Kidney Stones

[SCARLETIBIS1]

Has anyone around Chiang Mai been treated for kidney stones? My stone may be too big to pass (9 mm) so my options are bleak. Any good doctors and hospitals would be appreciated along with type of treatment.

Any idea of cost would also be useful. Thanks

[elektrified]

You could try Sripat Medical Center, they have several Nephrologists there. 053-946900. Or Chiang Mai Ram Hospital. If you don't have medical insurance it could be costly.

[Ulysses G.]

Supposedly, drinking fresh coconut juice from the nut will break down kidney stone down. I would not rely on that, but it might make things easier.

[Lopburi99]

It's not impossible for a stone of that size to pass, I've heard of larger. Although my largest was not that big, it was almost. You'd be surprised at the effectiveness of muscle relaxants and anti-spasmodic medications here. Personally I'd exhaust that possibility before resorting to any invasive procedure. I would also look into having the stone broken up (I think by sound wave therapy) but I never had it done since my stones were not candidates for that process. I also wouldn't rule out flying to BKK if necessary. Good luck to you.

[elektrified]

It's not impossible for a stone of that size to pass, I've heard of larger. Although my largest was not that big, it was almost. You'd be surprised at the effectiveness of muscle relaxants and anti-spasmodic medications here. Personally I'd exhaust that possibility before resorting to any invasive procedure. I would also look into having the stone broken up (I think by sound wave therapy) but I never had it done since my stones were not candidates for that process. I also wouldn't rule out flying to BKK if necessary. Good luck to you.

A friend of mine had a large stone a number of years ago and he was placed in a large tub and the stone was pulverized with low frequencies. I think I read somewhere that they now use shock waves.

[Maejo Man]

http://www.ehealthmd.com/library/kidneysto..._treatment.html

Well worth a look..

[Falcon]

Hi,

Has anyone around Chiang Mai been treated for kidney stones? My stone may be too big to pass (9 mm) so my options are bleak. Any good doctors and hospitals would be appreciated along with type of treatment.

Any idea of cost would also be useful. Thanks

No need to go for invasive surgery or anything similar. I have had Kidney stones a few years ago and can sympathise with you. The pain is terrific and like nothing i have ever felt before, they do say that kidney stones in a male is the equevalent of a female giving birth!!

Easiest way of getting rid of stones, no matter their size, is as follows :

Prepare the following before starting treatment:

Buy a 2 liter bottle of Coca Cola &

8 oz of Fresh Asparagus. This needs to be liquidized down to a consistency easily drinkable without adding anything.

Drink all of the coke within a 2 hour period - cold or warm, doesnt matter just that people find it easier to get down if its a little warm and not cold but your choice as it works either way.

Immediately after finishing the coke, drink the liquidized asparagus.

These 2 compounds work together to rid the body of the kidney stones in the following way :

the coke has a element that will break down the kidney stones in to small grains, like a fine sand and the asparagus acts as a natural diuretic. Therefore, the stones are passed and you will see the signs after urinating as you will actually see the (sand like) grains being ejected with the urine.

I have tried this many times and it has always worked very well for me and for those that I have given this "treatment" to.

Hope this helps you get relief from your problem.

Regards,

Falcon

[westbounder]

http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Kidney/index.htm

[philliphn]

It is very important to be sure that you are well hydrated. This will go along way to preventing Kidney stones. In other words drink lots of water.

[ggarbas]

I have been told that if you drink alot of beer it is a good preventive for kidney stones. Could be a fun preventive and good excuse to tell the wife why you are drinking so much beer.

[john b good]

I have a close relative who suffered from kidney stones for a number of years. They did undergo invasive treatment, which I understand can only be readily done a couple of times.

Kidney stones do have a history of "coming back" time and again.

The person to whom I am referring now has them zapped with laser treatment which is very simple and with almost no pain.

I cannot advise if (or where) they have the equipment in Chiang Mai to carry out this procedure.

Diet does play a part (in the prevention) but I personally wouldn't have too much faith in any of the said concoctions already suggested. Almost like going to a witch doctor IMO.

A bit like my father in law who died of lung cancer (here in the realm) and one of the suggested concoctions included him drinking his own urine.

Remember that this is Thailand and not Harley Street.

Edited August 27, 2009 by john b good

[antony77]

It's not impossible for a stone of that size to pass, I've heard of larger. Although my largest was not that big, it was almost. You'd be surprised at the effectiveness of muscle relaxants and anti-spasmodic medications here. Personally I'd exhaust that possibility before resorting to any invasive procedure. I would also look into having the stone broken up (I think by sound wave therapy) but I never had it done since my stones were not candidates for that process. I also wouldn't rule out flying to BKK if necessary. Good luck to you.

A friend of mine had a large stone a number of years ago and he was placed in a large tub and the stone was pulverized with low frequencies. I think I read somewhere that they now use shock waves.

I had shock wave treatment twice it is very effective. About Bt25-35000 in a provincial hospital, double at BGH

[SCARLETIBIS1]

Hi,

Has anyone around Chiang Mai been treated for kidney stones? My stone may be too big to pass (9 mm) so my options are bleak. Any good doctors and hospitals would be appreciated along with type of treatment.

Any idea of cost would also be useful. Thanks

No need to go for invasive surgery or anything similar. I have had Kidney stones a few years ago and can sympathise with you. The pain is terrific and like nothing i have ever felt before, they do say that kidney stones in a male is the equevalent of a female giving birth!!

Easiest way of getting rid of stones, no matter their size, is as follows :

Prepare the following before starting treatment:

Buy a 2 liter bottle of Coca Cola &

8 oz of Fresh Asparagus. This needs to be liquidized down to a consistency easily drinkable without adding anything.

Drink all of the coke within a 2 hour period - cold or warm, doesnt matter just that people find it easier to get down if its a little warm and not cold but your choice as it works either way.

Immediately after finishing the coke, drink the liquidized asparagus.

These 2 compounds work together to rid the body of the kidney stones in the following way :

the coke has a element that will break down the kidney stones in to small grains, like a fine sand and the asparagus acts as a natural diuretic. Therefore, the stones are passed and you will see the signs after urinating as you will actually see the (sand like) grains being ejected with the urine.

I have tried this many times and it has always worked very well for me and for those that I have given this "treatment" to.

Hope this helps you get relief from your problem.

Regards,

Falcon

Two questions: First, do you eat the asparagus raw or can you cook it first and second how long does it take? Thanks for the info. I'm checking to see if I ever pissed you off on the forum first. LOL

[hansnl]

Has anyone around Chiang Mai been treated for kidney stones? My stone may be too big to pass (9 mm) so my options are bleak. Any good doctors and hospitals would be appreciated along with type of treatment.

Any idea of cost would also be useful. Thanks

Maybe some advise is in place.

Don't assume that the private hospitals are any better as State or University Hospitals.

Do assume that private hospitals are always much more expensive, very much so!

Most of the time the private hospitals don't have all the specialists in house, but on call.....from the state hospital or university hospital

Go to a state hospital or university hospital, and pay, maybe even, 50% less.

There too you can get very good care and a private room.

A Professor in the hospital of KK-University once told me, and I quote:

" If you want the best treatment come to this hospital, if you want the most expensive treatment, go to KK-RAM".

Enough said.

[femi fan]

My prognosis is that the OP has a diet that includes a lot of meat and/or dairy produce. Too much animal protein damages the kidneys, and leads to kidney stones.

[cmdream]

My prognosis is that the OP has a diet that includes a lot of meat and/or dairy produce. Too much animal protein damages the kidneys, and leads to kidney stones.

Confused now, isn't "produce" fruit and veggies ?

[lioness]

Having had 5 different lots of Kidney stones in the last 3 years I can sympathise with you. One option is laser, this is painless and shatters the stone. However don't give up , my last one was 9mm and on the day I was supposed to have surgery I passed it, not without some pain I might add but better than being hospitalised.

Falcon, kidney stones is nothing like giving birth, the stones are far more painful.

[Priceless]

My prognosis is that the OP has a diet that includes a lot of meat and/or dairy produce. Too much animal protein damages the kidneys, and leads to kidney stones.

Confused now, isn't "produce" fruit and veggies ?

According to Wikipedia (found by Google):

"Produce is a generalized term for a group of farm-produced goods, not limited to fruit and vegetables."

/ Priceless

[sagaris]

My prognosis is that the OP has a diet that includes a lot of meat and/or dairy produce. Too much animal protein damages the kidneys, and leads to kidney stones.

Confused now, isn't "produce" fruit and veggies ?

According to Wikipedia (found by Google):

"Produce is a generalized term for a group of farm-produced goods, not limited to fruit and vegetables."

/ Priceless

do you ever bore yourself ?

[Priceless]

My prognosis is that the OP has a diet that includes a lot of meat and/or dairy produce. Too much animal protein damages the kidneys, and leads to kidney stones.

Confused now, isn't "produce" fruit and veggies ?

According to Wikipedia (found by Google):

"Produce is a generalized term for a group of farm-produced goods, not limited to fruit and vegetables."

/ Priceless

do you ever bore yourself ?

No, but since I am not a native English speaker I am constantly trying to improve my grasp of the language. I did however learn a long time ago that one should begin sentences with a capital letter

/ Priceless

[SCARLETIBIS1]

My prognosis is that the OP has a diet that includes a lot of meat and/or dairy produce. Too much animal protein damages the kidneys, and leads to kidney stones.

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FYI,

Since living in Thailand for about 4 years I have eaten lasagne twice. And I don't eat dairy foods. Thank God you aren't my doctor. LOL

[Ulysses G.]

My prognosis is that the OP has a diet that includes a lot of meat and/or dairy produce. Too much animal protein damages the kidneys, and leads to kidney stones.

Confused now, isn't "produce" fruit and veggies ?

According to Wikipedia (found by Google):

"Produce is a generalized term for a group of farm-produced goods, not limited to fruit and vegetables."

/ Priceless

do you ever bore yourself ?

Not with people such as yourself around, who are so much better at it!

[elektrified]

My prognosis is that the OP has a diet that includes a lot of meat and/or dairy produce. Too much animal protein damages the kidneys, and leads to kidney stones.

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FYI,

Since living in Thailand for about 4 years I have eaten lasagne twice. And I don't eat dairy foods. Thank God you aren't my doctor. LOL

I'm glad he/she is not my doctor either! Furthermore prognosis means a prediction of the probable course and outcome of a disease. The likelihood of recovery from a disease. Guessing somebody's diet has nothing to do with a prognosis.

[femi fan]

My prognosis is that the OP has a diet that includes a lot of meat and/or dairy produce. Too much animal protein damages the kidneys, and leads to kidney stones.

\

FYI,

Since living in Thailand for about 4 years I have eaten lasagne twice. And I don't eat dairy foods. Thank God you aren't my doctor. LOL

But does that mean you eat meat? It's not clear. Lasagne is not meat. It's pasta. And maybe it's lucky i'm not your doctor, but don't go consulting God either...!

[SCARLETIBIS1]

My prognosis is that the OP has a diet that includes a lot of meat and/or dairy produce. Too much animal protein damages the kidneys, and leads to kidney stones.

\

FYI,

Since living in Thailand for about 4 years I have eaten lasagne twice. And I don't eat dairy foods. Thank God you aren't my doctor. LOL

But does that mean you eat meat? It's not clear. Lasagne is not meat. It's pasta. And maybe it's lucky i'm not your doctor, but don't go consulting God either...!

Hello

Okay, okay, I was trying to be nice. I am beginning to see why people get all huffed up about members. Half the replies to a post have nothing to do with the question. And by the way I suppose you meant, 'diagnosis' instead of 'prognosis'

At any rate when I mentioned Lasagna I was implying that it contained meat.

Regarding my specific original question thanks to all for your replies. Here is an update. I went to Lanna hospital originally to the emergency room. I had to go back the next day for a meet with the urologist who recommeded pulverizing the stone. He did not speak very good English. While there a filling for a tooth fell out. The good news is they have a dental clinic there and I was able to get it done. But it was a total rip off as all they had to do was put in the filling. No drilling done. Cost 800 baht. My dentist charges me 400 baht and that includes the drilling etc. I do not recommend Lanna hospital especially if you need urologic consultation or treatment. Oh, the cost starts at 25kbaht and goes up with each additional treatment. Many times you need several follow up procedures. In addition, they only do the procedure twice a month so you might have to wait two weeks in agony to get it done there.

I then went to Sripat, another private hospital. I again had to come back for an appt. Seems like all specialist docs play golf in the morning and show up around 4pm. I went back at 4pm and spoke to the doc who spoke English very well. I brought the ultra sound and paperwork from Lanna and he concurred that I would need the procedure. FYI according to him 80% of all stones 4mm and under pass, 50% under 7mm and only 10% 1 centimeter or less. Mine was about 9mm. He said he could perform the procedure the next day which was today. The cost was 40000 baht and it included any future procedures which I will need to go back at least once or twice. The hopital is extremely busy. I advise you to get in line early in the morning for an appt. I got #1 by getting there at 7:45. The procedure was done at 9am and I was out of there by 11am. You must pay in full after the first procedure. Medication is extra and doctor is extra and I think exrays are extra. I skipped one procedure and saved 5k baht.

The only negative I have with the procedure is that they did not give me any pain killer before the procedure. I would insist on it if I were you. They zap you with a pusating laser about 3500 times with on a scale of 1-10 in intensity. I was able to aborb a 5 scale. They had to give me a pain killer after 1000 zaps. In the US they would put you asleep. Why they don't do it here is beyond me. Maybe we are more sensitive than the Thais or maybe they do it because we are not Thai. LOL

After it is done you will not feel like visiting a bar girl establishment that is for sure. But here it is 4 hours later and I am still alive. I also went to Ram but cancelled the appt as I had made the decision to get it over with asap. I do not know what it would cost there.

I am taking the coke and asparagus treatment as we speak and will update you all on it but the guy who made it up on the web (not the guy who recommended it on TV) sells it for $34. Since I am in advertising, I assume it is a scam and all the testimonials are from dead people but hey it might work and if it helps me rid the broken up stones I will announce it. Good luck to all.

[femi fan]

Okay, okay, I was trying to be nice. I am beginning to see why people get all huffed up about members. Half the replies to a post have nothing to do with the question. And by the way I suppose you meant, 'diagnosis' instead of 'prognosis'

At any rate when I mentioned Lasagna I was implying that it contained meat.

I did mean diagnosis, apologies, they sound the same!

My reply did have an objective of helping you with your question, but it was indirect i guess.

Most modern health practice treats the symptoms, not the causes. So, presumably once you manage to get rid of this one, more are likely to come along. Indeed, frequently people keep getting the same conditions, albeit put into remission for periods of time in between occurrences. It's because the causes haven't been investigated, and it seems this reflects much of modern medical 'health' care.

Just about all illnesses, including kidney stones, are a result and outcome largely of one's particular diet. My understandings are that an overconsumption of dairy and meat are a cause of kidney stones. Hence my initial post, albeit with the misleading 'prognosis'.

At any rate, my suggestion would remain: try and discover any connections you can between your symptom and possible causes from your diet. Plenty of decent information can be found on the net, the trick as ever is working out to what degree you can accept what they are saying.

I bet the doctors won't be interested in helping you avoid a repeat in the future...