1 Yr Non-imm O Visa, To Live With Thai My 2 Children, Without Financial Requirement

[goodideabadiq]

I have Custody of my 2 Thai children from the Thai Ampur in Nan –

Can I get 1 year Non-Imm O Visa (renewable) - in or near Thailand, without showing financial requirement (400,000 in bank or 40,000/m income)?

I am 54 years old. The children are 12 & 8. They have lived with me since divorce from my Thai 3 years ago.

Now I am on a work permit, which expires in 2 weeks.

I need to sort out another visa.

Thanks everyone

[Jimjim]

Your best bet would be your home country or a place like Australia. Very hard to do near Thailand without showing money.

[Lite Beer]

It may be possible in Penang or KL. In Australia Perth would be favourite.

[goodideabadiq]

It may be possible in Penang or KL. In Australia Perth would be favourite.

Thanks Lite Beer...

If not, with Thai children custody, can I get single entry (3month) renewable non-imm O, (without showing 40,000/m or 400,000)?

...& keep going out-in? Or is the rule the same for single entry?

Can I do single entry in Cambodia or Laos.... or does it have to be Penang?

Or maybe go for triple entry Tourist (3x2months), then move to Non-Imm O again after Tourist visas are stopped?

any ideas welcome

cheers

[thomyum]

Have you spoken to immigration yet? I,m in a similar position.Have a 7yr old daughter and married.My visa also expires in 2 weeks.I was at the local immigration office a couple of days ago.

Last year i got a 1 yr extension based on having a thai child and didn,t have to show any proof of income, but they asked how i was managing to live hear. As i was teaching and have been living here for around 10 yr it pretty straight forward, just a lot of extra paper work for the immigration officer.

But this year they're asking for proof of income or money in bank.

Point is i believe this visa based on support of thai child is there for cases like yours where the children are living with you not the mother.

So if you can show immigration how you and your children are surving here on what ever money you have or can earn.It may be possible to extend your visa if you already are on a non imm visa.

Just my immpression based on my experience. I think i could renew my visa if iwas now separated andthe children were living with me.

When i was at the immigration the other day.They asked me why i don't get a visa through the school i work at. I said i don't want my visa tied to a school, as if you leave the school i think you have 10 days to sort out another one. They then asked which visa i would like to apply for

The one based on having a thai child

Q. Are you still living with your wife

A. yes

Q.Does your child live wth you

A. yes

anyway as soon as one says your still married and living together as a family you cannot claim a visa based support of thai child it is treated as a marriage visa

[Mario2008]

You will need 40,000 a month or 400,000 in the bank, without that no extension based on marriage or living with your Thai children.

[Lite Beer]

Can you not get the Retirement Extension.? Or the Thai Child Extension?

All the extension rules here.

You could well get a Multi Entry Non Imm O. If not that certainly a single entry or even tourist visas.

[thomyum]

in the regulations it says one of the parents must earn 40,000 or ....

Then it says in other neccessary circumstances each application is on a one by one basis

example father taking care of child or children alone no mther

[Lite Beer]

in the regulations it says one of the parents must earn 40,000 or ....

Then it says in other neccessary circumstances each application is on a one by one basis

example father taking care of child or children alone no mther

Yes. This is what it says which leaves you at the mercy of each Immigration Office.

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

In other necessary circumstances, The Immigration Commissioner or Deputy of Immigration Commissioner may approve on case to case basis.

[Mario2008]

I read it that you can appeal to the head of the immigration department or his deputy to deviate from the rules. That would in all likelyhood only be in exceptional cases.

[Maestro]

in the regulations it says one of the parents must earn 40,000 or ....

Then it says in other neccessary circumstances each application is on a one by one basis

example father taking care of child or children alone no mther

In Police Order 777/2551 it says the following:

The English translation is wrong. The correct translation is as follows:

--

Maestro

[goodideabadiq]

Can you not get the Retirement Extension.? Or the Thai Child Extension?

All the extension rules here.

You could well get a Multi Entry Non Imm O. If not that certainly a single entry or even tourist visas.

My head is doing somersaults, but this is really great..... thanks y'all

I forgot to say that I now have Non Imm O, (not Visa.

I called lawyer SUNBELT 02-6420213. He said that I just get letters from the 2 Thai schools, where my children study, (that they are registered there). Then go to Nan with custody papers etc for extension 1 year.

The lawyer sounded VERY sure of himself! So get the school letters Mon, Nan Tues..... then see how it goes...

I will report how it goes of course.

Another thing - I also heard that, being over 50, you can get 1 year visa for your your children supporting (without anyone showing money in bank)..... but I need to wait another DECADE for my kids to start working (shelf that idea!)

I am not on a Tabeean Barn. If you get on Tabeean Barn (yellow), does that help with these?

[Sisaketmike]

I have Custody of my 2 Thai children from the Thai Ampur in Nan –

Can I get 1 year Non-Imm O Visa (renewable) - in or near Thailand, without showing financial requirement (400,000 in bank or 40,000/m income)?

I am 54 years old. The children are 12 & 8. They have lived with me since divorce from my Thai 3 years ago.

]Now I am on a work permit, which expires in 2 weeks.

I need to sort out another visa.

Thanks everyone

Hi. I know that this is a kind of strange. The best thing would be to look for a new job. It's possible to get another 3 month Non-O in Laos, (best in Vientiane). Normally you have to show 400,000 baht on your bank account, that's true. If that doesn't work, can't you get a via in your country? Don't get me wrong, but 90 days are passing by very fast. Good luck, you're not alone......greetings from the town of the buffaloes......

[mike123ca]

For marriage visa, Thai immigration wants to see 400,000 baht in a bank account or 40,000 a month income.

I think most foreigner's can earn 40,000 a month if they live in Bangkok, but what happens if your wife's family is from Issan. Many of the same jobs do not pay the same in different parts of the country. The cost of raising a family is also cheaper in the North-East.

If they want to use 40,000 baht , then wealthier regions could use this level whereas poorer regions could be ajusted accordingly. I don't know know of a single thai male relative in my wife's family making 40,000 baht a month.

In her family half of the males are older and the other half are younger. I can easily put 400,000 baht in bank account to get a visa, but if I had to find a job that pays 40,000 baht a month in Issan, that would be very difficult.

All her male relatives have wives and children. They are doing okay, but I know none of them are making 40,000 baht a month.

[johnefallis]

I have Custody of my 2 Thai children from the Thai Ampur in Nan –

Can I get 1 year Non-Imm O Visa (renewable) - in or near Thailand, without showing financial requirement (400,000 in bank or 40,000/m income)?

I am 54 years old. The children are 12 & 8. They have lived with me since divorce from my Thai 3 years ago.

Now I am on a work permit, which expires in 2 weeks.

I need to sort out another visa.

Thanks everyone

I hate to see you have kids and a problem. I have the number for a lawyer I was introduced to by officials AT the immigration dept. that "suggested" she could help me with what I wanted to do. She may be able to help you also. It may cost you 10-20k baht in "fees". PM me for more info.

[thaibkk]

i was wondering, what is my wife is in hospital and cannot come with my to immigration or she dies ?

have sold everything in home country...

have 2 children going to thai school here, since 2 years

going back is no option

i do not work, my wife does

so what are my options in case something happens to her ?

suggestions ?

[Lite Beer]

i was wondering, what is my wife is in hospital and cannot come with my to immigration or she dies ?

have sold everything in home country...

have 2 children going to thai school here, since 2 years

going back is no option

i do not work, my wife does

so what are my options in case something happens to her ?

suggestions ?

Apply for annual extensions to live with your Thai Children.

Here are the extension rules. Look at 2.18(5)

[spatz]

When we did our child's Aussie citizenship and passport back in 2002, she was only 17 days old then, by memory our doctor signed the back of her photo for both the citizenship and her passport. We had out Thai doc's translated and that took one day, i.e. handed them in in the morning and got them back that afternoon. As for how long the citizenship papers took I can't remember, I just renewed my passport and that took 10 days. As for appling for citizenship by descent for your child, only one parent needs to be Australian, regardless if you're going to Australia or not, your child will get it as long as your name is on your childs birth certificate, that 's very important. Once you have that than the passport is no problem.

[cockneyrebel]

It may be possible in Penang or KL. In Australia Perth would be favourite.

January Penang wanted you to show 800'000 for multi entry to visit your kids even when you were married ,while, when I called K.L they only wanted you to show 100.000 ,seems Penang is a waste of time these days hardly any one gets what they apply for

[steve28]

I have Custody of my 2 Thai children from the Thai Ampur in Nan –

Can I get 1 year Non-Imm O Visa (renewable) - in or near Thailand, without showing financial requirement (400,000 in bank or 40,000/m income)?

I am 54 years old. The children are 12 & 8. They have lived with me since divorce from my Thai 3 years ago.

Now I am on a work permit, which expires in 2 weeks.

I need to sort out another visa.

Thanks everyone

I was told last week by samut Prakan Immigration that the law had now been changed back and you can keep re-entering on a 3 month visa with no requirement for staying out the country for any specified time.

Singapore now only give 3 month non immigrant O visa's (no yearly) proof of income not required, apply in the morning and pick up the following afternoon.

Yearly visa's only issued at country of origin, no proof of income required

[Lite Beer]

There is no limit on back to back Visas. Multi Entry Non Imm O Visas are available in neighbouring countries if you qualify . As said before, KL seems favourite.

[cookyboy]

in the regulations it says one of the parents must earn 40,000 or ....

Then it says in other neccessary circumstances each application is on a one by one basis

example father taking care of child or children alone no mther

it makes me laugh that you have to show that you have 40,000 baht a month going into your bank to support you and your kids yet thai people have an average wage of about 7,000 baht a month for them and their kids so why the big difference, i am sure the kids eat and drink the same as all the other thai kids

[goodideabadiq]

Can you not get the Retirement Extension.? Or the Thai Child Extension?

All the extension rules here.

You could well get a Multi Entry Non Imm O. If not that certainly a single entry or even tourist visas.

1. exit work permit & 2. extension non imm ‘O’:

My work permit & non imm 'O' visa expired on 31/3/09, so on that day I went to the Phrae labor & Nan Immigration.

This is what happened…

1. EXIT WORK PERMIT…….

- get a document from the school to get a tax refund (I got 7000bt refund)

- get the school to fill in exit form (from labor office), with school stamp & Director’s signature

- on last day of contract, hand in this form with your finished work permit at labor office & get a receipt

- then go straight on to your immigration office

2. EXTENSION NON IMM ‘O’……..

- NO for 1 year extension to live with my children without 400,000bt….. & NO EXCEPTIONS, (say their bosses in CM)

- YES for 60 day extension without 400,000bt - 1 time visa 1900bt. (Does that mean once per year?)

- don’t try in Bkk (they said), because u hav 2 apply at the appointed office for your area

Documents…

- receipt from labor office for exit from work permit

- they didn’t ask for any tax things

- Original official stamped letters from both my kids’ school Directors, certifying attendance

- Copy divorce cert.

- Original Thai ampur divorce document & original lawyer company divorce contract…. Open at pages about custody of the children,…. but they read it all (they were amazed). They asked for a copy of both documents.

- Original bank books of 2 Thai accounts & copy of 2 uk bank account statements (they laughed!)

FOR MORE DETAILS AT NAN IMMIGRATION, READ ON

Haircut… smart clothes….documents ordered in transparent-sleeved folder…

Nan Immigration were VERY NICE. (I am sure they are reading this forum.) & it took about 15 mins. Thanks guys.

They looked apprehensive at first…..

Some friendly small-talk in Thai, ask their names, smile, a wise-crack, act as if you don’t give a dam_n about the visa –

Believe it or not, most Thai immigration officers are probably human too!

WHAT NEXT?

HOW ABOUT THIS PLAN?

now I have 2m non-o extension 1900bt (april & may)

next go Vientienne for double entry tourist visa - Free if I get it before June 3, right ? (trip cost 3000bt)

1^st entry 2m (june & july)

1m Extension in Thailand 1900bt (august)

Go out at Maesai for 2^nd entry 2m (sept & oct)

1m Extension in Thailand 1900bt (nov)

3 border runs to Maesai for 15 days trip costs 2000bt (dec)

That’s 9 months already at expenses 1+k/m

A few people told me that I can then just keep going in & out every 2 weeks at Maesai (Burma day-pass 500bt) back-to-back ad infinitum (they currently do this).

Can anyone confirm this, please? And is this plan workable?

THE BALL WILL ROLL MY WAY

THANKS FOR YOUR ADVICE, MATES!

[Mario2008]

The extension of stay based on having a Thai child says 400,000 in the bank OR an income of 40,000.

Yes, you can get a double tourist visa for free from vientianne and go ahead with your plan.

Did you think about getting a multiple non-O? Look here for some reports:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Latest-Repor...on-t189375.html

[Time Traveller]

in the regulations it says one of the parents must earn 40,000 or ....

Then it says in other neccessary circumstances each application is on a one by one basis

example father taking care of child or children alone no mther

it makes me laugh that you have to show that you have 40,000 baht a month going into your bank to support you and your kids yet thai people have an average wage of about 7,000 baht a month for them and their kids so why the big difference, i am sure the kids eat and drink the same as all the other thai kids

And it also makes me laugh that you could have on average 120,000 per month going into your bank account, and be told by someone at immigration you NEED a work permit to apply for extension using the income option. Yet someone with the bare minimum of 40k and work permit is given the extension without a problem. Even without considering if 40k is enough for their personal living expenses.

[Mario2008]

in the regulations it says one of the parents must earn 40,000 or ....

Then it says in other neccessary circumstances each application is on a one by one basis

example father taking care of child or children alone no mther

it makes me laugh that you have to show that you have 40,000 baht a month going into your bank to support you and your kids yet thai people have an average wage of about 7,000 baht a month for them and their kids so why the big difference, i am sure the kids eat and drink the same as all the other thai kids

And it also makes me laugh that you could have on average 120,000 per month going into your bank account, and be told by someone at immigration you NEED a work permit to apply for extension using the income option. Yet someone with the bare minimum of 40k and work permit is given the extension without a problem. Even without considering if 40k is enough for their personal living expenses.

You only need a WP if the money is earned in Thailand, to check that you are working legaly. For he same reason they may check if you pay tax. If the money is earned outside Thailand you need a letter confirming your income from your embassy.

The rules say "income" and that is not the same as getting money in your bankaccount every month.

[Time Traveller]

in the regulations it says one of the parents must earn 40,000 or ....

Then it says in other neccessary circumstances each application is on a one by one basis

example father taking care of child or children alone no mther

it makes me laugh that you have to show that you have 40,000 baht a month going into your bank to support you and your kids yet thai people have an average wage of about 7,000 baht a month for them and their kids so why the big difference, i am sure the kids eat and drink the same as all the other thai kids

And it also makes me laugh that you could have on average 120,000 per month going into your bank account, and be told by someone at immigration you NEED a work permit to apply for extension using the income option. Yet someone with the bare minimum of 40k and work permit is given the extension without a problem. Even without considering if 40k is enough for their personal living expenses.

You only need a WP if the money is earned in Thailand, to check that you are working legaly. For he same reason they may check if you pay tax. If the money is earned outside Thailand you need a letter confirming your income from your embassy.

The rules say "income" and that is not the same as getting money in your bankaccount every month.

Agreed, if you were working. In my case, income comes from within Thailand from rental of three condominums and dividends from Thai companies I have invested in within Thailand. I had all of the documents proving ownership of these investments and property as well as Thai Tax records for the previous 12months showing income and the tax paid on this income and still they refused to acknowledge that people can earn income from investments and said I need work permit !

In the future I might just get a letter from the embassy, much easier and at least embassy staff seem more intelligent than immigration (even if they are as unfriendly). Otherwise, the most recent police order says that you can get special consideration by writing a letter to the Commissioner, or deputy Commissioner ? (seems a little high a rank for a simple visa ext. - but I don't know)

I'm wondering if anyone else done this ? Or has similiar situation where income comes entirely from investment income within Thailand ?

[simon43]

Can someone (Mario2008?) please remind me?

For obtaining a visa extension on the basis of having a Thai child, was the requirement to have either 400,000 baht in the bank or an income of at least 40,000 baht per month changed to exclude the 40,000 baht per month option? I seem to recall reading that now the only option was the 400,000 baht per month option.

Simon

[Lite Beer]

This is the rule.

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

[ubonjoe]

Can someone (Mario2008?) please remind me?

For obtaining a visa extension on the basis of having a Thai child, was the requirement to have either 400,000 baht in the bank or an income of at least 40,000 baht per month changed to exclude the 40,000 baht per month option? I seem to recall reading that now the only option was the 400,000 baht per month option.

Simon

The new rules that came into effect in November says both.

Also there no time in the bank requirement for the 400,000.