Exit Poll Results Show PPP Wins

[meemiathai]

Its sad to see that the majority of Farangs here do not respect the Thai peoples right to democratically elect a government of their choice.

Having an own opinion and voicing it is not equal to not-respecting the Thai peoples right. Just because some farmers think Thaksing is great does not mean that more educated people have to keep their mouth shut.

If you don't agree with my comparison between "intelligence" then asnwer me the following question: Why do parents make decisions, not their children? Maybe because the kids don't have the knowledge and experience to make intelligent and usefull decisions? Yes, I compare the north-east to children. You given them some chocolate and they obey. They know how to grow grass and how to cook it. Growing grass is important for this country, but only knowing how to cook is not enough to bring Thailand forward. And if you still think Samak is the ideal candidate for this job, I have to ask you another question. Do you let your grandmother make decisions that impact your own future? This man has passed the expiry date for this position.

I can see how educated you are just by your excellent post. What an intelligent post!

But I am not sure about the parents and children thing. You mean if the parents make a boy wear a skirt then it is right? You mean if the boy wants to play rugby you can make him dance ballet? I think if I have children I will help them make their own decisions.

And that was nice calling all people in Isaan children. Did you marry a child?

[Mosha]

555 oh ok, an imaginary type being, now i understand thx

SWMBO

She

Who

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Obeyed

Imaginary? Don't you believe it. If you are the boss in you house, it is because your wife lets you think it's true. Never ever upset the one doing the cooking.

[Felt 35]

Great CV

While Samak now rails against the military and its ouster of Thaksin, he hasn't always been aligned against them. Thai society was deeply polarized between left and right when Indochina fell under communist rule in 1975. On the morning of Oct. 6, 1976, police and right-wing paramilitary mobs invaded Thammasat University, raping, lynching and burning alive scores of students who were demonstrating for greater civil liberties. A few hours later, the military staged a coup. Samak was then appointed interior minister in one of Thailand's most repressive governments. Leftists and students were hunted down and jailed. "I blame him," says Prof. Thientham Thiensirichai, a former student who fled to the jungles and is now a member of the Matchima political party, a smaller TRT splinter-party. "He is my enemy."

In May 1992, Bangkok's middle class rose up to demand that the then coup leader, Gen. Suchinda Krapayoon, resign. Suchinda had the army open fire, killing scores in what has come to be known as "Black May." Samak, who was deputy prime minister, called the demonstrators troublemakers and communists, and said it was acceptable for the government to shoot them. After the King intervened and democracy was restored, Samak still won a seat to parliament in Bangkok's military-dominated Dusit district. During the late 1990s, he and Thaksin served as cabinet ministers in the scandal-plagued government of Prime Minister Banharn Silpa-archa. Samak and Thaksin were publicly admonished by the King for arguing with each other rather than solving the capital's notorious traffic problems. Nonetheless, in 2000, Samak was elected Bangkok governor, winning in a landslide. Though his term lacked notable accomplishments — and he's under investigation for alleged corruption in the procurement of fire trucks — Bangkok voters sent him to the Senate in April 2005.

[meemiathai]

Its sad to see that the majority of Farangs here do not respect the Thai peoples right to democratically elect a government of their choice.

Having an own opinion and voicing it is not equal to not-respecting the Thai peoples right. Just because some farmers think Thaksing is great does not mean that more educated people have to keep their mouth shut.

If you don't agree with my comparison between "intelligence" then asnwer me the following question: Why do parents make decisions, not their children? Maybe because the kids don't have the knowledge and experience to make intelligent and usefull decisions? Yes, I compare the north-east to children. You given them some chocolate and they obey. They know how to grow grass and how to cook it. Growing grass is important for this country, but only knowing how to cook is not enough to bring Thailand forward. And if you still think Samak is the ideal candidate for this job, I have to ask you another question. Do you let your grandmother make decisions that impact your own future? This man has passed the expiry date for this position.

A rather paternalistic attitude there.

One of the fundamental principals of democracy is that every man is created equal and therefore has an equal right to cast a vote that will be considered equally regardless of education, wealth or social status.

To put yourself up there as a being of superior intellect similar to a parent and child is an insult to the Thai people. They have a right to choose their own political destiny the same as we do in our own countries. And BTW, many people in our own countries are none too bright or politically aware, but we dont demand that their votes shouldnt be considered.

Attitudes like yours belong back in the old feudal system which we in the west abandoned in favour of democracy a couple of centuries ago.

Although its far from over yet, what I see from people like you is not some kind of superior intellect but rather a case of good old fashioned sour grapes.

And a lot have the luxury to end up having life-long holidays in thailand.

[jumnien]

Muslims, methamphetamine dealers, Bangkok's elite and wealthy Generals all have very legitimate beefs with the pro-Thaksin PPP and do not see things as the majority of Thai voters do. I don't think it really has anything to do with education level. The times they are a changin. Happy days are here again!

[Heng]

The TRT/PPP have their guns and tanks as well, they just couldn't get them out of their gun cabinets in time and the other guys took off with the keys to the tanks at an inopportune moment...

Again the key is a closer relationship between the government and the military this time.

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[Jingthing]

Its sad to see that the majority of Farangs here do not respect the Thai peoples right to democratically elect a government of their choice.

Strange you seem to think that the majority of farangs give a shit about thailand's people. Most important thing is thailand remains a disneyland for them. That means people remain poor.

That is really overstating our imagined evil intentions quite a bit. I think most farangs supported Abhisit because they wanted more stability and unity, not to crush the masses.

Edited December 23, 2007 by Jingthing

[Naam]

555 oh ok, an imaginary type being, now i understand thx

SWMBO

She

Who

Must

Be

Obeyed

Imaginary? Don't you believe it. If you are the boss in you house, it is because your wife lets you think it's true. Never ever upset the one doing the cooking.

i wouldn't dare! the husband of our maid/cook is the gardener and takes good care of my garden.

[mitrapaap]

Its sad to see that the majority of Farangs here do not respect the Thai peoples right to democratically elect a government of their choice.

Having an own opinion and voicing it is not equal to not-respecting the Thai peoples right. Just because some farmers think Thaksing is great does not mean that more educated people have to keep their mouth shut.

If you don't agree with my comparison between "intelligence" then asnwer me the following question: Why do parents make decisions, not their children? Maybe because the kids don't have the knowledge and experience to make intelligent and usefull decisions? Yes, I compare the north-east to children. You given them some chocolate and they obey. They know how to grow grass and how to cook it. Growing grass is important for this country, but only knowing how to cook is not enough to bring Thailand forward. And if you still think Samak is the ideal candidate for this job, I have to ask you another question. Do you let your grandmother make decisions that impact your own future? This man has passed the expiry date for this position.

I can see how educated you are just by your excellent post. What an intelligent post!

But I am not sure about the parents and children thing. You mean if the parents make a boy wear a skirt then it is right? You mean if the boy wants to play rugby you can make him dance ballet? I think if I have children I will help them make their own decisions.

And that was nice calling all people in Isaan children. Did you marry a child?

An election is not about wearing a skirt or playing rugby instead of dancing ballet. It is about the future of a nation. And I think it would be beneficial if this kind of decisions could be made by people who see more far than the edge of their rice field. (My apology here for having written "grass" in my first post, I of course meant "rice").

I menitoned in a post yesterday, that "it is their country and their decision" and "every society gets the government they deserve". May that calm you a little bit.

How did you know I got married with a women from Isaan? Please tell me more abot it, as far as I know I'm still single. (stay with facts you know)

[meemiathai]

My gut reaction to this vote (if it turns out as predicted) is that the people of Thailand have expressed a desire for blood lust.

Would you like to explain that comment further?

"Bloodlust"? How on earth did you come to that conclusion?

I said gut feeling, Not conclusion.

To analyze why I feel this way. The Thai people were offered a more peaceful UNITED path out of this morass. A weak democratic PM with a coalition government. Instead they voted for the Thaksin surrogate, a party they know the current military government can't allow to take total power (so if they won't can this still be settled without blood? Not clear, is it?), and also a party with a solid history of mass extra-judicial murders.

Thus my feeling that the people of Thailand have voted for a blood letting.

Correct me if I have got it wrong, but the way I interpret what you are saying is; -- the people know the military will not accept the democratic vote if the PPP is elected and that it will lead to another coup which could end up being a very bloody affair this time round?

That's a very round about way of displacing blame if my interpretation is correct. The military cant accept the democratic vote, so they take over the country killing anyone who gets in their way. And its the voters fault for exercising their democratic right to vote for who they choose to instead of of being submissive to the wishes of a military dictatorship. You call that "bloodlust" on the part of the voters?

I have always thought that people who fight not to get raped are bloodlust people. No?

[bulmercke]

BREAKING NEWS

NEWS24 - Thailand -

A PPP spokesaman has just announced on Thai television that the Chart Thai and Peua Paendin leaders are currently meeting with Prem Tinsulonda at his Tavees residence.

He expressed concern about this other 'process' which is on-going with the election count.

Scheduled PPP press conference delayed.

[mel2surf]

Wow this is getting good.

Where's the popcorn?

[alexth]

BREAKING NEWS

NEWS24 - Thailand -

A PPP spokesaman has just announced on Thai television that the Chart Thai and Peua Paendin leaders are currently meeting with Prem Tinsulonda at his Tavees residence.

He expressed concern about this other 'process' which is on-going with the election count.

Scheduled PPP press conference delayed.

Hope everybody will make it out of that residence safe and sound

[blaze]

BREAKING NEWS

NEWS24 - Thailand -

A PPP spokesaman has just announced on Thai television that the Chart Thai and Peua Paendin leaders are currently meeting with Prem Tinsulonda at his Tavees residence.

He expressed concern about this other 'process' which is on-going with the election count.

Scheduled PPP press conference delayed.

oh boy--- here we go

[sibeymai]

Great CV

While Samak now rails against the military and its ouster of Thaksin, he hasn't always been aligned against them. Thai society was deeply polarized between left and right when Indochina fell under communist rule in 1975. On the morning of Oct. 6, 1976, police and right-wing paramilitary mobs invaded Thammasat University, raping, lynching and burning alive scores of students who were demonstrating for greater civil liberties. A few hours later, the military staged a coup. Samak was then appointed interior minister in one of Thailand's most repressive governments. Leftists and students were hunted down and jailed. "I blame him," says Prof. Thientham Thiensirichai, a former student who fled to the jungles and is now a member of the Matchima political party, a smaller TRT splinter-party. "He is my enemy."

In May 1992, Bangkok's middle class rose up to demand that the then coup leader, Gen. Suchinda Krapayoon, resign. Suchinda had the army open fire, killing scores in what has come to be known as "Black May." Samak, who was deputy prime minister, called the demonstrators troublemakers and communists, and said it was acceptable for the government to shoot them. After the King intervened and democracy was restored, Samak still won a seat to parliament in Bangkok's military-dominated Dusit district. During the late 1990s, he and Thaksin served as cabinet ministers in the scandal-plagued government of Prime Minister Banharn Silpa-archa. Samak and Thaksin were publicly admonished by the King for arguing with each other rather than solving the capital's notorious traffic problems. Nonetheless, in 2000, Samak was elected Bangkok governor, winning in a landslide. Though his term lacked notable accomplishments — and he's under investigation for alleged corruption in the procurement of fire trucks — Bangkok voters sent him to the Senate in April 2005.

I can only conclude from the above that the entire political landscape of Thailand is tainted and that if Samak and the PPP win a majority, that the majority of Thai voters are irresponsible, don't give a fig about Thailand or democracy, corrupt politicians or Buddhist precepts.

At least Thais can now stop pretending they want to be like developed countries having voted against any substantial change from the existing feudal system. The world now certainly knows the black heart of Thailand remains and it will be demonstrated to the world when Mr. T is welcomed back as a returning hero. My guess is he'll come back within a day or 2 of Samak's taking the PM position.

The next military coup will be a tougher struggle and there will be bloodshed. But this is exactly what the Thais have voted for. So be it. Sadly, after the fighting ends those same Thais will vote those responsible back into office to repeat it all over again.

[Mosha]

I'm followinf\g the election link. The situation is very fluid.

[Jingthing]

Wow this is getting good.

Where's the popcorn?

[blaze]

Wow this is getting good.

Where's the popcorn?

Hey you would'a LOVED Rwanda- PIZZA!!!!!

[Jingthing]

The next military coup will be a tougher struggle and there will be bloodshed. But this is exactly what the Thais have voted for. So be it. Sadly, after the fighting ends those same Thais will vote those responsible back into office to repeat it all over again.

Seems quite possible.

Edited December 23, 2007 by Jingthing

[Heng]

And I think it would be beneficial if this kind of decisions could be made by people who see more far than the edge of their rice field.

That's the way it already is. And the powers that be (here and everywhere else) only give the masses the illusion that they are voting for something.

[bulmercke]

Surapong Suebwonglee (PPP) now talking live on Thai television - Samak also present - doesn't look too happy.

PPP stating that 'maybe' they're not the winner!

"Something up-side down." Early pronouncement very strange.

Outside interferrence?

[mel2surf]

Fireworks over here in Jomtien and traditional Thai gamalon music can be heard,along with whoops and shouts!

[blaze]

Surapong Suebwonglee (PPP) now talking live on Thai television - Samak also present - doesn't look too happy.

PPP stating that 'maybe' they're not the winner!

"Something up-side down." Early pronouncement very strange.

Outside interferrence?

from the Nation: "Jakrapob says Prem calls leaders of Chart Thai, Puea Pandin to meeting".

[blaze]

And I think it would be beneficial if this kind of decisions could be made by people who see more far than the edge of their rice field.

That's the way it already is. And the powers that be (here and everywhere else) only give the masses the illusion that they are voting for something.

Totally agree- unless of course the voters are intelligent enought to vote the way I would vote- then they have shown their political acumen, their prudence and wisdom..

Edited December 23, 2007 by blaze

[jackspratt]

233 posts amounting to diddly squat.

Will be nice to wake up in the morning and actually see the result.

[jumnien]

Sonthi is carefully counting each vote and will announce the results in the morning!

[LaoPo]

BREAKING NEWS

NEWS24 - Thailand -

A PPP spokesaman has just announced on Thai television that the Chart Thai and Peua Paendin leaders are currently meeting with Prem Tinsulonda at his Tavees residence.

He expressed concern about this other 'process' which is on-going with the election count.

Scheduled PPP press conference delayed.

And WHAT exactly does that mean ?

Please explain.

LaoPo

[raybingham]

Traveler, if you want to be politically correct, you should avoid comparing people's intellegence.

It does matter in ability to make choices with far reaching consequences, though.

I'm afraid people made a conscious choice now, you can't blame it on lack of knowledge anymore.

They DO want corrupt government, they DO want to get paid for votes, they DO want to abolish the rule of law, not that it was strong in Thailand.

As a friend of mine said, just because the Thais eat fish bones it doesn't make it right.

[bulmercke]

Samak still talking live on TV. Expressing grave disappointment about losing but says he can't comment on other issues.

He's now stating that because of martial law they're now (presumably0 the CNS are trying to stop PPP from forming the next government.

Asked by a foreign reporter if he has any contact with the military replies no. Speaking very negatively about the CNS now and mentioning that leaders of two minor parties are meeting with Prem no.

Now stating that there is no oppostion in Thailand and that we need an oppostion.

Samak continuing to admonish and severely criticise the CNS.

Samak speaking english and praising army commander in chief.

Transmission could possibly be cut.

[Gravelrash]

Noticed forums in Australia after the election there recently, the losers predicting doom and gloom which is nonsense.

Here most are not Thai and cannot vote, but are certainly opinionated enough about the subject.

Comes down to will of the people, not the individual.

Personally I am going to bed and will see tomorrow who the Thais have voted in. Live with it.