Prove your point?  Well I'm happy to oblige.

Let's see- can't negotiate with these lot, can't let them run free, so the option is clear- eliminate them.

If you can honestly give a better solution then let me hear....

The nutters need to die, simple as that. They WANT death so give it to them rather than wait for them to take X number of people with them.

Dear Dorothy Parker had it right when she said "You can take a whore to culture, but you can’t make her think."

Some people can never cognise.

It appears that two Australians may have been taken hostage by some obscure Iraqi lunatic terrorist group and are under threat of being murdered if Australia does not immediately withdraw its troops from Iraq.

Egypt's highest ranking Muslim cleric and leader of the Sunni Muslim world, Grand Sheikh Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, told the kidnappers on Egyptian television yesterday,"You are taking Islam as a cover, and it is a deceptive cover! Those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims!"

George W Bush, John Howard, and other Western leaders need to place more emphasis on the fact that the enemy is not Islam per se but Radical Islam ... and they need to actively recruit mainstream Islamic leaders like Sheikh Tantawi to stand beside them and speak out against the lunatic elements within their own religion.

It's not just Islamic leaders who are speaking out against terrorism ... a talkback program on Jakarta MetroTV was inundated yesterday with messages from everyday Indonesians calling on their brothers and sisters to condemn the perpetrators of the bombing which killed 11 Muslims in the street outside the Australian Embassy in Jakarta last week ... their voices well and truly drowning out Bashir's pathetic "Don't pretend you are attacking terrorism when you are attacking Islam" wail from his prison cell.

The Jihad is turning against those who launched it!

The final "human" cost of the Jakarta bombing ................

All of the 11 killed were Muslims ... policemen and security guards on duty and gardeners working in the grounds of the Australian Embassy.

The 3 who remain in critical condition are Muslims.

Of the 186 others who were injured and required hospitalization, 8 are employees of the nearby Chinese Embassy. The remainder are Muslims ... mostly pedestrians going about their business in the street near the Australian Embassy at the time of the explosion.

Al Qaeda and its sock-puppet Jemaah Islamiyah really stepped on their dicks big time with this one. Their well-planned attack on "The Son of The Great Satan" caused zero loss of non-Muslim life and practically zero injury to non-Muslims. All the lunatics did was murder and maim a couple of hundred innocent followers of their own Islamic faith.

Nothing can ease the pain of the victims and their families, but let's hope "political correctness" doesn't prevent the use of that pain to show the world just how callous and unfeeling these Radical Islamic extremists are towards their own brothers and sisters. As Sheikh Tantawi said yesterday ... they're not Muslims, they're criminals!

Speaking of "political correctness" ... the persistent antics of the Australian Government to ram Manny Musa up my nose as the "legally Australian" illegitimate daughter of an Australian policeman make me want to puke! I don't give a rat's arse whether she's Australian or Indonesian ... she's a five-year-old kid, for <deleted>'s sake! Leave it at that, and quit trying to make political mileage out of her injuries!

The Jihad is turning against those who launched it!

Dont the Radical Muslims realize this?? Sooner or later your gonna piss off too many countrys News reports over here in the US Radio Reports they were said that one islamic group I don't know who denounced the terror attacks in jarkarta and russia Maybe these groups that have a clear mind can change the radical islamists mind??

The final "human" cost of the Jakarta bombing ................

All of the 11 killed were Muslims ... policemen and security guards on duty and gardeners working in the grounds of the Australian Embassy.

The 3 who remain in critical condition are Muslims.

Of the 186 others who were injured and required hospitalization, 8 are employees of the nearby Chinese Embassy. The remainder are Muslims ... mostly pedestrians going about their business in the street near the Australian Embassy at the time of the explosion.

Al Qaeda and its sock-puppet Jemaah Islamiyah really stepped on their dicks big time with this one. Their well-planned attack on "The Son of The Great Satan" caused zero loss of non-Muslim life and practically zero injury to non-Muslims. All the lunatics did was murder and maim a couple of hundred innocent followers of their own Islamic faith.

Nothing can ease the pain of the victims and their families, but let's hope "political correctness" doesn't prevent the use of that pain to show the world just how callous and unfeeling these Radical Islamic extremists are towards their own brothers and sisters. As Sheikh Tantawi said yesterday ... they're not Muslims, they're criminals!

Speaking of "political correctness" ... the persistent antics of the Australian Government to ram Manny Musa up my nose as the "legally Australian" illegitimate daughter of an Australian policeman make me want to puke! I don't give a rat's arse whether she's Australian or Indonesian ... she's a five-year-old kid, for <deleted>'s sake! Leave it at that, and quit trying to make political mileage out of her injuries!

He11 Rod, you've made me fall off the wagon. I had fully intended not to post here again. Your two well considered posts above, plus your

As a former bad mother######er who for the past thirty years has tried to follow the teachings of the Lord Buddha

in the ghosts thread have undone me.

Sensible people would now be working out how to capitalise on the bad feeling against the jihadists caused by their bombing blunder.

Unfortunately, neoconservatives will be looking for more bomb targets, which may once again turn moderates into new fanatical jihadists.

Let’s hope they have the capability to think, and learn.

"Let’s hope they have the capability to think, and learn"

...that's the operative term for the terrorists.

The Koran urges believers to kill unbelievers, torment and torture them. While the book still has these passages within it the nutters will be able to quote them to justify their actions. First port of call is for Muslims to sort out their religion.

Dunno why people can't take this on board, I've said it several times.

Islamic hate message

The Koran urges believers to kill unbelievers, torment and torture them. While the book still has these passages within it the nutters will be able to quote them to justify their actions. First port of call is for Muslims to sort out their religion.

Obviously the ultimate solution is to kill all Muslims ... but of course we would then have to kill all Jews, Christians, Hindus, Mormons, and Buddhists who followed the "wrong" Buddha ... then we could start killing people who let their dogs shit on the beach ... people with slanted eyes ... people who wear spectacles. Aaaaahhhhh, <deleted> it! Why don't we just kill everyone except you and me ? Trust me ... I won't kill you!

The Koran urges believers to kill unbelievers, torment and torture them. While the book still has these passages within it the nutters will be able to quote them to justify their actions. First port of call is for Muslims to sort out their religion.

Dunno why people can't take this on board, I've said it several times.

Islamic hate message

so if this is true, why aren't all the muslims in the world actively attempting to kill people?

The Koran urges believers to kill unbelievers, torment and torture them. While the book still has these passages within it the nutters will be able to quote them to justify their actions. First port of call is for Muslims to sort out their religion.

Dunno why people can't take this on board, I've said it several times.

Islamic hate message

so if this is true, why aren't all the muslims in the world actively attempting to kill people?

All the nutters ARE, or haven't you noticed?

The Koran urges believers to kill unbelievers, torment and torture them. While the book still has these passages within it the nutters will be able to quote them to justify their actions. First port of call is for Muslims to sort out their religion.

Dunno why people can't take this on board, I've said it several times.

Islamic hate message

absolute lies! reread it or read it for the first time - it DOES NOT say that at all

The Jihad is turning against those who launched it!

Dont the Radical Muslims realize this?? Sooner or later your gonna piss off too many countrys News reports over here in the US Radio Reports they were said that one islamic group I don't know who denounced the terror attacks in jarkarta and russia Maybe these groups that have a clear mind can change the radical islamists mind??

The USA has pissed off more countries than any Muslim has - open your window and smell the roses. The UN didnt back you and your coallition is falling apart - you are really on your own. "US Radio Reports" - well that would have to be the truth then

Iraq did not have anything to do with Iraq, so put yourself in their shoes.

If a country started landing on your shore and bombed the ###### out of your country and you only had old weapons, sticks and stones, how would you feel?, what would you do? answer - anything you can!

The majority of the world do not support Bush and day by day the USA is being more hated.

Bali and Jakarta is a different situation - yes they are killing because they are terrorists.

Bali & Jakarta are different situations? How so? Because they are closer to Australia than the Twin Towers? Your logic is flawed here, Gent. Saddam Hussein harbored terrorists from Al Queda - that's been proven time and again. To say Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 is like saying all the rich yuppies who went to Bali, got blown up in the nightclub bombing had nothing to do with the Islamofascists rage against the west.

It's one thing to go into a war unprepared and fully underestimating your enemy, but it's another thing to be headlong into it with your allies divided and your enemies united. He is ignoring a classic war strategy to unite your allies and divide your enemies.

Well, for those of you who think that we are either incompetent or disingenuous in Iraq, look at Kurdistan, where seven million people live under humane government with less than 300 American troops. How did that happen? The people of Kurdistan are Islamic, often quarrelsome folks — in the heart of the Middle East — now residing in relative safety and autonomy, and expressing good will toward the United States. They accept that we don't want Kurdish oil any more than we want to take over the sands and slums of the Sunni Triangle. So the problem in central Iraq is not us, but rather the fact that unlike Kurdistan — which had a decade of transition toward consensual society thanks to Anglo-American pilots — the country is reeling from 30 years of autocracy, in which Islamic fascism offered an alternative of sorts to an ossified Soviet-style dictatorship. It took many years after Germany & Japan were defeated to stabilize those countries - let's have a little "ooat thaan" here.

The Koran urges believers to kill unbelievers, torment and torture them. While the book still has these passages within it the nutters will be able to quote them to justify their actions. First port of call is for Muslims to sort out their religion.

Dunno why people can't take this on board, I've said it several times.

Islamic hate message

absolute lies! reread it or read it for the first time - it DOES NOT say that at all

"Those who do not agree with our way of believing, kill them, wherever you find them, cut off their heads, with heavy fetters, throw them into blazing fires; pour boiling water upon their heads, melting their skins."

Right...well, how about this moral question. Take September 11 away and the United States would never — despite the conspiracists' theories of pre-9/11 mediation — have gone into either Afghanistan or Iraq. Both reactive military campaigns were waged humanely to minimize civilian casualties, always at risk to American military lives. The defeated were odious; their oppressed deserved to have been freed, and their nations returned from the graveyard to the family of nations.

Bali & Jakarta are different situations? How so? Because they are closer to Australia than the Twin Towers? Your logic is flawed here, Gent. Saddam Hussein harbored terrorists from Al Queda - that's been proven time and again. To say Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 is like saying all the rich yuppies who went to Bali, got blown up in the nightclub bombing had nothing to do with the Islamofascists rage against the west.

My logic is flawed?

Iraq did not bomb the WTC, there are many cells of Al Queda throughout the world according to the good ole US of A , so why Iraq?

Indonesia is different as they are killing people in their own country and have a hard on for Australia because we were stupid enough to follow uncle sam into a war for oil.

two totally different points and very easy to follow.

BTW - New study shows correlation between decline of IQ and rise of GOP

By: Will Durst.

"Stupid people love Bush" new study proves According to the prestigious Southern California think tank, The Gluton Group, stupid people prefer President George W Bush over Senator John Kerry by a 4-to-1 margin. As Chief Resident Dr. Louis Friend characterized the results of the research, "the less intelligent you are, the more you like Bush." This landmark study, conducted over a 5 month period, involved 2400 likely voters bridging all economic stratas in the 17 states generally considered up for grabs on November 2nd. Participants were tested for intelligence, then asked to fill out a 12 page series of questions involving the Presidential candidates with results released earlier this week.

The consensus: the higher the IQ, the less people trust Bush and respect the job his administration has done. The lower the IQ, the more people admire his steadfastness. "It was pretty much a slam dunk. There's no nice way to say this. Dumb people like him. They think his unwavering nature is a positive personality trait. They even venerate him for never admitting mistakes, even when he's wrong. On the other hand, smart people think he's a lying bully. I mean, c'mon, you have a deserter accusing a decorated veteran of treason. Who's going to buy that besides stupid people?"

Preliminary results:

IQ Above 140: Kerry 80%, Bush 20%.

120-140: Kerry 65%, Bush 35%.

100-120: Kerry 54%, Bush 46%.

80-100: Bush 54%, Kerry 46%.

60-80: Bush 60%, Kerry 15%, Dale Earnhardt Jr. 25%.

AP reports: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead .

The Tawhid and Jihad group, headed by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, posted a Web statement claiming responsibility for Tuesday's car bombing. The al-Qaida-linked group launched a surprise assault in Baghdad on Sunday, killing dozens, and boasted it had the upper hand in the fight against the Americans.

Don't believe everything you read, Tornado/Gent!

Don't believe everything you read, Tornado/Gent!

Goes for you too. Let's hear what the real story was about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Oh, I forgot, poor little George and his supersmart administration were TRICKED by nasty Irani intelligence officers... right!

"Stupid people love Bush" new study proves According to the prestigious Southern California think tank, The Gluton Group, stupid people prefer President George W Bush over Senator John Kerry by a 4-to-1 margin.

This is very discouraging news indeed. If these figures are correct, then GWB is sure to get elected. There are far more stupid people of voting age in America than intelligent people.

If you are at all interested in a "story" regarding the planning of 911, you must click on the link. It is a transcript from a national radio broadcast, that will leave you wondering. The man is far from a Kook!

Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole ® and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information out to people.

Government Insider Says Bush Authorized 911 Attacks

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=2377

Stanley Hilton still thinks I started the Vietnam war!

Stanley Hilton still thinks I started the Vietnam war!

Last time I heard, he was denying that. Said you definitely did not start it, simply caused it.

Stanley Hilton still thinks I started the Vietnam war!

well I dont know about that!

He seems to be armed with evidence, I would like to see it go to court. I think every avenue should be explored as something is definately not right.

The majority of the planet seems to think Bush had something to do with it, so why are the Bushites so scared about making it public?? It can only clear him or prove he is guilty. I know what my money would be on.

I am guessing you did not read the link Rod, it is quite impressive and he seems to have proof, let it be heard!

If that link did not do it for you, this one might!

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=2379

Can't believe I wasted my time reading that rubbish- obviously someone has too much time on their hands.

Not as entertaining as the video presentation claiming the pentagon was never hit by a plane.

He seems to be armed with evidence, I would like to see it go to court. I think every avenue should be explored as something is definately not right.

If he has the evidence then I would also like to see it go to court.

I'm no stranger to Alex Jones and his infowars.com website, btw. He's kinda like Nostradamus ... everything falls neatly into place in hindsight, provided you twist the pieces of the puzzle into the right shape.

Don't believe everything you read, Tornado/Gent!

Goes for you too. Let's hear what the real story was about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Oh, I forgot, poor little George and his supersmart administration were TRICKED by nasty Irani intelligence officers... right!

WMD's (weapons of mass hysteria) abound here, that's for sure.

There were four unique factors in the calculus involving Saddam Hussein and his so-called weapons of mass destruction: (1) Saddam Hussein had petrodollars to buy such strategic weapons; (2) He had acquired and stockpiled such arms and used them in war against Iran and in peace against his own people; (3) He had a long history of aggression against the United States — from Gulf War I to trying to assassinate an American president; and (4) His Baathist police state had a systematic policy of hiding such weapons, from both the United States postwar intelligence gatherers and the U.N. inspectors.

Therefore as long as Saddam Hussein was in power it didn't matter what the professed status of his chemical and biological arsenal was at any particular time, since our only certain knowledge was that he had a proven desire and ability to purchase, recreate, and use them on any given day — and that day would be mostly unknown to everyone outside of Iraq.

"The majority of the planet seems to think Bush had something to do with it"

Source?