 at 2:26 PM, save the frogs said:

Who says either one is a "final destination"?

The Bible does, but it doesn't mean it works that way.

Let's say you lived a good life and the Gods want to reward you. You may be in some positive corner of the Universe for a while, but maybe then you need to move on and do something else, maybe even come back to Earth.

You quote, "Let's say you lived a good life and the Gods want to reward you" May be God has in mind a two weeks 5 star all expense paid holiday in Pattaya with an endless ATM card for Soi 6

7 minutes ago, Jack Hammer said:

You quote, "Let's say you lived a good life and the Gods want to reward you" May be God has in mind a two weeks 5 star all expense paid holiday in Pattaya with an endless ATM card for Soi 6

And the booby prize would be impotency so the joke would be complete.

Fire is responsible for our big brains.

We would not have evolved big brains without fire.

Hell hath no real meaning, anyway.

Instead of talking about Hell or Heaven, which both have no meaning, far better to listen to a song which, at the very least...

Has some meaning: