Police Fighting A Losing Battle.

[Oberkommando]

Latest news from the Farang Crime Co-ordination Division

Pol. Lt. Col Phantom Wrongwaysaporn has released the following statistics for Crimes Against Thais by different organizations:

Murdering Thai People in Crackdown on Drugs

Police Force by authority of Government

Killing of Thai Minorities

Police force

Army

Navy

Exploitation of Women and Refugees for Prostitution and Human Trafficking

Police Force

Army

Influencial People

Stealing from State Coffers

Insert name of politician here

Violation of Intellectual Property Rights

Almost everybody

Cutting off arms of Karaoke Singers

Drunk Police officer(s) and their friends

Shooting of unarmed foreigners in "self defence"

Police

Arresting and imprisoning innocent Thais to extort money

Police

Pol Lt-Col Phantom's team has been assigned to track these national criminals. Police know the identities of these criminals but have been paid too much to do nothing or are scared of being killed if they actually arrest or even question suspects (in some rare instances the police are too lazy to actually do anything Lt. Phantom admitted).

Blaming a lack of integrity, enthusiasm and not enough money in it for them, Pol Lt-Col Phantom said there was little hope to catch criminals unless somebody offers them a better deal.

Thai police don't care how serious the national crime problem is and haven't a clue how to use sophisticated technology to assist them.

Pol Lt-Col Phantom also warned tourists at all hotels about house keepers, managers, maintenance staff who use their pass keys to enter into hotel rooms and open the "in-room 'un'safes" with special pass keys and steal money and valuables. He warns tourists that absolutely nothing will be done by the police as they are being paid off by the hotel owners to do nothing.

Many police are hoping for the introduction of a law to ensure foreigners cannot complain about useless police action in Thailand. His team have at least paved the way for further investigation by identifying nine types of national crime that so far have gone unexploited by Thai Police; he hopes that they do better in the future.

Brilliant.

[Pierrot]

In belgium we have gangs who come across the border from Northern France to commit robberies and drug trafficking.

Everybody knows in north-east France that if you want to have fun you need to go to Belgium

[joes125]

Amazing! Considering all the Brit bashing that goes on on this forum we only rank bottom place in one category. The French are league leaders in two categories and mid table in a third and nobody bashes them (well we Brits do but that's a historical thing and done in the best possible taste).

Even the Russkies, with all their mafia stuff, are only a couple of places above the relegation zone and only for fake credit cards.

As with most things in Thailand there is some truth in there somewhere. As has been said, anything that deflects the blame on to others is a worthy enterprise.

the truth is

these so called crimes can and will never end until a whole new way of looking at what is and what is not crime is really done

and the way of punishment

we are going backwards

and putting away lots of innocent people, thanks to the backward - hang 'em high bunch who just do not seem to understand that they are actually helping crime's and crooks get ricjers by staying in the dark age's

and as for that old sport of ...

- brit bashing- this is usually done by people who fall into the following catogry

1-they are jealous that they ruled the world ( and you know what - still do, along with the yank's)

2- they were colonised by them

3- they have a german family name

4-they themselves had a little spanking

that probably covers most of the world, but lets stay on track and find new solutions to these problems, because right now,what is happening just is not working

[Briggsy]

Amazing! Considering all the Brit bashing that goes

- brit bashing- this is usually done by people who fall into the following catogry

1-they are jealous that they ruled the world ( and you know what - still do, along with the yank's)

2- they were colonised by them

3- they have a german family name

4-they themselves had a little spanking

Are you talking about the Windsor's?

Mods - no discussion of the royals.

I'll get my coat.

[HankChinasky]

Its the same passport holders for exactly the same crime as we see in Europe. Its the African, Roumanian and Russian gangs we know oh so well.

And do notice I use the word Passport holder and not nationals. Because we know very well in Europe that when somebody have an UK or French passport its not meaning that it is his country of birth.

In belgium we have gangs who come across the border from Northern France to commit robberies and drug trafficking.

And yes they have an French passport but their place of birth is Algeria or Morocco. I would not be surprise that most of the bandits holding an UK passport their birth country is Nigeria or some other ex British colony.

Because obtaining the French, British, Dutch or belgian nationality is as easy as buying a newspaper.

Wow henryalleman!

I noticed from your previous posts that you was an a**hole, but now I realize that you're also a racist. Congrats

[mojo80]

The fact of the matter is that there are criminals in everycountry, but its a high majority with ethnic minorities!

[robblok]

Its the same passport holders for exactly the same crime as we see in Europe. Its the African, Roumanian and Russian gangs we know oh so well.

And do notice I use the word Passport holder and not nationals. Because we know very well in Europe that when somebody have an UK or French passport its not meaning that it is his country of birth.

In belgium we have gangs who come across the border from Northern France to commit robberies and drug trafficking.

And yes they have an French passport but their place of birth is Algeria or Morocco. I would not be surprise that most of the bandits holding an UK passport their birth country is Nigeria or some other ex British colony.

Because obtaining the French, British, Dutch or belgian nationality is as easy as buying a newspaper.

Wow henryalleman!

I noticed from your previous posts that you was an a**hole, but now I realize that you're also a racist. Congrats

Look at the crime statistics in Holland and you will see he is right. Moroccans are over represented there many of them have a Dutch passport but they commit the most crime of all Dutch. Its not racism to state facts.

[Ricardo]

Silly me, I had assumed from the title, that the police were losing a battle to protect foreign-residents and tourists from local criminals. I should have known better.

Edited March 16, 2009 by Ricardo

[HankChinasky]

Its the same passport holders for exactly the same crime as we see in Europe. Its the African, Roumanian and Russian gangs we know oh so well.

And do notice I use the word Passport holder and not nationals. Because we know very well in Europe that when somebody have an UK or French passport its not meaning that it is his country of birth.

In belgium we have gangs who come across the border from Northern France to commit robberies and drug trafficking.

And yes they have an French passport but their place of birth is Algeria or Morocco. I would not be surprise that most of the bandits holding an UK passport their birth country is Nigeria or some other ex British colony.

Because obtaining the French, British, Dutch or belgian nationality is as easy as buying a newspaper.

Wow henryalleman!

I noticed from your previous posts that you was an a**hole, but now I realize that you're also a racist. Congrats

Look at the crime statistics in Holland and you will see he is right. Moroccans are over represented there many of them have a Dutch passport but they commit the most crime of all Dutch. Its not racism to state facts.

It's obvious by the tone of this gentleman's post that he was not trying to state facts based on statistics or anything.

...obtaining the French, British, Dutch or belgian nationality is as easy as buying a newspaper....

...I would not be surprise that most of the bandits holding an UK passport their birth country is Nigeria or some other ex British colony...

If what is said above sounds like constructive argumentation to you, to me it just sounds like the usual sh#t you would hear at your local trucker bar. But then again, based on henryadolf's previous posts in various topics on TV, that doesn't surprise me at all.

[robblok]

Its the same passport holders for exactly the same crime as we see in Europe. Its the African, Roumanian and Russian gangs we know oh so well.

And do notice I use the word Passport holder and not nationals. Because we know very well in Europe that when somebody have an UK or French passport its not meaning that it is his country of birth.

In belgium we have gangs who come across the border from Northern France to commit robberies and drug trafficking.

And yes they have an French passport but their place of birth is Algeria or Morocco. I would not be surprise that most of the bandits holding an UK passport their birth country is Nigeria or some other ex British colony.

Because obtaining the French, British, Dutch or belgian nationality is as easy as buying a newspaper.

Wow henryalleman!

I noticed from your previous posts that you was an a**hole, but now I realize that you're also a racist. Congrats

Look at the crime statistics in Holland and you will see he is right. Moroccans are over represented there many of them have a Dutch passport but they commit the most crime of all Dutch. Its not racism to state facts.

It's obvious by the tone of this gentleman's post that he was not trying to state facts based on statistics or anything.

...obtaining the French, British, Dutch or belgian nationality is as easy as buying a newspaper....

...I would not be surprise that most of the bandits holding an UK passport their birth country is Nigeria or some other ex British colony...

If what is said above sounds like constructive argumentation to you, to me it just sounds like the usual sh#t you would hear at your local trucker bar. But then again, based on henryadolf's previous posts in various topics on TV, that doesn't surprise me at all.

I don't know where you are from but there is a big problem with immigrants in Holland and it is easy to get our nationality. The sentiment that he is stating is one that is getting more and more common in Holland because too long this kind of things have been going on. Before it was covered up by politicians who believe in the multicultural dream. He is from Belgium the same sentiment goes around there. Its the rebound from forcing things upon us that we did not want. Now that it is too far gone already those same politicians are slowly waking up.

[sassienie]

Although the police have bothered to separate these foreign criminals by nationality, to them, all us white trash folk are classified as Farangs.

Get a few bad apples, than we are all tarred with the same brush or viewed with mistrust as capable villains by the police.

Of course all these crimes listed are also being perpetrated by Thais, probably on a much wider scale than by foreigners, but as in all economic crisis’s, the host countries are always looking for scapegoats.

[bonobo]

I don't see what everyone is up in arms for on this article.  It is simply news.

When a Thai robs another Thai, it is certainly news, but not unique news.  When a foreigner robs a Thai, well, that doesn't happen every day, so it is considered more newsworthy.

The fact that there is rising ATM fraud has been reported before, and it looks like the Thai criminal element is not yet sophisticated enough to commit this type of crime.  So it is not surprising that the Malaysian criminals are here filling that niche.

Without giving real facts and figures to back up this story, the article merely reports that there seems to be a problem with foreign-committed crime here in Thailand.  And this would be of interest to anyone in Thailand, Thai or not.

We do the same thing in the US.  If it is a US drunk-driver who kills someone in Kansas, it hits the papers, but maybe on the second or third page.  But if that drunk driver was foreign, well that same story would probably make the front page.  That is simply because there are just not that many cases, especially in certain areas, where a foreigner commits this type of crime.

And in the US, we also have police and FBI units which focus on foreign-committed crime.  While the vast majority of crime in the US is committed by Americans, we still have police units which monitor, investigate, and prosecute foreigners in certain areas and criminal activities such as gang activity, drugs, human trafficing, money laundering, and the like.

[grantbkk]

The article like this one in the Bangkok Post is required to be written by the heads of the various departments, ministries and other official offices. This is how these department heads are judged by their bosses and used in evaluations which directly affect their salary and assignment. Some of these press releases, like this one for example, appear out of the blue and don't really tell us much.

When it is evaluation time we will see crackdowns on this and that followed by much fanfare. Another example is the quarterly raids centered on Sukhumvit 3/1. I lived near the area and saw the neighborhood being sealed off several times. The press release, probably written the night before, tells of the 50 to 80 arrests for drug dealing, drug trafficking, ID theft, forgery, et. al. Were told of the evil doers have been removed and will be deported back to mostly African countries. 10 minutes later it is business as usual.

As for the lack of American suspects you have to remember that the USA is far away and Americans, unlike Europeans, really don't like to travel internationally that much. America is a huge place and with more than 300 million victims in play, why leave? The Americans that are here prefer the real estate game. They try to maintain a low profile in the resort property business. Phuket, Hua Hin, Pattaya to name a few. I've talked with some of them who tell me business is great and will remain profitable as long as no one checks the property deeds. The businesses run on false promises and misinformation. When the heat begins the real estate developers and agents simply move on.

The bottom line is, if these type of articles are in the newspaper please consider the source and content with a little bit of skepticism. Every government office must plant a few stories a year. The property business and investment houses operate in the same manner. The editor goes to his fax machine when he gets to work and sorts through self serving articles written by employees from different companies trying to place articles and picks a number to be slipped into the publication that day. Some will have his name on them others will use the true name of the author. In America these are called "puff pieces" are are written to manipulate the thoughts and financial behavior of the readers. It is simply just another form of advertising. Buyer beware.

[dave_boo]

I don't see what everyone is up in arms for on this article. It is simply news.

When a Thai robs another Thai, it is certainly news, but not unique news. When a foreigner robs a Thai, well, that doesn't happen every day, so it is considered more newsworthy.

The fact that there is rising ATM fraud has been reported before, and it looks like the Thai criminal element is not yet sophisticated enough to commit this type of crime. So it is not surprising that the Malaysian criminals are here filling that niche.

Without giving real facts and figures to back up this story, the article merely reports that there seems to be a problem with foreign-committed crime here in Thailand. And this would be of interest to anyone in Thailand, Thai or not.

We do the same thing in the US. If it is a US drunk-driver who kills someone in Kansas, it hits the papers, but maybe on the second or third page. But if that drunk driver was foreign, well that same story would probably make the front page. That is simply because there are just not that many cases, especially in certain areas, where a foreigner commits this type of crime.

And in the US, we also have police and FBI units which focus on foreign-committed crime. While the vast majority of crime in the US is committed by Americans, we still have police units which monitor, investigate, and prosecute foreigners in certain areas and criminal activities such as gang activity, drugs, human trafficing, money laundering, and the like.

The reason that I'm so upset about it is that it preys on a false pretense--Thais are getting screwed by foreigners. As I previously mentioned, if the numbers were true, than a truly insignificant number of foreigners (much lower percentage wise than actually are commiting crimes in their home country!) are commiting crimes. And considering the number of crimes commited upon foreigners by Thais, which scarcely warrants a mention, is much larger and will cause the country more damage (i.e., if they wanted to they could profile people as they got off the plane and turn them around with hardly any repercussions to their economy if they believe that group was going to be a problem whereas if foreigners are getting offed and it's reported in foreign media no amount of whitewashing by the locals will help out) it is another contributing factor to re-enforce the stereotype of Thais being xenophobic racists who view other nationalities simply as ATMs on legs.

It's also, if you hadn't caught on from other posts, frustrating because there's no way in hel_l that the small numbers of crimes being commited by foreigners is overwhelming their police force. I suppose the argument could be made that the police are ill-trained to handle these 'international' (which is a joke--a true international crime syndicate wouldn't bother with the nickle and dime crime in Thailand) and it's easier to blame the foreigners than to admit failure on the part of the Thais to properly train their police force.

[patklang]

Its the same passport holders for exactly the same crime as we see in Europe. Its the African, Roumanian and Russian gangs we know oh so well.

And do notice I use the word Passport holder and not nationals. Because we know very well in Europe that when somebody have an UK or French passport its not meaning that it is his country of birth.

In belgium we have gangs who come across the border from Northern France to commit robberies and drug trafficking.

And yes they have an French passport but their place of birth is Algeria or Morocco. I would not be surprise that most of the bandits holding an UK passport their birth country is Nigeria or some other ex British colony.

Because obtaining the French, British, Dutch or belgian nationality is as easy as buying a newspaper.

Wow henryalleman!

I noticed from your previous posts that you was an a**hole, but now I realize that you're also a racist. Congrats

Look at the crime statistics in Holland and you will see he is right. Moroccans are over represented there many of them have a Dutch passport but they commit the most crime of all Dutch. Its not racism to state facts.

good point,and its not racists,its been proud of your country and get upset when tosspots try to ruin a fine country.

btw i am english but love Holland and its people.

[henryalleman]

Its the same passport holders for exactly the same crime as we see in Europe. Its the African, Roumanian and Russian gangs we know oh so well.

And do notice I use the word Passport holder and not nationals. Because we know very well in Europe that when somebody have an UK or French passport its not meaning that it is his country of birth.

In belgium we have gangs who come across the border from Northern France to commit robberies and drug trafficking.

And yes they have an French passport but their place of birth is Algeria or Morocco. I would not be surprise that most of the bandits holding an UK passport their birth country is Nigeria or some other ex British colony.

Because obtaining the French, British, Dutch or belgian nationality is as easy as buying a newspaper.

Wow henryalleman!

I noticed from your previous posts that you was an a**hole, but now I realize that you're also a racist. Congrats

Lucky I'm not blind, deaf and dumb like some.

40% of the prison population in Belgium are foreigners

Total prison population in belgium 9083

Moroccans 1071 = 11.79 %

Algerians 323

Turks 250

Total 1644 or 18% of the inmates are coming from those 3 countries(muslim)

This don't include the ones who obtain the belgian nationality by naturalisation.

Edited March 17, 2009 by henryalleman

[colibra]

I only wish that Britain and the US were as corruption free as Thailand. My kids might not be slaves to the national debts for the rest of there lives.

[henryalleman]

The Thai government took some actions already.

Passport holders from

1. Afghanistan, Egypt, Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan, Syria, Palestine, Saoedi-Arabië)
   
2. South east Asia(Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan)
   
3. Yemen
   
4. North-Korea
   

can't apply a visa any more at an Thai Consulate, but the must apply it in a Royal Thai embassy

Nigerians can only apply for a Visa at the Royal Thai embassy in London.

Passport holders from Morocco and India must have

ID card issued by the belgian authorities

Return Ticket

hotel reservation

adress of residence in Thailand

Passport holders of India and China must fill an application form in 5 copies and 5 photo's and will take a week before they can have a Visa

source:

Royal Thai consulate in Antwerp

http://www.thaiconsulate.be/portal.php?p=r...amp;afdeling=nl

sorry there is no English translation yet.

All of this is again a proof that many passport holders, country of birth is not the country of their passport

[adjan jb]

The Thai government took some actions already.

Passport holders from

1. Afghanistan, Egypt, Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan, Syria, Palestine, Saoedi-Arabië)
   
2. South east Asia(Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan)
   
3. Yemen
   
4. North-Korea
   

can't apply a visa any more at an Thai Consulate, but the must apply it in a Royal Thai embassy

Nigerians can only apply for a Visa at the Royal Thai embassy in London.

Passport holders from Morocco and India must have

ID card issued by the belgian authorities

Return Ticket

hotel reservation

adress of residence in Thailand

Passport holders of India and China must fill an application form in 5 copies and 5 photo's and will take a week before they can have a Visa

source:

Royal Thai consulate in Antwerp

http://www.thaiconsulate.be/portal.php?p=r...amp;afdeling=nl

sorry there is no English translation yet.

All of this is again a proof that many passport holders, country of birth is not the country of their passport

I don't understand.

Do you mean that people holding passports from Afghanistan, Egypt, Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan, Syria, Palestine, Saudi-Arabia, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan, Yemen, North-Korea, Nigeria, Morocco, India and China were not born in the country from which they hold a passport?

Yep, I think I need a translation.

[sunsamourai]

Amazing! Considering all the Brit bashing that goes on on this forum we only rank bottom place in one category. The French are league leaders in two categories and mid table in a third and nobody bashes them (well we Brits do but that's a historical thing and done in the best possible taste).

Even the Russkies, with all their mafia stuff, are only a couple of places above the relegation zone and only for fake credit cards.

As with most things in Thailand there is some truth in there somewhere. As has been said, anything that deflects the blame on to others is a worthy enterprise.

Has it occured to your beer clogged brain that the coutries were listed by alphabetical order ?

[phaethon]

Snippet from typical conversation with taxi driver yesterday:

"Police Thailand mai dee... money, money..."

Not the first time that's been heard.

[henryalleman]

The Thai government took some actions already.

Passport holders from

1. Afghanistan, Egypt, Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan, Syria, Palestine, Saoedi-Arabië)
   
2. South east Asia(Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan)
   
3. Yemen
   
4. North-Korea
   

can't apply a visa any more at an Thai Consulate, but the must apply it in a Royal Thai embassy

Nigerians can only apply for a Visa at the Royal Thai embassy in London.

Passport holders from Morocco and India must have

ID card issued by the belgian authorities

Return Ticket

hotel reservation

adress of residence in Thailand

Passport holders of India and China must fill an application form in 5 copies and 5 photo's and will take a week before they can have a Visa

source:

Royal Thai consulate in Antwerp

http://www.thaiconsulate.be/portal.php?p=r...amp;afdeling=nl

sorry there is no English translation yet.

All of this is again a proof that many passport holders, country of birth is not the country of their passport

I don't understand.

Do you mean that people holding passports from Afghanistan, Egypt, Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan, Syria, Palestine, Saudi-Arabia, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan, Yemen, North-Korea, Nigeria, Morocco, India and China were not born in the country from which they hold a passport?

Yep, I think I need a translation.

Sorry for the confusion, I'm not an native English speaker.

If you are an foreigner(fugitive) who have an residence permit, its possible to obtain an belgian traveling Passport issued by the belgian authorities without having the belgian nationality.

So in your passport they write your nationality. In short you carrying an belgian passport and they fill in the nationality of the person holding the passport.

This is so for every EU member state. Maybe you didn't notice but on top of the passport the print European comunity above the country name. Anyhow that's the case on a belgian passport.

[averageguy]

An amazing percentage of Cameroon nationals are well known to be involved in crime. They always seem to have no problem getting their hands on a visa. Many are even teaching with fake degrees all over Thailand.

[somchai69]

And the Thai people are virgin pure, with no stain on their character.........

[Spee]

When the tourist industry goes bad blame the foreigner. When a foreigner is killed, blame the foreigner. Do whatever it takes to shift anything that could place the blame at a local's feet away.....

Exactly, Bloomberg has named Thailand as most corrupt country in Asia for the last several years.

Enough said.

Oh come on .... do you get out much?

Corruption is rampant throughout the ASEAN region, Pacific Rim and many parts of the rest of the world. Do you honestly believe that Thailand is more corrupt than places like Myanmar, Cambodia, PRC, etc.?

Let's just stick to the facts. Thailand has corruption. That corruption causes problems for people who live there and visit there. That corruption also extends to very high levels of civil, military and private industries.

The question is what can or cannot be done about it, and what can we as expat guests do about it if anything. IMHO, any steps to do anything about corruption have to come from the top down, and I do mean the very top, which makes it all the less likely that change is coming any time soon.

So the next question is what do I (or you or anyone else) have to do in order to minimize the chances of confronting the faces of corruption and how to act if or when an encounter should occur.

[Spee]

40% of the prison population in Belgium are foreigners

As in the states where I think roughly 40% of the prison population is illegal aliens. I would very much doubt there are similar numbers in Thailand.

While I could be mistaken, I would suspect that most of the "foreign" criminal element is targeting other foreigners in the big cities and tourist areas. The average Thai probably sees no impact to his or her lifestyle because of it. Where the problem occurs is when the foreign criminal element pays off local Thai elements for "permission" to operate. This is criminal conspiracy to the long term detriment of the vast majority, Thai and guests alike.

[excaliber]

A simplistic solution would be to just cut off the visas/permission to stay stamps for certain nationalities. After all, what is an Argentine doing in Thailand anyway. Of course, if the immigration folks get stricter they will just end up screwing the good guys/gals.

Like they don't already?

[german73]

''The French are league leaders in two categories and mid table in a third and nobody bashes them ...''

You did bashed them in rugby last night ! ... and deservely so ...

It's alphabetically listed.

Brit bashing,U.S. bashing.... OMG

[Jingthing]

SPEE: As in the states where I think roughly 40% of the prison population is illegal aliens. I would very much doubt there are similar numbers in Thailand.

Wildly wrong, sir!

These stats include legal and illegal immigrants:

Over all — combining federal and state prisons — 6.4 percent of the nation’s prisoners were noncitizens in 2005. This is down from 6.8 percent in 2000.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/business/30leonside.html

[bungy007]

Amazing! Considering all the Brit bashing that goes on on this forum we only rank bottom place in one category. The French are league leaders in two categories and mid table in a third and nobody bashes them (well we Brits do but that's a historical thing and done in the best possible taste).

Even the Russkies, with all their mafia stuff, are only a couple of places above the relegation zone and only for fake credit cards.

As with most things in Thailand there is some truth in there somewhere. As has been said, anything that deflects the blame on to others is a worthy enterprise.

Arrrh. You missed the point. Thailand is so corrupt that they managed to bribe the compilers of the list not to contextualise it by drawing a comparison between foreign crime and the home grows variety - to show only one side of the coin!