Are You Naive?

[hans1977]

Hi,

I just latched to this for a while, and realized the amount of untrue information that i have to deal with. It might sometimes be straight forward lies, but more commonly the cause seams to be lack of abilities at the source.

What are your experiences about untrue (or misleading) information here?

/Hans

[bkkjames]

Hi,

I just latched to this for a while, and realized the amount of untrue information that i have to deal with. It might sometimes be straight forward lies, but more commonly the cause seams to be lack of abilities at the source.

What are your experiences about untrue (or misleading) information here?

/Hans

you mean on TV? everything written on this forum is 100% truth from what I can tell.

[tipsy]

Are You Naive?, Do you believe the information you get through your day?

No

[Moonrakers]

I used to be quite naive, but with experience I have learned to take most things with a pinch of salt.

*Edit* I know alot of people who are just plain gullible, as opposed to naive.

Edited July 9, 2008 by globalj

[hans1977]

I meant from anywhere.

I think TV is very good because i've found that i can believe everything here, straight a way, down to the very last little detail.

/Hans

Hi,

I just latched to this for a while, and realized the amount of untrue information that i have to deal with. It might sometimes be straight forward lies, but more commonly the cause seams to be lack of abilities at the source.

What are your experiences about untrue (or misleading) information here?

/Hans

you mean on TV? everything written on this forum is 100% truth from what I can tell.

[hans1977]

The actual difference between plain gullible and naive is not clear to me. It would be interesting if you could give an example to show the difference.

/Hans

I used to be quite naive, but with experience I have learned to take most things with a pinch of salt.

*Edit* I know alot of people who are just plain gullible, as opposed to naive.

[bkkjames]

I meant from anywhere.

I think TV is very good because i've found that i can believe everything here, straight a way, down to the very last little detail.

/Hans

Hi,

I just latched to this for a while, and realized the amount of untrue information that i have to deal with. It might sometimes be straight forward lies, but more commonly the cause seams to be lack of abilities at the source.

What are your experiences about untrue (or misleading) information here?

/Hans

you mean on TV? everything written on this forum is 100% truth from what I can tell.

Are you now being sarcastic or just naive?

[Crossy]

The actual difference between plain gullible and naive is not clear to me. It would be interesting if you could give an example to show the difference.

They're pretty similar as defined here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible and here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/naive

I would suggest that "naive" would apply to someone who has not yet gained worldly wisdom, probably as a result of being young. Whereas "gullible" would apply to someone who really ought to have gained such wisdom and has failed, such as an older person making the mistakes of a younger one.

Or something like that

[Moonrakers]

The actual difference between plain gullible and naive is not clear to me. It would be interesting if you could give an example to show the difference.

/Hans

I used to be quite naive, but with experience I have learned to take most things with a pinch of salt.

*Edit* I know alot of people who are just plain gullible, as opposed to naive.

I can't think of any examples, but I think that naive people are that way due to inexperience, whereas gullible people are that way for other reasons, perhaps stupidity?

[RakJungTorlae]

How do you get in to a sitcho to get misleading information? Is it business, personal, social? The media is always misleading. The law is misleading. Besides that I don’t get in to any situation to get misleading information. I study how to read body language so if they do something I feel they are lieing or hiding something Ill just walk always and forget about it.

I think people on T-V don’t lie thou just more of over exaggeration in some cases but who really knows.

[hans1977]

Interesting. I have got new ideas on how to proceed with my observations with this definition in mind.

/Hans

The actual difference between plain gullible and naive is not clear to me. It would be interesting if you could give an example to show the difference.

/Hans

I used to be quite naive, but with experience I have learned to take most things with a pinch of salt.

*Edit* I know alot of people who are just plain gullible, as opposed to naive.

I can't think of any examples, but I think that naive people are that way due to inexperience, whereas gullible people are that way for other reasons, perhaps stupidity?

[Gary A]

Being a cynic has served me well here in the Land Of Smiles.

[hans1977]

Well, i think the Thai language itself is designed in away that makes information ambiguous (or misleading) here, and the culture also seams to contribute. As far as i know the language highly effect how people think, so it can be difficult even if they speak English.

I think it's serious enough if the law and the media are misleading, but i can suggest you to ask the Thais for directions when you are on the road or how to use a product that you think you ought to use.

I don't suffer much from untrue (or misleading) information, but think t it wastes my time and gets boring in the long term.

/Hans

How do you get in to a sitcho to get misleading information? Is it business, personal, social? The media is always misleading. The law is misleading. Besides that I don't get in to any situation to get misleading information. I study how to read body language so if they do something I feel they are lieing or hiding something Ill just walk always and forget about it.

I think people on T-V don't lie thou just more of over exaggeration in some cases but who really knows.

[a2396]

I don't believe much of what people tell me, unless I can verify it myself. That applies to anywhere in the world, particularly matters of importance to me.

[TheDon]

I couldnt care less if nobody believes me, I mean who are you to me?

[GuestHouse]

Well, i think the Thai language itself is designed in away that makes information ambiguous (or misleading) here, and the culture also seams to contribute.

If you take the trouble to learn enough Thai you'll come to realize just how naive that statement is.

[toptuan]

I only believe Fox Network News

[TheDon]

I believe everything that comes out of GW Bush's mouth

[bkkjames]

Well, i think the Thai language itself is designed in away that makes information ambiguous (or misleading) here, and the culture also seams to contribute.

If you take the trouble to learn enough Thai you'll come to realize just how naive that statement is.

I think what he might be getting at is that Thais will generally only tell you something if you ask.

For example.

John says, "Will the courier come pick up the package today?"

Khun Pui replies "Yes"

In this context neither is wrong but I believe John was hoping for an answer more like "Yes, the courier will come at 2 pm today".

While its natural for farangs to automatically provide an answer similar to the second one, its not natural for Thais to do so IMO when talking to a farang.

[pop_corn]

I don't most of the times.

[h90]

Hi,

I just latched to this for a while, and realized the amount of untrue information that i have to deal with. It might sometimes be straight forward lies, but more commonly the cause seams to be lack of abilities at the source.

What are your experiences about untrue (or misleading) information here?

/Hans

Yes Hansi......half the day I get complete BS informations.

The worst thing is not that it is mostly untrue, the big problem is that some things are sometimes true, but how to find these gems.....

[hans1977]

I don't think so, and i have actually seen native Thai people having misunderstanding due to this. But anyway, i don't think you know enough information about me to determine whether i'm naive or not.

For example i think you don't know on what grounds i have based my assumptions, and i can not see how you could know anything about my abilities to communicate in Thai either.

/Hans

Well, i think the Thai language itself is designed in away that makes information ambiguous (or misleading) here, and the culture also seams to contribute.

If you take the trouble to learn enough Thai you'll come to realize just how naive that statement is.

[Marvo]

The actual difference between plain gullible and naive is not clear to me. It would be interesting if you could give an example to show the difference.

They're pretty similar as defined here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible and here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/naive

I would suggest that "naive" would apply to someone who has not yet gained worldly wisdom, probably as a result of being young. Whereas "gullible" would apply to someone who really ought to have gained such wisdom and has failed, such as an older person making the mistakes of a younger one.

Or something like that

Nice explanation Crossy, as always.

BTW, I checked at http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible and the word gullible seems to be missing from the dictionary .

[feffejonsson]

Truth is relative. Karl Marx claimed that the truth is just a modified lie.

[enyaw]

The actual difference between plain gullible and naive is not clear to me. It would be interesting if you could give an example to show the difference.

They're pretty similar as defined here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible and here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/naive

I would suggest that "naive" would apply to someone who has not yet gained worldly wisdom, probably as a result of being young. Whereas "gullible" would apply to someone who really ought to have gained such wisdom and has failed, such as an older person making the mistakes of a younger one.

Or something like that

Nice explanation Crossy, as always.

BTW, I checked at http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible and the word gullible seems to be missing from the dictionary .

This is true, the word gullible as been removed from the dictionary.. or at least that is what I was told.

[MarkBKK]

I don't believe much of what people tell me ...

I don't believe you ...

[JetsetBkk]

The actual difference between plain gullible and naive is not clear to me. It would be interesting if you could give an example to show the difference.

They're pretty similar as defined here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible and here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/naive

I would suggest that "naive" would apply to someone who has not yet gained worldly wisdom, probably as a result of being young. Whereas "gullible" would apply to someone who really ought to have gained such wisdom and has failed, such as an older person making the mistakes of a younger one.

Or something like that

Nice explanation Crossy, as always.

BTW, I checked at http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible and the word gullible seems to be missing from the dictionary .

The old ones are the best!

[Marvo]

The actual difference between plain gullible and naive is not clear to me. It would be interesting if you could give an example to show the difference.

They're pretty similar as defined here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible and here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/naive

I would suggest that "naive" would apply to someone who has not yet gained worldly wisdom, probably as a result of being young. Whereas "gullible" would apply to someone who really ought to have gained such wisdom and has failed, such as an older person making the mistakes of a younger one.

Or something like that

Nice explanation Crossy, as always.

BTW, I checked at http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible and the word gullible seems to be missing from the dictionary .

The old ones are the best!

Funny, that's what I tell the Mrs

[Patsycat]

I removed it to save my embarrassment or naivity.

Edited July 10, 2008 by Patsycat

[vagabond48]

BTW, I checked at http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible and the word gullible seems to be missing from the dictionary .

the language moderators haven't removed the word from merriam-webster yet.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gullible