Thaksin Says Abhisit Interfered In Police Chief's Appointment

[webfact]

Thaksin says Abhisit interfered in police chief's appointment

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra said Thursday that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva had severely affected the police's morale by interfering in the national police chief's appointment.

Thaksin commented on the delay in the police chief's appointment on his twitter's page, typing: "This is the era when police were extremely interfered. When someone, who does not understand the law and internal rules of police, tried to get involved too deeply, police's morale were severely affected."

-- The Nation 2009/09/17

[Pushit]

Yeah...And Thaksin never interfered with police or army promotions right...

[Wolfie]

When someone, who does not understand the law

Thats rich, coming from a fugative in self imposed exile

[Bagwan]

This news has quite taken my breath away. I am greatly disturbed that the morale of the police has been affected and will spend the rest of the day distributing bottles of Black Label to anyone in a tight brown uniform who looks disconsolate.

[PeaceBlondie]

Thaksin whom?

[posttenebraslux]

How nice ! The former PM never had anything to do with police matters ? How does he qualify to intervene ?

[TAWP]

A meddling fugitive complains a PM, whom Thaksin himself requested to be more of a leader and in control since Thaksin claimed he didn't have any cajones or power, is using his power to influence the appointment of Police Chief [and effectively neutering Thaksins choice]...

Irony, what is that?

[animatic]

The man is round the twist to even say this.

Even as he was a Police Lt. Col. in a past life.

No one has ever interfered politically in the police MORE than Dr. T. himself.

Except he is attempting to make a Police Mutiny to go with his hoped for Military mutiny.

So it does make a weird demented sort of logic...

[mrtoad]

Thaksin is obviously suffering from some form of memory loss.

[stumonster]

notwithstanding that the police in thailand need to be severely interfered with if there is any chance of rooting out the ingrained corruption

[mc2]

wrong move mr. abhisit.

[Thai at Heart]

Keep polishing that pot, because the kettle isn't getting any shinier.

What an astonishing statement.

[givenall]

Thaksin whom?

Who cares any more. he is old news, lets talk about something else

[Jingthing]

I wonder what all of the other Thai criminals (in prison and out) think about the Abhisit's latest move? Why are the ramblings of the Montenegran even newsworthy?

[mrtoad]

Thaksin whom?

Who cares any more. he is old news, lets talk about something else

Okay,,,let's talk about hubs or crackdowns.

[Insight]

Looks like anti-Thaksin Facebook groups are set to grow in membership numbers further this weekend...

[mrtoad]

Thaksin says Abhisit interfered in police chief's appointment

. When someone, who does not understand the law and internal rules of police, tried to get involved too deeply, police's morale were severely affected."

-- The Nation 2009/09/17

For those that may have not noticed, this is the real point. Internal rules of the police, I can't possibly think what he means by that.

[baht&sold]

Why this is important:

1) The Police are primarily in charge of controlling the red rally..

2) Few in the Police appear to want any reform or any changes made which may upset their 'system' (or 'co-operative')... and most ardently support Mr Thaksin

3) Mr Thaksin clearly knows how the co-operative works and how to 'work it' to make it work for him... (the rank and file appears to respect this)

4) Last week it was suggested the Police may 'revolt' - see:

The removal of police chief Pol Gen Phatcharawat Wongsuwon to an inactive post at the PM’s Office had upset other police and could lead to violence or even a coup, secretary-general of the Provincial Administrative Organisation Association of Thailand, Chatri Yuprasert, said on Friday.

Thus, as PM Abhisit tries to assert change within the Police rank and file (starting at the top)it's no surprise he's finding strong resistance from Police and Politicians alike, whom do NOT want change... Change from a system riddled with corruption, collusion and nepotism is crucial of course, and strikes to the very heart of the matter. Whether it be JJ's jet ski rip-offs, to airport scams, etc, etc, it's all on the line and starts from the top down.

PM Abhisit is finding himself increasingly isolated by the much wider forces whom are increasingly desperate to return to a leadership which is most likely to 'serve and protect' a crooked system. A sort of unspoken 'co-operative', with the top-dog reaping lions 'share' and others allowed to join in the spoils down the food-chain, IF they serve the co-operative...

Therefore, the REAL issue here isn't about fighting to protect 'democracy', rather, it's about fighting to protect a system of corruption, collusion and nepotism.

Exactly how isolated PM Abhisit has become, and how desperate others have become who wish to see 'the co-operative' protected at any costs, may all be revealed very shortly...

Good luck Thailand.

Edited September 17, 2009 by baht&sold

[john b good]

Thaksin says Abhisit interfered in police chief's appointment

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra said Thursday that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva had severely affected the police's morale by interfering in the national police chief's appointment.

Thaksin commented on the delay in the police chief's appointment on his twitter's page, typing: "This is the era when police were extremely interfered. When someone, who does not understand the law and internal rules of police, tried to get involved too deeply, police's morale were severely affected."

-- The Nation 2009/09/17

Who is thaksin to critiscise anyone. He is a convicted felon

[john b good]

Why this is important:

1) The Police are primarily in charge of controlling the red rally..

2) Few in the Police appear to want any reform or any changes made which may upset their 'system' (or 'co-operative')... and most ardently support Mr Thaksin

3) Mr Thaksin clearly knows how the co-operative works and how to 'work it' to make it work for him... (the rank and file appears to respect this)

4) Last week it was suggested the Police may 'revolt' - see:

The removal of police chief Pol Gen Phatcharawat Wongsuwon to an inactive post at the PM’s Office had upset other police and could lead to violence or even a coup, secretary-general of the Provincial Administrative Organisation Association of Thailand, Chatri Yuprasert, said on Friday.

Thus, as PM Abhisit tries to assert change within the Police rank and file (starting at the top)it's no surprise he's finding strong resistance from Police and Politicians alike, whom do NOT want change... Change from a system riddled with corruption, collusion and nepotism is crucial of course, and strikes to the very heart of the matter. Whether it be JJ's jet ski rip-offs, to airport scams, etc, etc, it's all on the line and starts from the top down.

PM Abhisit is finding himself increasingly isolated by the much wider forces whom are increasingly desperate to return to a leadership which is most likely to 'serve and protect' a crooked system. A sort of unspoken 'co-operative', with the top-dog reaping lions 'share' and others allowed to join in the spoils down the food-chain, IF they serve the co-operative...

Therefore, the REAL issue here isn't about fighting to protect 'democracy', rather, it's about fighting to protect a system of corruption, collusion and nepotism.

Exactly how isolated PM Abhisit has become, and how desperate others have become who wish to see 'the co-operative' protected at any costs, may all be revealed very shortly...

Good luck Thailand.

They are gonna need it "luck that is"

These people do know what a democracy is. It's not in their dictionaries.

In Abhisit thay have if not the most honest PM in decades, or at worst the 2nd most honest PM (and no thaksin is not in the equation) and the poor bastaaard is in an almost no win situation. And if Abhisit loses Thailand will never recover in the next millenium.

They have got one shot in getting it right and if they blow this one "som nam naa" to all denizens of the realm because they have the power to make the changes.

Edited September 17, 2009 by john b good

[GarryP]

With nothing to do, Mr. T spends all his time interfering with himself.

[noithip]

"Puea Thai MP for Samut Prakarn, Pracha Prasopdee, who has recently returned from visiting fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra in the United Arab Emirates, said Thaksin told him to keep a close watch on the situation on Saturday.

“The former premier predicted that there could be a crucial change in the political core on that day,” Mr Pracha said."

The police enjoyed lots of power under Thaksin, now they are back to be under the military.

as baht&sold quoted before....

a Police coup?

not impossible

[Ga-gai]

Yeah...And Thaksin never interfered with police or army promotions right...

If it's not in Thaksin's favor, then it's severely bad!

Edited September 17, 2009 by Ga-gai

[Plus]

It's Abhisit's job to appoint the police chief, how he could possibly "interfere"?

He was given seven names to choose from, and he needs board endorsement for his choice. Where is interfering in that, and how does it concern Thaksin? Is he not interfering himself by making it a rallying point?

Police appointment has nothing to do with reds or the general public. Are they trying to put an external pressure on board members? Who's interfering here?

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Police chief choice now a contest for high rollers

By Tulsat(at)hotmail.com

Published on September 18, 2009

The pot is getting bigger and bigger in the police chief poker game between Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and the Bhum Jai Thai Party.

Wednesday's decision by the Police Commission to further delay the appointment of a new police chief must be pleasing the opposition Pheu Thai Party which is sitting on the fence watching the mutually destructive showdown. It has come to the point where nobody will really win, whoever becomes the new head of police.

To Abhisit, the longer it drags on, the bigger the loss will look if he loses. Although there may be much more that is happening below the surface and truly beyond his control, the delay has undermined his clout and a defeat would all but finish him off.

If Bhum Jai Thai has its way and Jumpol Manmai takes the police helm, it won't be just a loss of face for Abhisit - as initially it would have been. He has staked his leadership, and thus future, by refusing to give up early.

Bhum Jai Thai has no face to lose, but Abhisit's victory would wreck the coalition partner's ambitions. The major difference between Jumpol and Abhisit's nominee, Pratheep Tanprasert, is the names they would put on the police transfer list. And everyone knows how important provincial police roles are when elections come.

Abhisit's last option is to appoint an "acting" police chief if the stalemate cannot be solved by September 30. This action would embarrass both the prime minister and his opponents a little, and keep the tension simmering. But at least, he hopes, a head-on collision could be averted.

This saga is the biggest price yet that Abhisit has had to pay for agreeing to the political marriage with Newin Chidchob. To get the latter's support for his rise to the premiership, Abhisit had to sacrifice a must-do rule strictly observed by most ruling parties before his - no matter how hard it is to share the Cabinet cake with your allies, keep the Interior Ministry for yourself.

It is now impossible to remove Chaovarat Chanweerakul, who as interior minister is leading Bhum Jai Thai's tough resistance in the Police Commission against Pratheep's nomination. Chaovarat's camp controls around 4 votes in the panel against Abhisit's shaky 5. (The commission has 11 voting members including Abhisit. But one newly-selected member can still not vote. Abhisit, by good etiquette, would rather not vote unless called on because he's the commission's chairman.)

"Shaky" means at least one pro-Pratheep commissioner has always shown a tendency to switch sides. And such an about-turn was reportedly the case on Wednesday. Acting police chief Thani Sombunsap, it was said, informed Abhisit he could not vote for Pratheep and would now go for Jumpol. This apparently caused the abrupt end to the Police Commission's meeting because the prime minister had no choice but to defer to the voting.

There has been gossip about why Thani changed tracks, and why other pro-Abhisit commissioners were worried and didn't want the matter to be concluded on Wednesday. The commission has been subjected to intense lobbying, and some of it has little to do with the Bhum Jai Thai Party. In other words, if this was a poker game between Abhisit and Bhum Jai Thai, the accumulating stakes do not necessarily belong to just the two of them.

Suthep Thaugsuban, the Democrat kingmaker, for instance, has something to win and lose. Nobody knows for sure what promises he has made with Bhum Jai Thai, but until today he and Niphon Prompan, another senior Democrat, are known to be steadfast about Jumpol as the new police chief.

The "acting police chief" solution was tried by Thaksin Shinawatra in 2004 when legal obstacles prevented him from officially replacing removed police chief Sant Sarutanond with an official, permanent successor. Pol General Sunthorn Saikwan served as acting head of police for several months.

The difference between then and now is that Thaksin had everything under his control. Abhisit, on the contrary, is playing what looks like a bad hand over a very big pot.

-- The Nation 2009/09/18

[animatic]

This just the Bus Leasing contract type thing round 3.

BJT is trying to buy influence for the long term, and The Dems are trying to block it.

So far history shows Abhisit has come out on top before. This one is just going slower.

This staked leadership loss of face talk is just hyperbole.

it IS a knock down drag out fight of course, with a lot at stake,

but not enough cash has so far changed hands to buy out the top seat,

in this Ponzi Scheme of a medieval era patronage position.

There is the control of the patronage, but also security for the team at the top at stake,

No doubt that is what is concerning Abhisit, while the boys wanting the gig are worried about naked power

and cashflow for their NEXT bump up the ladder upon retirement.

[hammered]

Thaksin turned the police into his private army and 84% of Thai people recognize this so any comment by him on the institution is ridicuous.

[KevinBloodyWilson]

Thaksin turned the police into his private army and 84% of Thai people recognize this so any comment by him on the institution is ridicuous.

As much as I detest the glove puppet Abhisit and all he stands for (and all that stands behind him), this post is exactly right. And a lot of good it ended up doing him.

[dominique355]

wrong move mr. abhisit.

Stupid me! I have been under the impression that the national police has to follow orders of the national government. But obviously Thaksin and his cronies (such as mc2) seem to believe that the law and the democratic rules (such as separation of power) do not apply to them.

Well, of course the government and the PM have a say in the choice of the national police!! Who else? The Mafia?

[Thai at Heart]

wrong move mr. abhisit.

Stupid me! I have been under the impression that the national police has to follow orders of the national government. But obviously Thaksin and his cronies (such as mc2) seem to believe that the law and the democratic rules (such as separation of power) do not apply to them.

Well, of course the government and the PM have a say in the choice of the national police!! Who else? The Mafia?

Separation of Power?

Didn't you realise you are in hub of old fashioned hard core shooting and modern soft powered (delivering nothing) coups.

Edited September 18, 2009 by Thai at Heart