Have Your Feelings Towards Thaksin Changed

[mc2]

The question is flawed.

I don't blame Thaksin for the current state of affairs, I blame the military coup and the yellow shirts for the mess.

Perhaps we can ask, having seen the mess it created, "have your feelings towards the 2006 military coup changed ? "

[Ulysses G.]

Perhaps we can ask, having seen the mess it created, "have your feelings towards the 2006 military coup changed ? "

Good idea!

[Jingthing]

The question is flawed.

I don't blame Thaksin for the current state of affairs, I blame the military coup and the yellow shirts for the mess.

Perhaps we can ask, having seen the mess it created, "have your feelings towards the 2006 military coup changed ? "

No, the question is not flawed. The question is clear and specific. If you would like to ask ANOTHER question, the start a poll function is available for your utilization.

[tijnebijn]

Ofcourse he is a prick , xenophobic selfish man .

But you have got to look to some good things also , thats why so many people

love what he did , when talking about his personality we all know what he is like .

But we all have to admit that the real problems lay somewhere different , mr T is just

a part of that problem , and because he is the top cat and took the top cat position gladly ,

naturally he deserves in a way what he is getting . He is going far out of line because he knows too much ,

much too much he knows , thats why he feels revenge because he did not create this political power shit alone , far from that .

But to be fair we should create a poll about if you dislike some other persons more or less , but am afraid

this is not allowed to do so ........

[tijnebijn]

The question is flawed.

I don't blame Thaksin for the current state of affairs, I blame the military coup and the yellow shirts for the mess.

Perhaps we can ask, having seen the mess it created, "have your feelings towards the 2006 military coup changed ? "

Exactly , I have got the feeling many things on these threads are not in perspective , thats why I do not see a reason

to reply so much . The polls are of personal hate to the person who embodied personal dislike all over the globe .

But the thing in mr T is not the problem to be solved , they did that already , its the body around

who stays in power what is the problem , the way it works makes no government able to create something

for the people , even with its best intensions .

[Jingthing]

mr T is not the problem to be solved , they did that already

He is clearly not the only problem. But its daft to suggest he was not a problem when he very recently and very openly led a violent revolution attempt, which happily failed miserably. That is a funny concept of not a problem.

[flying]

Exactly , I have got the feeling many things on these threads are not in perspective , thats why I do not see a reason

to reply so much . The polls are of personal hate to the person who embodied personal dislike all over the globe .

That really is the sad truth of it.

I think I will try to learn from you & not reply so much.

It does no good it is only feeding of a troll in its most basic form.

Thanks for the reminder

Edited May 11, 2009 by flying

[mrtoad]

Yes I have, in fact I would daresay I've talked to more people in those three provinces than you have.

Very unlikely

I don't know how much longevity really counts, but I've followed the situation in some detail since 1979, and had direct experience of the region dating back before that. I'm guessing I've probably been in Thailand more years than you have, but don't want to reveal my age either.

Again very unlikely, I guess you don't know where Mig comes from.

[mc2]

The question is flawed.

I don't blame Thaksin for the current state of affairs, I blame the military coup and the yellow shirts for the mess.

Perhaps we can ask, having seen the mess it created, "have your feelings towards the 2006 military coup changed ? "

No, the question is not flawed. The question is clear and specific. If you would like to ask ANOTHER question, the start a poll function is available for your utilization.

The question is flawed because the events (pattaya and riots) are symptoms of the crisis. the cause of the crisis and problems related to it is the 2006 coup.

I suppose the question is clear and specific, however the implication is (deliberately) flawed.

A similar type of tactic is used by the media to brainwash the masses, that is, slant the article/questions not obviously but just enough so the readers resistance is lowered... present the same type of reports regularly and often.

[Jingthing]

How ridiculous! Please start your own poll if you don't like the question. Its as if you are saying Mr. Thaksin lacks FREE WILL in his current actions. Amazing.

You don't like the crystal clear RESULTS here, so of course, its all a slant, all a conspiracy. Again, AMAZING.

BTW, the coup is OLD NEWS. This is CURRENT EVENTS. If you need help to start your own poll, PM me, I will be happy to HELP you.

Edited May 11, 2009 by Jingthing

[mc2]

How ridiculous! Please start your own poll if you don't like the question. Its as if you are saying Mr. Thaksin lacks FREE WILL in his current actions. Amazing.

You don't like the crystal clear RESULTS here, so of course, its all a slant, all a conspiracy. Again, AMAZING.

BTW, the coup is OLD NEWS. This is CURRENT EVENTS. If you need help to start your own poll, PM me, I will be happy to HELP you.

current events ? these things happened weeks ago. but i know brainwashing takes at least 30 days , so don't let me stop you with your bias topics/polls. i know your on a mission.

[flying]

How ridiculous! Please start your own poll if you don't like the question. I

LOL...........

Now that would be a great poll!

A Poll that asks if we like the questions on recent polls

[Jingthing]

current events ? these things happened weeks ago.

Weeks. Not YEARS. Got it now? You are grasping at straws. Like I said, everyone is a poll critic, especially whiners who aren't pleased with the results. The poll starting option is available to all users here. Hint hint hint...

so don't let me stop you with your bias topics/polls. i know your on a mission.

You don't have to stop me. I have no plans to start any new Thaksin related poll in the near future unless some dramatic news event warrants it. The two I recently did, direct vote Abhisit v Thaksin and this one covered the current topic quite well, thank you very much. I also had another one which was unfortunately not acceptable to the mods (who does Thaksin remind you of?) but two out of three ain't bad. Cheers!

The idea of starting a poll about feelings about the coup is not a bad idea. I don't wish to start this personally, but then again, if you like it so much, START IT YOURSELF.

Edited May 11, 2009 by Jingthing

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Poll:

Should JT treat himself to a life?

[a] ....

[Jingthing]

Poll:

Should JT treat himself to a life?

[a] ....

Polls that are personal attacks are against forum rules. Cheers.

[mc2]

I have no plans to start any new Thaksin related poll in the near future

thank the good lord. you really milked it

The idea of starting a poll about feelings about the coup is not a bad idea. I don't wish to start this personally, but then again, if you like it so much, START IT YOURSELF.

feel free to start it yourself (on my behalf if you wish), i just couldnt be bothered starting a topic and i know how much u love them, so ... its all yours. however we have had so many topics/polls on the same theme more or less , its all starting to get tedious IMO.

[Jingthing]

mc2

Perhaps we can ask, having seen the mess it created, "have your feelings towards the 2006 military coup changed ? "

mc2

feel free to start it yourself (on my behalf if you wish), i just couldnt be bothered starting a topic

Oh, I see, thanks for making it clear you are just another game playing twister. You complain about my poll, you come up with an idea for another poll, and then you can't be bothered with starting it yourself. Oy vey!

Edited May 11, 2009 by Jingthing

[Sandstone Art]

Somehow, the one and only latest positive thing I like about former Thai PM Thaksin is his legal and official change of name to

“Convicted Fugitive Republican Bad Man Shinawatra” by the present Government

[bertlamar]

having seen that any genuine economic reform was shelved after the first 12 months of TRT in favour of handouts to key TRT families via mega projects, FTAs, government policy and so forth, I cannot fathom why anyone with basic economics and finance background cannot see that the TRT years were at best a nice period of relatively stable government with not much done to build core competencies or sustainable competitive advantage, and at worst more likely a period of lost opportunity, where had the reforms starting in 1997 onwards been continued that now we would be in a stronger position rather than having high household debt, low commodity prices and lack of investment in key infrastructure projects.

The economic 'miracle' of TRT was simply being in the right place at the right time - high commodity prices, following a period of fiscal prudence, global economic boom.

So against that, do I think he was any good as a PM?

Nice that he gave us a few years of stability, probably the most corrupt PM Thailand has had in the last 20 years, but on the whole not an impossibly bad effort. A few absolute shockers - lying about birdflu, the south of course, cheating on his asset declaration, selling land to his wife's company with all TRT associated companies told not to bid, media inference and intimidation, the airport, the FTAs, the lack of telco deregulation and ignoring the constitution on that, the interfence in the senate, the deisel oil fund fiasco, the Elite card fiasco, the liverpool fiasco, the casino in Thailand fiasco, the Ua Arthorn housing fiasco, the rubber saplings and 1m cows giveaway fiasco, the PTT listing fiasco, the TPI interference, the Phaya Thai interference, the 'I'll only do work in areas that voted TRT declaration, the lies about selling Shin and all that, the fact he had guys like Chavalit and Banharn involved in doing anything, the numerous deals that he got for his kids....other than that sort of stuff, I guess not entirely useless.

Do I like his claims and requests for democracy now plus reistating the 1997 constitution - given his appalling record of following the terms of that document when he had the chance - not so much. Not a huge fan of people who claim they will retire from politics, then immediately change their minds either. And certainly not a fan of his kids - if they are a chip off the old block, then that block may indeed have an ample supply of young nubile meea nois like Lydia, Thaksin Where Are you 'reporters' and Mai lined up, but the block is rotten to the core.

Surely for Thaksin supporters, it must be gutting to know that while people were (alledgedly) being shot at, after his promise that he would come strolling in and take back power and protect them, that instead he and his family did a runner abroad, encouraged people to take kids and family into Bangkok, and then (you can claim otherwise, but no sane person will believe it) incited violence knowing full well there were young children and people brought in on the understanding they would be campaigning to get their hero back and he would be there to support them if things got bad. Well they definitely got bad, but we didn't see much of him or any of his family did we??!

It is no coincidence that Thaksin, if you rearrange the letters, comes out as Is Thank. Because let's face it, his english was utterly rubbish as well, almost on par with his mate Banharn.

Anyone who counts Chalerm as a close friend has to be a knob.

Edited May 11, 2009 by bertlamar

[ThNiner]

having seen that any genuine economic reform was shelved after the first 12 months of TRT in favour of handouts to key TRT families via mega projects, FTAs, government policy and so forth, I cannot fathom why anyone with basic economics and finance background cannot see that the TRT years were at best a nice period of relatively stable government with not much done to build core competencies or sustainable competitive advantage, and at worst more likely a period of lost opportunity, where had the reforms starting in 1997 onwards been continued that now we would be in a stronger position rather than having high household debt, low commodity prices and lack of investment in key infrastructure projects.

The economic 'miracle' of TRT was simply being in the right place at the right time - high commodity prices, following a period of fiscal prudence, global economic boom.

So against that, do I think he was any good as a PM?

Nice that he gave us a few years of stability, probably the most corrupt PM Thailand has had in the last 20 years, but on the whole not an impossibly bad effort. A few absolute shockers - lying about birdflu, the south of course, cheating on his asset declaration, selling land to his wife's company with all TRT associated companies told not to bid, media inference and intimidation, the airport, the FTAs, the lack of telco deregulation and ignoring the constitution on that, the interfence in the senate, the deisel oil fund fiasco, the Elite card fiasco, the liverpool fiasco, the casino in Thailand fiasco, the Ua Arthorn housing fiasco, the rubber saplings and 1m cows giveaway fiasco, the PTT listing fiasco, the TPI interference, the Phaya Thai interference, the 'I'll only do work in areas that voted TRT declaration, the lies about selling Shin and all that, the fact he had guys like Chavalit and Banharn involved in doing anything, the numerous deals that he got for his kids....other than that sort of stuff, I guess not entirely useless.

Do I like his claims and requests for democracy now plus reistating the 1997 constitution - given his appalling record of following the terms of that document when he had the chance - not so much. Not a huge fan of people who claim they will retire from politics, then immediately change their minds either. And certainly not a fan of his kids - if they are a chip off the old block, then that block may indeed have an ample supply of young nubile meea nois like Lydia, Thaksin Where Are you 'reporters' and Mai lined up, but the block is rotten to the core.

Surely for Thaksin supporters, it must be gutting to know that while people were (alledgedly) being shot at, after his promise that he would come strolling in and take back power and protect them, that instead he and his family did a runner abroad, encouraged people to take kids and family into Bangkok, and then (you can claim otherwise, but no sane person will believe it) incited violence knowing full well there were young children and people brought in on the understanding they would be campaigning to get their hero back and he would be there to support them if things got bad. Well they definitely got bad, but we didn't see much of him or any of his family did we??!

It is no coincidence that Thaksin, if you rearrange the letters, comes out as Is Thank. Because let's face it, his english was utterly rubbish as well, almost on par with his mate Banharn.

Anyone who counts Chalerm as a close friend has to be a knob.

And I can really confirm what you said about his kids...well at least one of them, because I went to the same high school as he did. And he really was a handful. I got to hear his name almost everyday through the school's public announcement when they announced the names of students who got demerit points. He should have been kicked out...but never did. Wondered why.

[frodo]

For those of you inclined, you can see what others say as well regarding Thaksin.

AntiThaksin

[johncitizen]

No change towards him. Although I support the Red Shirts struggle for democracy, I don't hold any sentimentality for Thaksin. Also, for all of the hype, I don't believe that he had much to do with the Red Shirt riots/Pattaya, and feel that on both occasions the Reds had the moral high-ground regardless.

[Mosha]

Anyone read the column in yesterdays Bangkok Post re his lawyer and e-mails. Telling the UDD I am not your leader in one, and "We" must surround the local government offices in another? Thaksin would not recognise the truth if it bit him on the bum. Dead man walking methinks, he's a <deleted>.

[bertlamar]

And I can really confirm what you said about his kids...well at least one of them, because I went to the same high school as he did. And he really was a handful. I got to hear his name almost everyday through the school's public announcement when they announced the names of students who got demerit points. He should have been kicked out...but never did. Wondered why.

Son is a bit suspect, to be honest I have a lot more respect for people who are gay if they come out of the closet rather than pretending like he tried to do for a while with his various beards, I think he's now pretty much out now though right? Son cheated at RU got caught, father asked for everyone to shut up about it, leant on the media not to do anything, leant on the school. But of course....he can be trusted as PM not to abuse his power right???!. Later also caught cheating alledgedly in Hawaii - AFAIK still with no degree though; at least he has made a bunch of (ahem) phamacuetical sales people a little richer along the way.

As for the daughters, older one moron supposedly, alledged rigging to get her into Kaset.

Younger one, also rather academically left wanting - according to some - alledged rigging to get her into CHula. Thick as a plank - although that of course is not an insult but merely a suposition based on feedback from others and in no way indicative of planks, did work for one day at McDs though for a photo op, probably the only honest day's work that family have done in the last 20 years, alledgedly.

YOu can tell a lot about parents when you look at the kids.

Of course, being that they love suing people, all of this is based on assumption and opinion only, rather than calculated opinions gained from knowing classmates, teachers, etc etc.

According to K0082, they are all gods, worthy of worship who can do no wrong.

Edited May 11, 2009 by bertlamar

[orchis]

My feeling turned with the occupations of Government House and the airport. And I'm

not with the red nor Thaksin in this. I just cdnt believe that those occupations could happen,

that no one or nothing could prevent that. I have lived and worked here for 14 years

and that really was the first time I got worried. Then the troubles at Songkran compounded this,

from mob rule to gangsterism. feelings of insecurity (I'm in travel).

Some kind of unravelling of society going on, how hard headed both sides are and how many hijacked in the center,

maybe it will lead to something for the better but I think this will be a long meantime of upset.

[MiG16]

Yes I have, in fact I would daresay I've talked to more people in those three provinces than you have.

Very unlikely

I don't know how much longevity really counts, but I've followed the situation in some detail since 1979, and had direct experience of the region dating back before that. I'm guessing I've probably been in Thailand more years than you have, but don't want to reveal my age either.

Again very unlikely, I guess you don't know where Mig comes from.

shhhh!

Im trying to maintain that very positive impression spolia has of me. what did he say....., something about youthful exuberance and enthusiasm, or something like that

its good for my image .

so shhhhh toadie

[Koo82]

I felt very normal when Khun Thaksin was Prime Minister. He made us pay too much tax. At that time I thought maybe I would give Abhisit a chance.

After Khun Thaksin was knocked by a coup, I started to see the going down of Thailand. After all they've done to punish him, to hunt down him, after I've seen the true face of army and the ruling class, I love Khun Thaksin more than ever.

Khun Thaksin was the best Prime Minister Thailand has ever had. He is not perfect but he is not as bad as people want us to believe so.

I love Khun Thaksin.

[ThNiner]

Son is a bit suspect, to be honest I have a lot more respect for people who are gay if they come out of the closet rather than pretending like he tried to do for a while with his various beards, I think he's now pretty much out now though right? Son cheated at RU got caught, father asked for everyone to shut up about it, leant on the media not to do anything, leant on the school. But of course....he can be trusted as PM not to abuse his power right???!. Later also caught cheating alledgedly in Hawaii - AFAIK still with no degree though; at least he has made a bunch of (ahem) phamacuetical sales people a little richer along the way.

As for the daughters, older one moron supposedly, alledged rigging to get her into Kaset.

Younger one, also rather academically left wanting - according to some - alledged rigging to get her into CHula. Thick as a plank - although that of course is not an insult but merely a suposition based on feedback from others and in no way indicative of planks, did work for one day at McDs though for a photo op, probably the only honest day's work that family have done in the last 20 years, alledgedly.

YOu can tell a lot about parents when you look at the kids.

Of course, being that they love suing people, all of this is based on assumption and opinion only, rather than calculated opinions gained from knowing classmates, teachers, etc etc.

According to K0082, they are all gods, worthy of worship who can do no wrong.

Wow. A pretty comprehensive description of his kids krab.

[bertlamar]

I love Khun Thaksin.

I love Um Patcharapa, but I do recognise that she might not be the best person to run a country.

One day when you have a solid understanding of economics, marketing and PR, as well as what the concept of a constitution is as well as how killing hundreds of innocent people is not strictly legal, perhaps you will understand why your pal is possibly not the best person to run Thailand either.

Democracy my a$$. When given the chance in power, he openly said that things like a free media were not important; how he has changed his tune once he got caught.

[Koo82]

The question is flawed because the events (pattaya and riots) are symptoms of the crisis. the cause of the crisis and problems related to it is the 2006 coup.

I think the Pattaya event happened because some people set up the blues having slingshots, wooden sticks, blue small bombs which look like firecracker to attack the reds.

Without the blues, the reds might not have run into the resort.

Via the red radio, a red who was in Pattaya that day told us that they had to rush into the resort because the blues ran back with more weapons. The reds had to run inside to avoid because the reds did not have weapons. I don't deny that some reds did not want the Summit to take place so they wanted to run inside too.