How Can Luug Krueng Get Thai Citizenship W/o Parent?

[LyceeIceCream]

Basically I am trying to find out how I can obtain Thai citizenship w/o having to ask my dad. He is very reluctant to apply for me, at first he said because of the backforce and possible drafting(good point but I have ways around that) and he said its unnecessary for me to have when I went back wit wifey a couple 4-5 months ago for a short 1 and a half trip. Look at all the perks, I don't have to wait in those long a*s lines in the airport at the temples, muay Thai stadiums pay Khorn Thai prices, no visa restriction, free to work as you please etc.. I am fully Thai speaking but because I do not posses a Thai ID/Citizenship half or most of the time I am treated like a foreigner in my family's land and to put it simply that sh*t is whack!!

I plan to go back with my girl around august and he seems still nonchalantly stubborn about applying to the embassy for it. My family are not hesitant to help at all but I would not even know where to ask them to start or where I myself should start. My girl says if I gotta go through her it can take years and is quite stressfull and is quite a slow process. Like I said wifey is pregnant for a month now and we have to take off in a bit back to BKK. Please read this and have compassion!!! It's his fault for being Thai!!! I deserve this!!! Anyhowz any kinda of help or advice about said topic would be greatly aprecciated...p's

[InterestedObserver]

What's recorded on your birth certificate in the way of your nationality and/or parents nationality. If one of your birth parents is/was Thai then you are Thai and you should be able to get a Thai ID card relatively easy.

[Mario2008]

You can get forms from the embassy or consular website, but it is important that your father co-operates in getting your Thai passport as he needs to provide some supporting documents.

As interestedobserver said, you are Thai if one of your parents was Thai at time of birth.

[LyceeIceCream]

What's recorded on your birth certificate in the way of your nationality and/or parents nationality. If one of your birth parents is/was Thai then you are Thai and you should be able to get a Thai ID card relatively easy.

My mom is american, as I said my dad is Thai but he is a bit difficult and I'm just trying to find out if their is a way I can get it myself. I have my birth certificate naming him my father so i can prove that with no difficulty. I am just trying to see if anybody knows away to go around asking the parent??? thanks for your replies though.

[TerryLH]

How old are you? If you're an adult you can probably get a passport yourself.

Contact a Thai Embassy or Consulate and ask what they need to get a passport.

[LyceeIceCream]

I am 22 years old. I just emailed the Thai embassy asking about that. So I guess I will have to wait and see what they say...

[Mario2008]

Have a look here: http://www.thaiembassyuk.org.uk/e_passport_en.html

(embasy in the UK< but same rules apply)

You will need to get a Thai Birth certificate first, if you didn't get one already.

[InterestedObserver]

Hold on, not so fast. Before the OP can get a Thai passport he first needs to establish is Thai citizenship by way of getting a Thai ID card. There is also the small matter of being in a blue house book, is he?

[Maestro]

When you apply for your Thai passport at a Thai embassy, ie outside Thailand, you do not need a Thai ID card because you cannot possible have such ID card, as it is issued only in Thailand.

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[Mario2008]

Yes, he can't provide an ID card and so needs a birth certificate and I believe they mean a Thai birth certificate. So first register the birth at the embassy and after that apply for the passport.

[TerryLH]

The embassy or consulate will give the OP a Thai birth certificate based on the UK, or wherever, one that he has.

ID card and house registration is not needed as he doesn't live in Thailand. That will come later, as will the little thing called conscription.

[Maestro]

But if he continues to live abroad, say at least until he is 32 years old or something like that, he never needs to put himself on a house registration in Thailand and get an ID card until he settles in Thailand and by that time he will be too old to be conscripted. Samran recently posted something to that effect.

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[InterestedObserver]

Is the OP saying that he never lived in Thailand, even as a child. Was he born in the US and lived there his entire life? He indicates that he is moving back to Bangkok, with his "wifey".

[LyceeIceCream]

WHat does "OP" mean?? I have never lived or worked in Thailand for years(months yes but it is considered visiting because I was not registered as citizen. )Yes, I think I will have to get my birth certificate translated to Thai and to get in the bluebook you need an address in Thailand which I can supply with no sweat. I do believe however you can obtain a Thai ID card outside of Thai but am not completely sure about that. My girl told me I just need to get my dad Thai ID number(thats all I really need from him in order to apply/obtain citizenship). Also I email the embassy(in Georgetown D.C.) last night late but have gotten nothing back from them as of yet.

[TerryLH]

OP = original poster

You don't need to get your birth certificate translated. The embassy or consulate will take care of that for you. When they give you the Thai birth certificate, you can apply for the Thai passport at the same time.

If your father is Thai, and it says that on your birth certificate, I believe you already have Thai citizenship. You just don't have a Thai passport. They'll tell you what documentation you'll need. There have been other posts about this subject. Take a look at posts by "Samran".

Do you understand what the word 'concription' represents in Thailand? Once you put your name on a house registration here you will be eligible to be drafted/conscripted into the Thai Army. Sorry, I see you posted you already have ways around that.

[LyceeIceCream]

OP = original poster

If your father is Thai, and it says that on your birth certificate, I believe you already have Thai citizenship. You just don't have a Thai passport. They'll tell you what documentation you'll need. There have been other posts about this subject. Take a look at posts by "Samran".

Do you understand what the word 'conscription' represents in Thailand? Once you put your name on a house registration here you will be eligible to be drafted/conscripted into the Thai Army. Sorry, I see you posted you already have ways around that.

I just took a look @ Samran's posts but most of them are about getting citizenship for Austrailians mostly with that living and working for 5 years thing, I would like to get it ASAP!. That would be a nice suprise to be a citizen already. I think I might try to give the embassy a call tomorrow or monday, the anticipation is really killing me. Without elaborating to much yes I can get out of it. Conscription? You talking about the mandatory military service most kids experience in school(Backforce) or future drafts/call ups. Yeah I completely understand. When I told my dad I could get around it he was like "No, we are not gonna do those corrupt things" hahaha but I don't have to pay a single cent, I am not bribing anyone unlike most of the wealthy families that pay their kids way out of the mandatory service..

[Bengtnil]

What's recorded on your birth certificate in the way of your nationality and/or parents nationality. If one of your birth parents is/was Thai then you are Thai and you should be able to get a Thai ID card relatively easy.

My mom is american, as I said my dad is Thai but he is a bit difficult and I'm just trying to find out if their is a way I can get it myself. I have my birth certificate naming him my father so i can prove that with no difficulty. I am just trying to see if anybody knows away to go around asking the parent??? thanks for your replies though.

Does your home country(where you have your citizenship) allow you to have two citizenships?

[Mario2008]

O has US nationality, which allows dual nationality.

[LyceeIceCream]

What's recorded on your birth certificate in the way of your nationality and/or parents nationality. If one of your birth parents is/was Thai then you are Thai and you should be able to get a Thai ID card relatively easy.

My mom is american, as I said my dad is Thai but he is a bit difficult and I'm just trying to find out if their is a way I can get it myself. I have my birth certificate naming him my father so i can prove that with no difficulty. I am just trying to see if anybody knows away to go around asking the parent??? thanks for your replies though.

Does your home country(where you have your citizenship) allow you to have two citizenships?

Yeah, Mario is right im American. I thought I remembered hearing something about problems stemming from dual citizenships but apparently that is not the case anymore. And Thanks to TerryLH for the suggestion(Look up Samran's posts) I found exactly what I was looking for. He says you bring your birth certificate to the embassy and they will do all the paperwork(or most) and you will recieve a Thai passport then when you get back to Thailand you have your name put in the bluebook and get you ID card. Thanks for the help everyone. I am currently trying to call the Thai embassy to confirm this. WISH ME LUCK!!!

[wileycoyote]

Good Luck,I'm sure the Thai Embassy will help

[noahvail]

Good Luck,I'm sure the Thai Embassy will help

Not to throw a spanner in the works, but read page 196 of this URL: http://www.opm.gov/EXTRA/INVESTIGATE/is-01.PDF which is from the Office of Personnel Management Investigative Division. It lists rules of citizenship and dual citizenship for every country. Page 193 is Thailand - and states that generally speaking, Thailand does not recognize dual citizenship. There are extenuating circumstances, but it appears that it's the mother who must be Thai if the parents were not married at the time of birth.

For your sake, I hope I'm reading this wrong. But it implies the need for further investigation. Try Isan Lawyers, a sponsor of ThaiVisa.

[Maestro]

I should think that Thailand’s Nationality Act has precedence over the information in a document posted on www.opm.gov, and quite a lot in that document is incorrect, ie contradicts the relevant clauses in the Nationality Act.

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[Mario2008]

I should think that Thailand's Nationality Act has precedence over the information in a document posted on www.opm.gov, and quite a lot in that document is incorrect, ie contradicts the relevant clauses in the Nationality Act.

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Maestro

I totaly agree with that. www.opm.gov has it wrong and contradicts the Thai Nationality Act.

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Link to Thai nationality act: http://chiangmai2.mofcom.gov.cn/aarticle/l...0705659203.html

[noahvail]

I should think that Thailand's Nationality Act has precedence over the information in a document posted on www.opm.gov, and quite a lot in that document is incorrect, ie contradicts the relevant clauses in the Nationality Act.

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Maestro

I totaly agree with that. www.opm.gov has it wrong and contradicts the Thai Nationality Act.

Edit:

Link to Thai nationality act: http://chiangmai2.mofcom.gov.cn/aarticle/l...0705659203.html

Sorry guys, I got it wrong. Thanks for jumping on it so quick! Best of luck to the OP.

[eek]

Good Luck,I'm sure the Thai Embassy will help

Not to throw a spanner in the works, but read page 196 of this URL: http://www.opm.gov/EXTRA/INVESTIGATE/is-01.PDF which is from the Office of Personnel Management Investigative Division. It lists rules of citizenship and dual citizenship for every country. Page 193 is Thailand - and states that generally speaking, Thailand does not recognize dual citizenship. There are extenuating circumstances, but it appears that it's the mother who must be Thai if the parents were not married at the time of birth.

For your sake, I hope I'm reading this wrong. But it implies the need for further investigation. Try Isan Lawyers, a sponsor of ThaiVisa.

Sorry to hijack this thread with this..but just a short question that came to mind after reading that: If an unwed female who is not Thai had a child with a Thai man (and his name on birth certificate), the child could not have dual-citizenship? (Actually now I have one more question too, sorry...). If a non-thai mother is unmarried is she and the child legally allowed to remain in Thailand?

[Mario2008]

If an unwed female who is not Thai had a child with a Thai man (and his name on birth certificate), the child could not have dual-citizenship? (Actually now I have one more question too, sorry...). If a non-thai mother is unmarried is she and the child legally allowed to remain in Thailand?

When unwed the father would need to legitimise the child, (state before the law that the child is his), before he is considered the father in a legal sense, and with that bestow Thai nationality on the child. In Thailand that is done by having the father register the birth at the amphur himself. (Not the hospital or somebody else naming him on the BC)

When the father legalises the child he/she would be Thai and the mother can get extensions of stay as the family member of a Thai national. (Some immigraiton offices seem to demand that the parent holds sole costudy over the child). The mother would then need to show an income of 40,000 a month or 400,000 in the bank.

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Thank you very much Mario!

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..and best of luck to you Lycee

[siamerican]

Can't say for sure abt US embassy procedure but I guess it may complicate matters if your dad has 0 involvement--ultimately they'd process you via MFA in Bkk and it will aparenty be less headaches them processing you being you were presumably born in US--less step, etc.

if you do the nationality proving process directly with central government in Thailand (via Nationality division of Royal Thai police) like I did and many others have done/are doing, your Thai parent would be necessary for interviews and DNA test--otherwise in certain circumstances i.e. parent deceased, surviving Thai blood uncle/aunt can substitute, though the DNA test for that is a little more expensive--was like 17,000 baht when I did it three years ago in the apointed government hospital.

If your Thai parent was established/connected in some upcountry municipality, its been reported of cutting the central process headaches (ie DNA) out and jumping straight to having the civil servant adding name to system by others--me not being one of them. Girls seem to have an easier time in these things. Parent directly representing/verifying you also seems to make big difference (my Thai parent was long deceased during my application, so made things more complicated).

Conscription is something handled with wherever your house registration will be, prerequisite for your Thai ID--prereq. for everything else in Thailand incl. passport. I entered the Thai system in Thailand after a long difficult process dizzying throughh the red tape net of US legalization / Thai bureaucracy. I was 22-23 when it finalized, and havent heard any draft/orders info yet, albeit my house reg. is upcountry at relatives address, though they would have said something by now had orders come. Then again, apparently, they don't send orders via mail anymore and require self reporting.

Not worried anymore since a major motor accident few months back impairing my left arm to shoot a gun, let alone hold a one or be considered military capable...So if it comes to it, they couldnt use me, knockin on wood (with my goo arm).

Good Luck!

[lukamar]

I just wrote a big post and the Black hole swallowed it up. so I'll shorten it.

I couldn't determining from your post if your GF was Thai. If she is then it wou8ld be to your benefit to have your child in the US, if that's where you live. I'll post a chart and you can check where you and the child stand when born.

We moved back to Canada just to have our child as it was easy for him to be a dual citizen. If you have the child in Thailand your country may have restrictions on him/her becoming a citizen. Now A days there are a lot of advantages to having dual citizenship.

http://www.thaicongenvancouver.org/index.p...view&id=111

[LyceeIceCream]

I got another question too! My dad actually got his (American)citizenship in like...2000-2004 not sure when. Does anyone know if you have to renounce your native country's citizenship in order to gain American Citizenship??