Tax Id

[gemmamccarron]

I have lost my individual TAX ID......Basically the yellow card with my tax number....... i have been informed the revenue department will not issue a new number...... is there any way i can obtain my original number online or otherwise??

Thank u

[opalhort]

I have lost my individual TAX ID......Basically the yellow card with my tax number....... i have been informed the revenue department will not issue a new number...... is there any way i can obtain my original number online or otherwise??

Thank u

I had the same problem a couple of years ago.

If you know your tax number, or have a copy of the lost card, they will issue a new card with the same number at no cost.

I doubt it can be done online. A visit to the office which issued your card will probably be required.

opalhort

[ubonjoe]

Even if you don't have your tax ID number I would expect that they could do a name search in their system and find it.

[TCA]

Only slightly off topic but can someone enlighten me as to any duties imposed on the owner of a Thai tax id card?

i.e. is there a requirement to complete an annual return or anything else?

I ask as a relatively recent arrival to Thailand as it may well be beneficial for me to shift my tax status to here from the UK. Coming out of the UK tax system could take a few years however, because as I'm not working in Thailand, it's not so clean cut and so would be assessed over time.

A Thai tax id might help the UK tax authorities believe that I have indeed moved for a "settled purpose" (as per their requirements) but I don't want to confuse matters by having to declare income in Thailand if I end up being stuck in the UK tax system.

I believe anyone can just turn up at a tax office and a get a tax id card, so what, if any, are the ramifications of doing so? Am I suddenly obligated to declare income as if a permanent tax resident?

Thanks for any pointers.

[TCA]

Only slightly off topic but can someone enlighten me as to any duties imposed on the owner of a Thai tax id card?

i.e. is there a requirement to complete an annual return or anything else?

I ask as a relatively recent arrival to Thailand as it may well be beneficial for me to shift my tax status to here from the UK. Coming out of the UK tax system could take a few years however, because as I'm not working in Thailand, it's not so clean cut and so would be assessed over time.

A Thai tax id might help the UK tax authorities believe that I have indeed moved for a "settled purpose" (as per their requirements) but I don't want to confuse matters by having to declare income in Thailand if I end up being stuck in the UK tax system.

I believe anyone can just turn up at a tax office and a get a tax id card, so what, if any, are the ramifications of doing so? Am I suddenly obligated to declare income as if a permanent tax resident?

Thanks for any pointers.

Nobody?

Just a quick heads up please.

If I go to a tax office, get a tax id, then what's required.....?

[ubonjoe]

Getting a tax ID does not mean you have to pay tax. Check around website for revenue departemnet for more info.

Link: http://www.rd.go.th/publish/16399.0.html

[TCA]

Getting a tax ID does not mean you have to pay tax. Check around website for revenue departemnet for more info.

Link: http://www.rd.go.th/publish/16399.0.html

Thanks Joe. Just what I needed. My immediate question on requirement to file a return is answered below. Not sure what you mean about getting an ID and not having to pay tax, unless you mean making a small declaration up to the level of allowances. I'll keep digging:

A taxpayer has the following duties :

1. File tax returns and pay proper tax.
   
2. Register for tax identification number. A taxpayer must also notify the Revenue Department officers of any changes in his particular details
   
3. Provide relevant documents and accounts as the law requires. This includes receipt, profit and loss statement. Balance sheet, special account, etc.
   
4. Cooperate and assist the Revenue Department officers and provide additional documents or information when required as well as comply with the summon.
   
5. Pay tax as assessed by the Revenue Department officers on time. Should a taxpayer fail to pay a complete sum, the assessment officer has the right to seize, attach and sell that asset by auction even without a court decision. Cash raised from the transaction will be used to pay off tax arrears.
   
6. Non-compliance with tax law. Anyone who does not comply with the law will face civil and criminal action.
   

[ubonjoe]

It will just register you in their system is a better way to put it. I am not sure that it obligates you to pay taxes.

Thais have an ID number and that is their tax ID number. Do they all pay taxes?

[TCA]

OK. I'm with you. The locals don't get exactly get chased to complete tax returns. So I guess what I'm asking is, is this likely to be the same for a foreigner?

If you get a tax ID as a foreigner, is someone going to be chasing you from the word go to start completing returns or are you simply registered in the tax system and it's up to you from thereon in to complete returns for your own purposes?

[opalhort]

Once you have a Tax ID you are supposed to file returns (form Por Ngor Dor 91) every year by March 31. The Revenue department will mail the form to you every year around Nov./Dec.

If you do not receive the form then don't bother but if you get it and have no income just fill in 0 income and submit it.

Very easy at a local Revenue office and you comply with the law.

There is no difference between Thai and foreigners registered for tax.

opalhort

[TCA]

Thanks opalhort. Exactly what I wanted to find out.

[TerryLH]

"The Revenue department will mail the form to you every year around Nov./Dec."

I've never heard of that. If it's true, which I personally doubt, it's a huge waste of time and money.

Normally the way I've seen it done is that you get a statement from your employer showing your income and any deductions for social security or tax withholdings. I usually get that about the end of Jan or sometime in February. You take that to the tax office prior to the end of March and fill out the tax form (91).

I usually have someone at the tax office fill in the form for me. They have been very helpful about doing that.

Then you pay any tax you owe or fill in a form for a refund for anything over the liability you overpaid.

They'll give you a reciept that you use when immigration asks about taxes. If you haven't had to pay anything you'll get a receipt for 0.

If you have a tax number and don't have any income you don't have to file. In my experience, nobody will come looking for you.

[opalhort]

As for mailing the tax forms I can only speak from experience.

I first registered with the revenue department in 1984 and since then I've received the form 91 in the mail.

If you are an employee of a company they may mail it to your employer rather than to your home address.

All my relatives (Thai) receive the form by mail. Some don't bother to file it but most do.

Nobody will come after you if you don't file it if you don't have any income, but the law requires you to do the filing even with 0 income.

opalhort

[TerryLH]

Are you saying that they send you the form as a business , instead of as an individual tax payer?

My comments were as an individual working for someone. If anything was sent to me, I guess I've had a decade+ worth of 'lost in the mail'.

And did you really suggest (post 10) that if you don't get a form in the mail, don't bother to pay your taxes?

Or

Were you saying if you don't get it, and have no income, don't bother?

If you truly have no income, you don't have to file, whether or not you get a form in the mail.

[opalhort]

Are you saying that they send you the form as a business , instead of as an individual tax payer?

My comments were as an individual working for someone. If anything was sent to me, I guess I've had a decade+ worth of 'lost in the mail'.

And did you really suggest (post 10) that if you don't get a form in the mail, don't bother to pay your taxes?

Or

Were you saying if you don't get it, and have no income, don't bother?

If you truly have no income, you don't have to file, whether or not you get a form in the mail.

OK, let's try to clarify things. NOTE: I am talking about Revenue department offices in BKK only!

Since I registered in '84 I have always received the tax form at my home address since I did the registration on my own and not through an employer.

Yes there have been two or three times when I did not receive the form in the mail but I just went to the office, got a form there, and filed it on the spot.

What I was suggesting is that if you do not get the form in the mail AND DO NOT HAVE INCOME then don't bother about filing.

If you do have income then you'll have to file the returns regardless if you got the form in the mail or not!

Your last point:

"If you truly have no income, you don't have to file, whether or not you get a form in the mail"

is not not correct!

You have to file returns even if income is 0

Can't get into details but my family (all Thai) have experience in this regard; even had a visit from revenue officers once for failing to file returns because that particular year they had no income and thought filing was not needed.

opalhort