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RAWAI: An Australian woman was pulled off her motorcycle and robbed at gunpoint early Sunday morning in the same area where Norwegian tourist Simen Knudsen was killed two weeks earlier.

The victim, 27-year-old Australian Sooz Lomas, arrived in Phuket about two weeks ago to study Thai boxing at the Rawai Muay Thai camp.

About 2:30 am on Sunday, Ms Lomas left the nearby Icon Bar with an English friend named Paul, also 27. As Paul drove the motorbike and Ms Lomas rode pillion, the pair were approached from behind by two men on another motorbike.

Ms Lomas said the attack happened off the main road from Rawai to Kata.

“I don’t know the roads very well and neither did the guy who was driving. I think we may have taken a wrong turn, because we ended up somewhere that was very dark. I think we were followed from the bar,” she said.

“It was very soon after we left, and there were a bunch of people standing outside as we were leaving. We were going slowly, about 30kmh. Then two guys came up from behind, on the right. One of them reached out and grabbed my bag, pulling me off the motorbike.

“I came off and hit the ground face first, while the driver skidded along for a bit. I hit my head, so I was still a bit confused about exactly what had happened. One of the attackers went up to Paul, pointed a gun at him and asked for money. So he emptied his pockets.

“They both had guns. I was lying face down on the ground. I didn’t really know what was going on, but one of the guys came up to me saying, ‘Money! Money! Money!’ I wasn’t really sure what was happening, but I didn’t want to give up my bag straight away. Then I felt my bag being grabbed and they cut the strap and pulled it off me,” Ms Lomas said

Once they had taken all her possessions, the gunmen left quickly, getting away with about 1,500 baht in cash, credit cards, a mobile phone and camera – in addition to the money stolen from Paul.

Ms Lomas, who is on her first trip to Thailand, said she didn’t get a good look at her assailants. “Once I saw they had a gun, I didn’t really look at anything else. It was scary. I had never seen a gun before so it was one of the most frightening experiences in my life,” she said.

Cut and bruised from her hard fall, Ms Lomas and Paul returned to Rawai Muay Thai, where the manager took them to the police and then to hospital for treatment.

Since that night, police have twice been back to the camp to question her about the attack, but Ms Lomas was not sure if the officers were from Chalong Police, which has jurisdiction in this case, or Phuket City Police, who have been assigned by provincial police to take over the high-profile Knudsen murder investigation that took place in the same vicinity.

Chalong Police earlier announced they had arrested a young suspect who had admitted to killing Mr Knudsen, with the help of a brother and a friend. The other two suspects were arrested soon thereafter by Phuket City Police, who after questioning ruled out all three as suspects in the Knudsen murder.

Ms Lomas said the attack has not only changed her vacation plans, but also the way she feels about traveling in Thailand.

“I have certainly been more careful since. I had heard stories of things like this happening. There was a Norwegian guy [Mr Knudsen] who was killed not long ago and the police had said that this had happened a few times recently. It does make me think twice about coming back to Phuket.

“I have heard that people with handbags are being targeted, so I am not going to carry one anymore. A lot of the people at the gym are really paranoid now; lots of the girls at the camp are quite scared,” said Ms Lomas.

Her training at Rawai Muay Thai was going well until the attack, which left her covered in bruises and abrasions and forced her to cease training.

“I was going to leave, but I couldn’t get a flight. I am a bit short of cash now with everything that happened and all my medical bills. I couldn’t get a flight out on the 19th, but I was leaving on the 22nd anyway,” she said.

--Phuket Gazette

just wondering if they released the little thugs after the declared them innocent of the Norwegian's murder.

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Have to agree with intoxicajun. These folks leaving bars in the wee small hours, possibly intoxicated, and driving bikes along dark/quiet country roads, are just asking for trouble. Pity really as these tourists are here for a short time, to have a good time, and should expect some protection. But hey, what do you expect with our island's Keystone cops. All in bed before midnight. If there is nothing in it for the individual police officer ..... mai pen rai, up to you

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RAWAI: An Australian woman was pulled off her motorcycle and robbed at gunpoint early Sunday morning in the same area where Norwegian tourist Simen Knudsen was killed two weeks earlier.

The victim, 27-year-old Australian Sooz Lomas, arrived in Phuket about two weeks ago to study Thai boxing at the Rawai Muay Thai camp.

About 2:30 am on Sunday, Ms Lomas left the nearby Icon Bar with an English friend named Paul, also 27. As Paul drove the motorbike and Ms Lomas rode pillion, the pair were approached from behind by two men on another motorbike.

Ms Lomas said the attack happened off the main road from Rawai to Kata.

"I don't know the roads very well and neither did the guy who was driving. I think we may have taken a wrong turn, because we ended up somewhere that was very dark. I think we were followed from the bar," she said.

"It was very soon after we left, and there were a bunch of people standing outside as we were leaving. We were going slowly, about 30kmh. Then two guys came up from behind, on the right. One of them reached out and grabbed my bag, pulling me off the motorbike.

"I came off and hit the ground face first, while the driver skidded along for a bit. I hit my head, so I was still a bit confused about exactly what had happened. One of the attackers went up to Paul, pointed a gun at him and asked for money. So he emptied his pockets.

"They both had guns. I was lying face down on the ground. I didn't really know what was going on, but one of the guys came up to me saying, 'Money! Money! Money!' I wasn't really sure what was happening, but I didn't want to give up my bag straight away. Then I felt my bag being grabbed and they cut the strap and pulled it off me," Ms Lomas said

Once they had taken all her possessions, the gunmen left quickly, getting away with about 1,500 baht in cash, credit cards, a mobile phone and camera – in addition to the money stolen from Paul.

Ms Lomas, who is on her first trip to Thailand, said she didn't get a good look at her assailants. "Once I saw they had a gun, I didn't really look at anything else. It was scary. I had never seen a gun before so it was one of the most frightening experiences in my life," she said.

Cut and bruised from her hard fall, Ms Lomas and Paul returned to Rawai Muay Thai, where the manager took them to the police and then to hospital for treatment.

Since that night, police have twice been back to the camp to question her about the attack, but Ms Lomas was not sure if the officers were from Chalong Police, which has jurisdiction in this case, or Phuket City Police, who have been assigned by provincial police to take over the high-profile Knudsen murder investigation that took place in the same vicinity.

Chalong Police earlier announced they had arrested a young suspect who had admitted to killing Mr Knudsen, with the help of a brother and a friend. The other two suspects were arrested soon thereafter by Phuket City Police, who after questioning ruled out all three as suspects in the Knudsen murder.

Ms Lomas said the attack has not only changed her vacation plans, but also the way she feels about traveling in Thailand.

"I have certainly been more careful since. I had heard stories of things like this happening. There was a Norwegian guy [Mr Knudsen] who was killed not long ago and the police had said that this had happened a few times recently. It does make me think twice about coming back to Phuket.

"I have heard that people with handbags are being targeted, so I am not going to carry one anymore. A lot of the people at the gym are really paranoid now; lots of the girls at the camp are quite scared," said Ms Lomas.

Her training at Rawai Muay Thai was going well until the attack, which left her covered in bruises and abrasions and forced her to cease training.

"I was going to leave, but I couldn't get a flight. I am a bit short of cash now with everything that happened and all my medical bills. I couldn't get a flight out on the 19th, but I was leaving on the 22nd anyway," she said.

--Phuket Gazette

just wondering if they released the little thugs after the declared them innocent of the Norwegian's murder.

Been here 2 weeks, and didn't know that turn left out of Icon takes you to Kata via the Lions Den Route, or turn right to go to Rawai and the safety of the boxing digs.........

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This is gonna be bitter.

But let me first say that "we're not in Kansas anymore, To-to." If you want CCTV you need to haul your arse back to London. Some brit and some aussie are stupid enough to go into a hungry lions den, well, your lucky you got off with your life.

You might as well just ride around pouring money and cell phones and <deleted> all over the street. As far as CCTV, in Thailand.

What a foolish suggestion. Foolish.

I bet not only your post is bitter.

Thursday, February 15, 2007

Island CCTV up and running

bull2152007-5515-1.jpgWorawit Worrawiboonpong (right), Manager of CAT Telecom’s Phuket Office, shows off the capabilities of the new high-tech surveillance system to Phuket City Police Superintendent Col Nos Svettalekha at the Phuket City Police Station CCTV Command Center.

PHUKET: The next time you are having a night out on the town in Patong, Kata-Karon or Phuket City be sure to keep a smile on your face: you might be on TV.

Pol Col Peerayuth Karachedi, Superintendent for Administrative Affairs at Phuket Provincial Police Station, told the Gazette that a closed-circuit television (CCTV) system has been fully tested and is now operational in the three popular tourist locations.

Each of the three locales has 16 cameras linked to a command center at a local police station in Kathu, Chalong and Phuket City, respectively.

Installed under a 16-million-baht contract with telecommunications provider CAT Telecom Public Company Ltd, the CCTV system uses high-speed wireless CDMA EV-DO technology, similar to the wireless network now available to Internet users around the island.

“All the equipment is ready, but we still need to make minor adjustments to optimize efficiency, such as by shifting camera angles slightly to maximize the area of coverage… but from our tests we can confirm that the system is up and running at all three locations,” he said.

About one week was spent testing the equipment in all three areas, he added.

The CCTV cameras can record data for up to 30 days before the data needs to be archived.

The ease with which the video images can be replayed and reviewed is expected to improve law enforcement capability, security and traffic control, he said.

By the end of February police officers in the respective command centers will begin a two-month training program in how to operate the system effectively. The course will be taught by engineers from project contractor Bosch Security System Thailand, Col Peerayuth added.

Cat Telecom will be given 10 more days to fine-tune the system to police requirements, after which time the police will sign off for final payment, he said.

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This is gonna be bitter.

But let me first say that "we're not in Kansas anymore, To-to." If you want CCTV you need to haul your arse back to London. Some brit and some aussie are stupid enough to go into a hungry lions den, well, your lucky you got off with your life.

You might as well just ride around pouring money and cell phones and <deleted> all over the street. As far as CCTV, in Thailand.

What a foolish suggestion. Foolish.

Tuesday, June 5, 2007

Local administrations to fund CCTV expansion

PHUKET: Following the installation 48 closed-circuit television (CCTV) surveillance cameras covering parts of Phuket City, Patong and Kata-Karon, local administrations across the island are preparing to fund 180 more cameras to improve security in their jurisdictions.

Vice-Governor Worapoj Ratthasima yesterday chaired a meeting on ways to fund installation of CCTV cameras at “risk” areas across the island by year’s end. Attending the gathering were Phuket Provincial Police Commander Maj Gen Decha Budnampetch, Phuket CAT Telecom Manager Worawit Worrawiboonpong and representatives of municipalities and tambon administration organizations (OrBorTor).

Leading the surveillance surge will be Phuket City Municipality, which has earmarked earmarked 16.6 million baht of its fiscal 2007 budget for installation of 35 more CCTV cameras and construction of its own central monitoring center, to be sited at the Phuket City Fire Station. The city will also add 25 more cameras at a cost of 9.2 million baht in fiscal 2008, the meeting was told.

Phuket City Police, which has its own monitoring center at its headquarters on Chumphon Rd, will be given access to the city’s CCTV feeds – but the city will still be unable to tap into the police cameras.

Also expanding its coverage will be Patong Municipality, which will add 10 more cameras to its existing 16 with 4.2 million baht budgeted for fiscal 2007.

Karon Municipality, which already has 16 cameras in operation, has no plans to add more. Karon Municipality Chief Administrative Officer Tawatchai Tongmang said that the existing cameras already cover all of Karon’s major risk areas. The town will only set aside a budget for system maintenance, he said.

Other local administrations planning to installing CCTV in fiscal 2007 are:

- OrBorTor Wichit: 1.9 million baht for 7 CCTV cameras;

- OrBorTor Chalong: 5 million baht for 13 CCTV cameras;

- OrBorTor Rawai: 20 million baht for 16 CCTV cameras;

- OrBorTor Mai Khao: 1 million baht for coverage at Tah Chat Chai.

Cameras in Wichit will be monitored from the control center at Phuket City Police Station, while those in Chalong and Rawai will be monitored from the control center at Chalong Police Station, which already monitors the 16 Karon-based CCTV cameras.

Three cameras set up to monitor traffic at Chalong Circle are also linked to Chalong Police Station. Although working fine, these do not use CAT Telecom’s “CAT IT Security” service, which is based on high-speed, wireless CDMA2000 1X EV-DO technology.

Other administrations planning to set up CCTV cameras include OrBorTor Rassada, which will fund installation of 10 cameras in fiscal 2008.

Pol Maj Gen Decha told the meeting he wanted all local administrations to realize how well Phase I of the CCTV system had increased security, both for residents and tourists, since it went into operation about three months ago.

While confident that CCTV will play a big part in law enforcement in Phuket, he added that the effectiveness of the system ultimately depends on the management capabilities of the police units and other agencies responsible.

“We shouldn’t expect CCTV to solve all criminal cases, but is an important tool that makes police work a lot easier,” he said.

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Monday, July 30, 2007

Gov calls for mobile CCTV

PHUKET: At the Provincial Security Committee Meeting at the ST Hotel on Thursday, Phuket Governor Niran Kalayanamit called for the local police to look into setting up a “mobile CCTV” unit to roam Phuket’s streets.

“I have seen this new technology on TV. It is used in England, where they use a mobile CCTV unit that drives everywhere and uses a wireless connection to link to the monitors in the control room,” Governor Niran told the committee.

“It would be good if we could also use this technology, especially in the high season. Such a vehicle could record everything and send it directly to the control room. This is a good example of something being used in a more developed country that we should use.

“I want to leave this to the police and the provincial administration to look into as an idea. It would be great if Phuket could have about three mobile CCTV units,” he said

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Sunday, June 3, 2007

Police push for 180 more CCTV cameras

PHUKET: After hailing as a success the installation of 48 closed-circuit television (CCTV) cameras around the island, Phuket Provincial Police Superintendent of General Staff Pol Col Peerayut Karajedee on Friday announced that police are now looking to install 180 more public surveillance cameras.

At the monthly Governor Meets the Press meeting, Col Peerayut said that the 48 cameras installed in Phuket City, Kata-Karon and Patong at a cost of 16 million baht had proven useful in police work in the cameras’ first three months of operation.

“The CCTV system helps police in both crime suppression and prevention, as well as in traffic monitoring and control. Reports from the three control stations show that the CCTV has helped solve many criminal cases, including snatch-and-run thefts and acts involving bodily harm.

“We can follow the suspects and order the closest police officers to intercept them more easily. We can use the CCTV records as evidence in traffic cases, too,” he said.

However, Col Peerayut said that the current CCTV system has some minor faults. Sometimes images lack the resolution needed to make out car license plate numbers and better “zoom” functions could be added, he said.

“The main problem now is operating costs, especially electricity charges. Every CCTV camera needs electricity and air conditioners must operate 24 hours a day in each control room,” he said.

“We are now looking for help in covering these costs from local administrative bodies, which benefit directly from the CCTV system,” he added.

Phuket Vice-Governor Worapoj Ratthasima said that the second phase of CCTV system will be installed by the end of this year.

“We have identified 180 ‘risk areas’ in Phuket’s three districts where CCTV cameras should be installed. Local administrations now are preparing budgets for that and I will hold a meeting soon to discuss it further,” he said.

In addition to boosting coverage in Phuket City, Kata-Karon and Patong, cameras are expected to be set up in key areas of tambons Wichit and Rawai in Muang District as well as in Tah Chat Chai in Mai Khao, Thalang.

“We have also asked for the private sector, such as shopping centers, shops, housing estate developments and hotels, to install CCTV cameras [linked to the police system] so we can use them in case any crimes are committed in their areas. We have had a good response from them,” V/G Worapoj said.

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:o:D :D :D :D

Who looks foolish now? Oh god that is funny! I don't recall seeing anyone being more wrong about something on TV before--and that is saying quite a lot. I guess the moniker Intoxicajun kind of sums it up doesn't it?

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intoxicajun , you really do know it all dont you.

are you still running that cafe with your mummy in phuket ? the one that sells burnt chicken.

you'd better be careful , if she reads your dumb post she'll have you over her knee , trousers down and six of the best.

:D:D

Special Forces in the US Navy
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keep posting boy , you're the best thing to hit thai visa for a long while. with your "wimp trying to be a hard case" writing style and your specialist knowledge of cameras and gumbo mush you could go far.

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:o:D :D :D :D

Who looks foolish now? Oh god that is funny! I don't recall seeing anyone being more wrong about something on TV before--and that is saying quite a lot. I guess the moniker Intoxicajun kind of sums it up doesn't it?

Qual, you are stupid. I don't live in Thailand so I can read the newspaper, or watch TV. I am young and fit, and have a full and active life outdoors, free from Fear Propaganda. I also did a bit of Telecom in the Special Forces in the US Navy, and CCTV's have vulnerabilities, easy overcome with a bit of frequency knowledge. I mean really. CCTV's are placed where THE TOURISTS SHOULD GO, and ARE RECOMMENDED TO GO. NOT DOWN THE BACK ALLEYS OF hel_l. I am sure you like the cameras looking at you. It must make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that they, the cameras, are watching. You must like it when people watch you, leave your blinds open, doing your own thing, everso comfortable in the realm of CCTV. Let me say this, CCTV is a false sense of security, and as for Cameras going up on the Lions Den Expressway, they are more likely to put cameras on UR-ANUS before they ever see Raiwai.

All of that crap you attached to the spread is for the places for tourists. I like many other normal people who enjoy privacy, live in areas that are more geared to Thai Lifestyle. I am not an old wrinkled has been living in a flat in Patong, drinking cheap beer and b@ngin all and everything. Patong is like living in the red Light District in Amsterdam. It isn't Thailand, and to live there is your problem. CCTV makes me sick.

Oh, and by the way, they will still kill you in front of a camera. You are not safe in front of a Zoom lens you moron. What does the camera do when you are getting the <deleted> kicked out of you, it just does what you like it to do oh so much. It just watches.

Thai's can wear masks and then what? If no one is watching the camera while you are being acosted, then what? An investigation? A Posse? Dude, what matters after your dead, the recorded video? Facist.

the rest of my post will violate the forum rules, so it will not be available for viewing.

Didn't think you lived here intoxicajun. I received your mildly threatening PM and have reported it to the moderators--thanks. Curious as to why you say you don't live here (above) but in your PM you invite me to visit you in Chalong. Which one is it?

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This incident sounds like the classic Thai bag snatch on motorbike trick, happens all the time amongst Thai's I've a sneaky feeling the only reason the crime went to the next stage is because driver and passenger came off the bike. Nevertheless, best thing to do is as suggested earlier: if you drunk or on a motorbike, stay away from that road and any other remote roads. In fact, if you're drunk stay off all roads completely, unless you are a passenger.

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ok folks. this is getting ridiculous. please refrain from name calling, threats, etc or more warnings and suspensions will be issued.

I apologize to ThaiVisa and those offended by my post(s).

Sincerely,

Tox

Good to see.

.......We have enough problems on the island without bickering amongst ourselves.

Viva a Healthy Thai Visa

Cheers & Chok Dee Khrap.

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It's the coast/hill road from south Kata over to Rawai.

I also consider the main road from Patong to Karon 'dangerous' in the wee small hours.

It has been said before, but I will repeat it for those who do not know.

Please do not put yourself in dangerous situations in the early hours of the morning (And I include dawn in this warning) it is not safe to travel on unlit rural roads. No matter what country you travel in these days, local crazies rob, rape and kill the unwitting.

Please exercise caution & common sense when travelling.

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It's the coast/hill road from south Kata over to Rawai.

I also consider the main road from Patong to Karon 'dangerous' in the wee small hours.

Not forgetting Kalim to Kamala or even Kamala to Surin.. They have all had thier share of muggings and bike banditry..

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It's the coast/hill road from south Kata over to Rawai.

I also consider the main road from Patong to Karon 'dangerous' in the wee small hours.

I just wish this was made known to the naive and trusting tourists that rent the motorbikes. Everyone that does this route understands your comment.

Total shame too because Karon has such a high risk characteristic. (Quiet area, great beach, that attracts the family and young couples demographic.) All we need is some young mother getting wacked and we will be in PR meltdown mode.

As others have commented, it would be nice if the boys in brown would patrol the route at night.

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Guess it will be no more late nights on the moped from Rawai-Patong-Rawai for me,then :o !!Maybe I`ve been lucky the last year motorbiking this stretch of the island..if not this new "trend" will deffo force me to fork out the money on a taxi !!

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Travel the road from Kata to Rawai every day, occasionally also by night. Never had any problems there. Where the problems seem to be at the moment though is not on a deserted stretch of road, but close to Icon, so almost in Ban Sayuan already.

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Installed under a 16-million-baht contract with telecommunications provider CAT Telecom Public Company Ltd, the CCTV system uses high-speed wireless CDMA EV-DO technology, similar to the wireless network now available to Internet users around the island.

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The CCTV cameras can record data for up to 30 days before the data needs to be archived.

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Thanks for the informative posts, MisterMan. I share intoxicajun's cynicism though about its effectiveness.

Putting on my IT and information security hats...

If the "high-speed wireless CDMA EV-DO technology" is the same that I have had with CAT for the last numerous months, then the upload speed is horrific; for me it's about 5 kbs/sec so, taking a wild guess, 30 minutes or less of video per day could be uploaded from the cameras and real-time monitoring is improbable. Therefore, there is no preventative security, only reactive and remedial security. And, if each camera can store one month's data, then field service technicians would have to go onsite every month to swap out the storage media and return it to the control room before any video could be examined. Cost effective for murders and gold shop robberies but not for most of the type of petty crimes that are predominant in Phuket.

I am highly skeptical of the system's effectiveness which I am sure will detoriorate exponentially over time.

If it has been so effective I wonder why the police do not extoll its virtues per crime; seems like it would be great PR and possibly act as a crime deterrent.

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wonder what the outcome for the farang would be if if two would be muggers got the sh%t kicked out of them for a change. I'm sure they will pick on the wrong person one day

no odubt the farang (if found) would be locked up on some charge or other and the press would have a field day writing about the nasty farangs beating up defenseless thais

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wonder what the outcome for the farang would be if if two would be muggers got the sh%t kicked out of them for a change. I'm sure they will pick on the wrong person one day

no odubt the farang (if found) would be locked up on some charge or other and the press would have a field day writing about the nasty farangs beating up defenseless thais

I doubt it..

I seem to remember a story where a guy caught a robber in his room and bunged him out the apartment window.. On the 3rd floor !!!

Police commended him on his actions..

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FYI

According to an analysis of London’s £200 million CCTV network by the Liberal Democrats, there is no evidence that CCTV cameras help to solve crime.

There are 10,534 CCTV cameras in 32 London Boroughs, owned and controlled by local authorities and Transport for London.

The Liberal Democrats compared the number of cameras in each London borough with the proportion of crimes solved there. It found that the percentage of crimes solved was no higher in boroughs with comprehensive CCTV systems than in boroughs with very few CCTV cameras.

On the contrary, four out of five of the boroughs with the greatest number of cameras - Wandsworth (993 cameras), Tower Hamlets (824), Greenwich (747) and Lewisham (730) - achieved below the average 21% rate of solving crime, while Kensington, Chelsea, Sutton and Waltham Forest, with less than 100 CCTV cameras each, still achieved a crime-solving rate of around 20%. Police in Sutton achieved a clear-up rate of 25%.

Dee Doocey, the Liberal Democrats’ spokeswoman on policing, suggests that with no clear link between CCTV and crime-solving, money spent on CCTV might be better spend on providing extra police officers.

The figures used in the study were obtained by the Liberal Democrats on the London Assembly using the Freedom of Information Act.

From: www.cctvcore.co.uk

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