Back on topic - what do y'all propose to do then for stopping killing of innocents like the recent bombing in Jarkarta?  More appeasement?

oh..no we will have to rely on all those people just like you to protect us...the ones that are 'gun collectors ' and have watched every single john wayne,rambo,arnie,bruce willis,chuck norris...etc..movie. that will work. and after you have killed all the bad guys, their wives, children,pets and stuffed toys...things will be wonderful......cue the emotional music,pretty sunset and roll the credits.

Yep, sticking our heads in the sand, hoping the bad guys will go away, we'll have Unicorns and Mary Poppins any minute now!

Those who would forget history are doomed to repeat it. Example: Neville Chamberlin.

Those who would forget history are doomed to repeat it. Example: Neville Chamberlin.

Omigod!

The dingo didn't get his baby AGAIN, did it ?

Quote Of The Day

"The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles."

-- Ayn Rand, Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 1966

There's too much "political correctness" in the world today!

We're being blinded by media bullshit!

I'm sick of reading goody-two-shoes codswallop about whether American foreign policy was to blame for 9/11 and whether Australia's involvement in Iraq was to blame for the Bali and Jakarta bombings!

It's time the media quit calling those murderous bastards by "soft" names and hinting at excuses for the atrocities they commit!

Let's start calling a spade a spade! They're not "Chechen separatists" or "freedom fighters" ... they're Islamic Radicals!!!

They want to impose worldwide Sharia ... and to achieve their goal they will kill you and me and everyone else in the world including other Muslims who doesn't kowtow to their lunatic interpretation of the Quran!

There's too much "political correctness" in the world today!

We're being blinded by media bullshit!

I'm sick of reading goody-two-shoes codswallop about whether American foreign policy was to blame for 9/11 and whether Australia's involvement in Iraq was to blame for the Bali and Jakarta bombings!

It's time the media quit calling those murderous bastards by "soft" names and hinting at excuses for the atrocities they commit!

Let's start calling a spade a spade! They're not "Chechen separatists" or "freedom fighters" ... they're Islamic Radicals!!!

They want to impose worldwide Sharia ... and to achieve their goal they will kill you and me and everyone else in the world including other Muslims who doesn't kowtow to their lunatic interpretation of the Quran!

Fully agree with the statement about political correctness, a philosophy that should have been shot down in flames at birth.

However, far more to the point; there are far too many extremist blinkered rectums walking around thrusting their bloodthirsty views on the world at large.

The simple laws regarding cause and effect work at every level. People do not go off the wall, join terrorist organizations and commit atrocities unless they feel deeply grieved by something. It matters not whether they are Islamic, Right wing KKK Christian, Palestinian or some weird Japanese sect, they feel they have been mistreated and terrorism is the only avenue they feel able to use to make their pain heard by others.

This short-sighted, unadulterated blinkered Krap

Let's start calling a spade a spade!  They're not "Chechen separatists" or "freedom fighters" ... they're Islamic Radicals!!!

They want to impose worldwide Sharia ... and to achieve their goal they will kill you and me and everyone else in the world including other Muslims who doesn't kowtow to their lunatic interpretation of the Quran!

philosophy, which fails to even consider that they might have been harmed, is the absolute, cast-iron guarantee that their ranks will continue to be filled by more and more victims, willing to shed their own blood in a vain attempt to put matters right.

Let’s look at the

"Chechen separatists" or "freedom fighters".

It has been noted that several of the terrorists were Black Widows. Women who had lost their husbands and frequently children to the Chechen struggle for freedom. Many of these Black Widows had their grief at bereavement further compounded by the pain and shame of rape.

These people have no wish to impose Sharia on you, me or even their own society. All they are looking for is justice, and the sooner society at large can find ways to address these problems, the sooner we can all be safe in our schools, our airplanes, our workplaces and our beds.

It is sad, but without perceived fairness and equality on our planet, there will always be those who feel hard done by, or worse. Of these, some will always be willing to put their lives on the line for what they believe in.

It is high time that the lamboproctologist followers of Bush, Cheney et al removed their heads from nether regions, whatever discomfort that may cause and attempted to see beyond their bomb sight to understand that wounds need to treated before they heal.

Chechen Islamicists burn up Russian airliners and shoot schoolgirls — and say they are victims, deprived of the chance for their own autonomous theocracy. Beheaders in Iraq decapitate Americans, Pakistanis, Koreans, Japanese, and Nepalese — only to claim that these are infidels guilty of trying to build roads and bridges. Italian humanitarians and charity workers are kidnapped by Islamicists. In the "holy" city of Najaf, religious extremists bomb innocents, not only without gratitude for those who freed them from Saddam, but full of hatred for those who would bring them consensual government.

Islamic terrorists kidnap French journalists and threaten them with execution, demanding that a sovereign nation previously known for its appeasement of radical Middle Eastern rogue regimes overturn a law protecting secular life in its schools. Hamas "freedom fighters" blow up buses inside Israel and call the dead children Zionists who belong in the sea.

Ask yourself: What do a Russian ten-year-old, a poor black farmer in Darfur, an elderly pensioner in Israel, a stockbroker in New York, and a U.N. aid worker in Afghanistan have in common? In the last three years, they have all died in similar ways: Unarmed and civilian, they were murdered by a common cowardly method fueled by a fascist ideology.

In a war against such killers, it is the proverbial "Them or Us." Islamic fascists are not crazy — however crazy they sound — but evil, as their evil work confirms. We do not need more lectures about the impossibility of winning a postmodern conflict, about al Qaeda's not following the laws of Clausewitz or being immune to our way of war. In fact, we can and have defeated them. Keep doing that and the "hearts and minds" of others in the region, whom we are already helping, will mysteriously prove more open to dialogue.

Fail again like we did on September 11 — and the entire United States Treasury could not buy the good will of an Islamic Street once more gone mad with delight for having felled the Great Satan.

It matters not whether they are Islamic, Right wing KKK Christian, Palestinian or some weird Japanese sect, they feel they have been mistreated and terrorism is the only avenue they feel able to use to make their pain heard by others.

Limp-wristed bleeding heart apologists are a major part of the current terrorist problem.

so these types of threads are legal here?

same shit Boon, all crap, all slanted and all said before.

I suppose it's OK to just wait 'till they come for you then? Do like Australia did and take away a persons firearm so only the criminals have guns, huh?

Back on topic - what do y'all propose to do then for stopping killing of innocents like the recent bombing in Jarkarta? More appeasement?

The catalyst for Australias stronger stance on gun control was because of the murderer that killed about 33 people in Tasmania. Bryandt or something like that, was a bored red neck who had a bad day and thought he would take it out on the general population.

Guns should not be in the arms of th depressed, the stupid or anyone who does not have a legitimate need for one.

Look at your own history, do remember Waco?

regarding Indo - two wrongs do not make a right. What do you think will happen if we went into Indo with a sore head?, it would not help the situation, it would make it far worse.

The world is a lot less safer now because of arrogant idiots dictating to the dictators. In this situation it has to be all or nothing - nuke em or try and work it out with diplomacy.

I for one are for the latter.

Be honest, Iraq is far from free and it will never get any better.

Chechen Islamicists burn up Russian airliners and shoot schoolgirls — and say they are victims, deprived of the chance for their own autonomous theocracy. Beheaders in Iraq decapitate Americans, Pakistanis, Koreans, Japanese, and Nepalese — only to claim that these are infidels guilty of trying to build roads and bridges. Italian humanitarians and charity workers are kidnapped by Islamicists. In the "holy" city of Najaf, religious extremists bomb innocents, not only without gratitude for those who freed them from Saddam, but full of hatred for those who would bring them consensual government.

Islamic terrorists kidnap French journalists and threaten them with execution, demanding that a sovereign nation previously known for its appeasement of radical Middle Eastern rogue regimes overturn a law protecting secular life in its schools. Hamas "freedom fighters" blow up buses inside Israel and call the dead children Zionists who belong in the sea.

Ask yourself: What do a Russian ten-year-old, a poor black farmer in Darfur, an elderly pensioner in Israel, a stockbroker in New York, and a U.N. aid worker in Afghanistan have in common? In the last three years, they have all died in similar ways: Unarmed and civilian, they were murdered by a common cowardly method fueled by a fascist ideology.

In a war against such killers, it is the proverbial "Them or Us." Islamic fascists are not crazy — however crazy they sound — but evil, as their evil work confirms. We do not need more lectures about the impossibility of winning a postmodern conflict, about al Qaeda's not following the laws of Clausewitz or being immune to our way of war. In fact, we can and have defeated them. Keep doing that and the "hearts and minds" of others in the region, whom we are already helping, will mysteriously prove more open to dialogue.

Fail again like we did on September 11 — and the entire United States Treasury could not buy the good will of an Islamic Street once more gone mad with delight for having felled the Great Satan. 

QUOTE rod_kalashnikov @ Mon 2004-09-13, 09:19:34

Limp-wristed bleeding heart apologists are a major part of the current terrorist problem.

I truly admire you, you know. Previously I had no conception that it was possible to get ones head so far up one’s posterior and still find the ability to draw breath. Most would have suffocated or choked on such excrement by now.

The major problem facing the world today is that the USA has forgotten, or chosen to ignore the oldest and truest political lesson in the book, one espoused so succinctly by my late, lamented cousin, Nancy Mitford CBE in her 1956 collection of Essays: Noblesse Oblige.

This catchphrase, although only coined under half a century ago, espoused the political philosophy under which all rulers since time immemorial have held onto and controlled the reins of power. In plainer, non foreign language, this is best defined by the phrase “With great power comes great responsibility.” Something America, her leaders and citizens are incapable of fully comprehending. Yes, I know you are going to scream about the US forces and their magnificent fight for “Freedom and Democracy” but this is not only irrelevant to the main issue but it completely misses the point and, in so many ways, exacerbates the problem.

America has, in recent times, become the only global superpower. As such she is, or should be, looked up to by all the citizens of the Earth. She ought to be seen to lead by example; “do as I do and you will be OK,” sort of thing. The problem starts however when she uses her power and starts saying “Do as I say!” Not only does she demand those less fortunate than her “Do as she says” but she makes it patently obvious that her ruling philosophy is “I’m all right Jack, So <deleted> all the rest of you!” As long as this attitude persists, there will always be those wishing to fight against it.

I know it is difficult, but look back at history. Every despotic “Do as I say” regime or philosophy has failed; including most supported by the USA and/or set up by the CIA. Compare them with the hated benevolent communism of Castro and his regime in Cuba, with the best public health and education system on the planet, still going strong, despite US policies to the contrary, after how many years? His people are happy, they are looked after, they have all they require to lead happy, productive, healthy lives. That is why they will never rise up and try to overthrow their leaders.

Where the planet is concerned, the USA is much like Castro but instead of seeing a leader who cares to ensure his people are looked after, they see a fortified ivory tower and a “<deleted> You” attitude worse than any other. None of this “Lets make sure there is enough to go around” Only “What do we care? We’ll <deleted> take what we want and you can fight over the crumbs.” You see examples of this very attitude on the streets of every major American city when the rich drive past in their vast, gas guzzling, air conditioned land yachts, and those less fortunate are forced to lie in their own excrement on the sidewalk.

Is it any wonder the USA and it’s leadership are being treated in the same manner as every despotic leadership since time immemorial?

On further reflection, I take back what I wrote above. I have no admiration for you. Indeed I feel truly sorry for you and anybody else who has views that are so deeply entrenched and brainwashed they are incapable of considering any other, unless it is over the barrel of a gun. You people need help, understanding, strong drugs and a nice, softly padded cell.

I have no time to waste on moral weaklings who parrot pseuo-intellectual communist claptrap!

I have no time to waste on moral weaklings who parrot pseuo-intellectual communist claptrap!

I rest my case.

Anybody up for a game of Twister?

I have no time to waste on moral weaklings who parrot pseuo-intellectual communist claptrap!

I rest my case.

Don't rest now - we're just getting going! Let's take one example at a time. How do you justify the slaughter of 350 innocent kids in Russia at the hands of demented so-called "Black Widows"?

Only someone with a utopian view of the world could say the killings were justified since their husbands had been killed. All the Ivory Tower pseudo-intelluctuals living in their comfortable cocoons in every university should get out and have to deal with the real world.

The real problem is the democratic dialogue itself, or lack of — unknown in the Arab Middle East and much of the Islamic world, and a hindrance to both sharia and the pan-Arabist thug with epaulettes and sunglasses. Yet consensual government alone is the key to ending failed statist economies, gender apartheid, religious intolerance, state-controlled media, and tribalism. It alone might stop the self-induced misery and with it the tedious scapegoating of "the Jews and America".

Get a grip...& get outa that ivory tower...

I have no time to waste on moral weaklings who parrot pseuo-intellectual communist claptrap!

I rest my case.

Don't rest now - we're just getting going! Let's take one example at a time. How do you justify the slaughter of 350 innocent kids in Russia at the hands of demented so-called "Black Widows"?

Only someone with a utopian view of the world could say the killings were justified since their husbands had been killed. All the Ivory Tower pseudo-intelluctuals living in their comfortable cocoons in every university should get out and have to deal with the real world.

The real problem is the democratic dialogue itself, or lack of — unknown in the Arab Middle East and much of the Islamic world, and a hindrance to both sharia and the pan-Arabist thug with epaulettes and sunglasses. Yet consensual government alone is the key to ending failed statist economies, gender apartheid, religious intolerance, state-controlled media, and tribalism. It alone might stop the self-induced misery and with it the tedious scapegoating of "the Jews and America".

Get a grip...& get outa that ivory tower...

Oh dear, here we go again.

Dear Boon Mee, You really do not understand the concept of real politik, do you?

I shall try to give you a brief explanation: Real politik can be regarded as politics based on true life, practical rather than moral or ideological considerations. This is what I and others like me try to espouse.

Your quoted examples are totally irrelevant to the point under discussion, vis. methods to solve the problem of global terrorism , a problem that can only be solved when the perceived reasons and problems have been fairly and equably dealt with. You can try to bomb them, shoot them, knife them and stomp them into the dust, but until you deal with their grievances, you will never overcome them.

You are so typically American, so very Gung Ho. It is such a pity that your education did not teach you very much.

In consideration of your nature, I suggest you do some research into the training methods and syllabus of the world’s premier special forces group, the men who attempt to train the US own Delta Force and Seals, among others. The 22nd / 23rd Special Air Forces regiments spend considerable time and effort learning how to communicate with and solve problems for civilians in areas they are likely to operate. They do not go in, guns blazing, and trying to push their own mid-western set of ideals and values on the savages. They genuinely win the hearts and minds of the majority of the ordinary people with whom they come in contact.

If she chose to, America could do likewise and win every battle, often without firing a shot. Instead, they try to bomb them into submission; a philosophy mired in impossible falsehood.

As I said before, I rest my case. If you are incapable of thinking about and understanding it, I have nothing but pity for you.

Don't waste false pity or change the subject here, pip. What's Realpolitic got to do with Chetchen's slaughtering 350 innocent souls? BTW, your condescending attitude can't hide just another blame America-First sycophant.

But, if we want to look for change from within, the Islamofascists offer nothing but the tired victimization from colonialism of some 50 years past or retro European-Zionist conspiracies of the 1940s. They remain mostly silent about past American efforts to free Kuwait, save Bosnians and Kosovars, topple murderers such as Saddam and the Taliban — and is completely mute about the ongoing Arab genocide of black Africans in Darfur.

The last three decades have taught Americans that extending aid or help to the Islamic world is almost as bad as warring with it, inasmuch as the Middle East apparently admires strength of any sort but despises magnanimity as decadence. There will always be a retired Clintonian diplomat or Council on Foreign Relations grandee to assure us that "the Bush foreign policy" is what stirred up the previously sober Middle East or alienated those once courageous French and Germans — as if the last decade did not lead logically to September 11.

Take that idealistic Realpolitic stuff back to those ivy-covered walls of acadamia - it don't work in the real world. Cite one example...

There are a little over 1 million Chechyens in Russia. They are one of the most dangerous terrorist groups in the world and the USA supports them, why, because the USA wants to further dismantle Russia. It is purely for economic reasons. When are people going to wake up and see that it is not religion people fight over?

There are a little over 1 million Chechyens in Russia. They are one of the most dangerous terrorist groups in the world and the USA supports them, why, because the USA wants to further dismantle Russia. It is purely for economic reasons. When are people going to wake up and see that it is not religion people fight over?

When you say the USA supports them, it's from a human-rights aspect. America needs Russia in the coalition and doesn't want to piss off Putin too much. With the latest development there, the alliance may get stronger.

Where is this coming from?  Well, 99 & 99/100% of the world's terrorists practice the Islam religion.  Just a fact of life in the 21st Century.

Also seems like 99% of all the f**** conflicts are involving the amer*** f*** govt!!!

Where is this coming from?  Well, 99 & 99/100% of the world's terrorists practice the Islam religion.  Just a fact of life in the 21st Century.

Also seems like 99% of all the f**** conflicts are involving the amer*** f*** govt!!!

Kosovo, Albania, Croatia, Hungary, Serbia, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Guam, Korea, Kurdistan, Sierra Leone, Honduras, Former Soviet Union, Colombia, Bolivia, Mozambique, Venezuela, Timor, Turkey, Sudan, Afganistan, Kenya, Cambodia, Congo, Liberia, Mexico, Taiwan Strait, Peru, Ecuador, Samolia, Haiti,

Rwanda, Cuba, North Korea, Angola, Philippines, Panama, El Salvador, Nicaragua,

Egypt, Poland, Vietnam, Dominican Republic, Laos, Lebanon and Iran.

What do each of them have in common with each other? Answer: Many of them have either been occupied willingly, unwillingly, used as training bases to invade other countries, invaded directly or obliterated with innumerable bombings by the USA. No other nation comes close to this lengthly rap sheet. Indeed there are others I have not mentioned. I LOVE MY COUNTRY. IT'S THE GOVERNMENT I AM AFRAID OF.

Your quoted examples are totally irrelevant to the point under discussion, vis. methods to solve the problem of global terrorism , a problem that can only be solved when the perceived reasons and problems have been fairly and equably dealt with. You can try to bomb them, shoot them, knife them and stomp them into the dust, but until you deal with their grievances, you will never overcome them.

deal with their greviences!!!!!!!!!

what exactly are the greviences of these terrorists???????

"oh lets all sit down and talk about it,can we get this guy some counselling please he seems a little angry"

"Why you angry sir?"

"Dam Americans"

"very good,now we understand your problem,what are you going to do to sovle your problems"

"kill kill kill every lask muthaf@cking one of emmm>>>hahahahahaha"

hate for the west and its values is breed into these people.they are born with it ,educated with it, and us it.

HATE..HATE...HATE..

ASK YOUR AVERAGE TERRORIST WHY THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING......."I HATE THE WEST"

bet ya none of them can explain why or what reason.

cos the majority are cannon fodder.stupid,uneducated.sheep.

trained to do one thing and that is die for their god.

but now im ranting on.

please take the above lightly.

Where is this coming from?  Well, 99 & 99/100% of the world's terrorists practice the Islam religion.  Just a fact of life in the 21st Century.

Also seems like 99% of all the f**** conflicts are involving the amer*** f*** govt!!!

Discrepancies between rhetoric and reality. US commitments to its major wars in the last hundred years.

http://wwwsoc.nii.ac.jp/jaas/periodicals/J...1/No.12-015.pdf

I have no time to waste on moral weaklings who parrot pseuo-intellectual communist claptrap!

I rest my case.

You have no case to rest, dimbulb!

You pseudo-intellectual apologists for radical Islamic murderers make me want to puke ... not because you're so weak-gutted, but because you're so weak-minded!

If you think for one moment that America withdrawing every soldier from Iraq tomorrow will slow down bombings and atrocities against innocent civilians by the divers Islamic radical groups around the world even slightly then your brain is even more addled than your communist sympathies indicate.

Osama Bin Laden's lunatic followers have been launching terror strikes against moderate Islamic regimes (regimes they consider "apostate") for more than fifteen years ... since long before the US put troops into Afghanistan or Iraq.

Abubakar Bashir and his wannabe Al Qaeda copycat Jemaah Islamiyah were launching terror strikes against the (moderate) Islamic government of Indonesia long before Australia put troops into East Timor.

It's never been about the USA, or Australia, or England, or any other non-Islamic nation vs Islam!

It's always been about Radical Islam vs Moderate Islam!

I have no time to waste on moral weaklings who parrot pseuo-intellectual communist claptrap!

I rest my case.

Don't rest now - we're just getting going! Let's take one example at a time. How do you justify the slaughter of 350 innocent kids in Russia at the hands of demented so-called "Black Widows"?

Only someone with a utopian view of the world could say the killings were justified since their husbands had been killed. All the Ivory Tower pseudo-intelluctuals living in their comfortable cocoons in every university should get out and have to deal with the real world.

The real problem is the democratic dialogue itself, or lack of — unknown in the Arab Middle East and much of the Islamic world, and a hindrance to both sharia and the pan-Arabist thug with epaulettes and sunglasses. Yet consensual government alone is the key to ending failed statist economies, gender apartheid, religious intolerance, state-controlled media, and tribalism. It alone might stop the self-induced misery and with it the tedious scapegoating of "the Jews and America".

Get a grip...& get outa that ivory tower...

But BoonMee, it's simply not about justification this or justification that. It's not about eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and all that medieval bullshit Bush and his propaganda artists are toting.

It's about opening up your mind. It's about seeing that these evil terrorists are the tip of the iceberg of inequality which needs to be solved. I do not justify, as in fact do very few of us, but to a degree I can understand. Do you understand why it happens??????

Do you think they are spurred by Satan or something? Can you not see the forces at work behind this, and how the US's blatant refusal to critically review it's own actions and policies aggravate the whole situation.

How do we stop the terrorists from killing innocent people? BY WORKING TO STOP THE EXPLOITATION OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. The numbers of terrorists will return to a manageable level, whereas gungho pointless operations and bombings of the Middle East only serve to create more terrorists. Can you please note that I do not justify the actions of the terrorists, but see them as a symptoms of a deeper conflict. The more you refuse to listen to the backside of your ideology, the more such people will start to appear. You create them.

You are right that their ideology is totally warped and scary beyond all belief, but that still doesn't entail that you should go out and kill their neighbours and sweep it under the carpet as "collateral damage", because by doing that, you are in fact becoming their mirror image. What is it then that separates you from them?

But BoonMee, it's simply not about justification this or justification that. It's not about eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and all that medieval bullshit Bush and his propaganda artists are toting.

It's about opening up your mind. It's about seeing that these evil terrorists are the tip of the iceberg of inequality which needs to be solved. I do not justify, as in fact do very few of us, but to a degree I can understand. Do you understand why it happens??????

Do you think they are spurred by Satan or something? Can you not see the forces at work behind this, and how the US's blatant refusal to critically review it's own actions and policies aggravate the whole situation.

How do we stop the terrorists from killing innocent people? BY WORKING TO STOP THE EXPLOITATION OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. The numbers of terrorists will return to a manageable level, whereas gungho pointless operations and bombings of the Middle East only serve to create more terrorists. Can you please note that I do not justify the actions of the terrorists, but see them as a symptoms of a deeper conflict. The more you refuse to listen to the backside of your ideology, the more such people will start to appear. You create them.

You are right that their ideology is totally warped and scary beyond all belief, but that still doesn't entail that you should go out and kill their neighbours and sweep it under the carpet as "collateral damage", because by doing that, you are in fact becoming their mirror image. What is it then that separates you from them?

M. Thank you for that post.

I am afraid however that none of us will ever break through to shine even a chink of light or understanding into such blinkered, closed minds. They are incapable of comprehending anything other than their, and bush's Black or White / Good or Evil version of the Universe. Shades of grey or colours are far beyond their intelectual capacity to cognise.

I wash my hands of this type of thread.

Where Ignorance Isn’t Bliss

A blinkered, closed mind is exactly what the liberal appeasment artists are suffering from. We cannot understand the world without the study and understanding of real history and real politics and beliefs. A supposedly educated or academic output that misses this is unreal. The specialists, or theoreticians, who have no such background are, in effect, uneducated, and much more academic attention should go to general realities. Academics and the amateurs (PiP) writing here need a good deal of reeducation. Not that they are uninstructed, but that they were instructed in often-sophisticated theory and formula, rather than in the empirical realities. "Realpolitic" - sounds like the answer? Maybe in the ivory tower world. But we need more history, and better history. We need less formula, and less anti-Americanism.

Much of the Islamic Middle East continues to blame others for its own induced catastrophe, apparently unaware — thanks to the lever of oil it didn't discover, doesn't know how to develop, and uses to intensify rather than alleviate its poverty — that its entire culture is becoming an international pariah. Islamic young men on European flights are looked at with distrust; they are not welcome in Russia. China wants none of them. They are wary of visiting India. Australia learned from Bali. The whole world is watching — in disgust.

In short, the suicide bomber, the improvised explosive device, the car bomb, the televised beheading, the wacko fatwa, the sleazy propaganda streamer on the Internet, the new cult of death — all cowardly and lethal phenomena — these are now the innovations that the world associates with the Middle East in lieu of gene research, car production, or computer breakthroughs. If you look for gender equity in the Middle East, you won't find it in Arab Olympic delegations, Saudi schools, or the Iranian government, but in the opportunity for young women to blow themselves up right beside men. Indeed, killing infidels is the nascent women's-liberation movement of the radical Muslim world.

There is a problem here that makes the struggle more than just a war against the "terror" of newfound stealthy cells. Libya came clean not out of principle but out of fear. Saudi Arabia is not quite the Saudi Arabia of September 11, thanks to American pressure. There is a reason Dr. Khan was exposed and Pakistan is suddenly doing more to harm than help al Qaeda. The cause of all of this ongoing change is not fear of a windsurfing John Kerry as the next president threatening a more "sensitive" war.

Wish there could be a easy way to end this all, but I'm afraid these nutters are only out for one thing.....

Entire Radical Muslim World

Only way to stop them is to eliminate every one of those bastards and throw in their families as well. (extreme yes- but necessary)

Wish there could be a easy way to end this all, but I'm afraid these nutters are only out for one thing.....

Entire Radical Muslim World

Only way to stop them is to eliminate every one of those bastards and throw in their families as well. (extreme yes- but necessary)

Thank you for proving my point. Do you think the aspiring Muslim radical thinks any differently?

For me, the basic principle stands. You want to stay clear of killing and exploiting innocent people. When you kill the family of a terrorist, his neighbours will see this unjust action and become easy targets for the propaganda mullahs.

Where Ignorance Isn’t Bliss

A blinkered, closed mind is exactly what the liberal appeasment artists are suffering from. We cannot understand the world without the study and understanding of real history and real politics and beliefs. A supposedly educated or academic output that misses this is unreal. The specialists, or theoreticians, who have no such background are, in effect, uneducated, and much more academic attention should go to general realities. Academics and the amateurs (PiP) writing here need a good deal of reeducation. Not that they are uninstructed, but that they were instructed in often-sophisticated theory and formula, rather than in the empirical realities. "Realpolitic" - sounds like the answer? Maybe in the ivory tower perhaps. But we need more history, and better history. We need less formula, and less anti-Americanism.

Much of the Islamic Middle East continues to blame others for its own induced catastrophe, apparently unaware — thanks to the lever of oil it didn't discover, doesn't know how to develop, and uses to intensify rather than alleviate its poverty — that its entire culture is becoming an international pariah. Islamic young men on European flights are looked at with distrust; they are not welcome in Russia. China wants none of them. They are wary of visiting India. Australia learned from Bali. The whole world is watching — in disgust.

In short, the suicide bomber, the improvised explosive device, the car bomb, the televised beheading, the wacko fatwa, the sleazy propaganda streamer on the Internet, the new cult of death — all cowardly and lethal phenomena — these are now the innovations that the world associates with the Middle East in lieu of gene research, car production, or computer breakthroughs. If you look for gender equity in the Middle East, you won't find it in Arab Olympic delegations, Saudi schools, or the Iranian government, but in the opportunity for young women to blow themselves up right beside men. Indeed, killing infidels is the nascent women's-liberation movement of the radical Muslim world.

There is a problem here that makes our struggle more than just a war against the "terror" of newfound stealthy cells. Libya came clean not out of principle but out of fear. Saudi Arabia is not quite the Saudi Arabia of September 11, thanks to American pressure. There is a reason Dr. Khan was exposed and Pakistan is suddenly doing more to harm than help al Qaeda. The cause of all of this ongoing change is not fear of a windsurfing John Kerry as the next president threatening a more "sensitive" war.

Well, that's a good effort of a post, I'll certainly give you that. You accuse p1p of being misinformed and indoctrinated. Are we not all indoctrinated to a certain extent, you yourself included? There is no such thing as truly objective information.

My gut certainly does not feel more trust when I hear old GW's shallow rhetorics than when I see a speech by a man in sheik's clothes who supports the terrorists. "Dishonest" and "biased" is the clear message they both send out to me.

Why is your take on politics more "real" than anybody else's, pray tell?

Prove your point? Well I'm happy to oblige.

Let's see- can't negotiate with these lot, can't let them run free, so the option is clear- eliminate them.

If you can honestly give a better solution then let me hear....

Meadish~

If my take on politics is any more "real" maybe it's because I'm fortunate to not be a product of the British upper class Public school system.

But, I'm objective as he11 when it comes to the terror situation. Platitudes to the Islamofascists won't get the job done.

Dubya's shallow rhetorics don't do much for me either but I take exception to your claim he's being dishonest.

You have to ask yourself though, what's the alternative? This candidate the Democratic Party put up is a joke.