Fight Off

[keyjor]

how this is related to thailand?

Look at the title of farang pub. Fun, entertainment, discussion.

Doesn't have to be about Thailand.

[howto]

A great thread,

I will aplolgise for this long post now.

Flames accepted...

Well I had a brown belt in Taekwondo (late 1970's),

only 2 months away from taking my Black belt test,

but shti hits the fan in ones life and it was not to be.

The nominees so far in the thread are...

Any James Bond, no martial arts, zero belts

Jason Bourne, no martial arts, zero belts

The Transporter (Frank Martin), no martial arts, zero belts

Sylvester Stallone (Rambo), no martial arts, zero belts

John McClane, no martial arts, zero belts

Jet Li (Jet Lee), Wushu, can't find any info on certification except,

Li is a master of several styles of wushu,

especially Changquan (Northern Longfist Style)

and Fanziquan (Tumbling fist).

He has also studied other arts including

Baguazhang (Eight trigram palm),

Taijiquan (Tai chi),

Xingyiquan (Shape intent fist), Zuiquan (Drunken fist),

and Tang lang quan (Praying mantis fist).

He has also studied some of wushu's main weapons, such as

San jie gun (Three sectional staff), Gun (Staff), Dao (Broadsword),

Jian (Straight sword) and many more,

BUT note: he quit wushu at age 17 and became an actor (dohh!!).

Charles Bronson, no martial arts, zero belts

Clint Eastwood, no martial arts, zero belts

Steven Segal, Yoshinkan Aikido, grandmaster,

only foreigner to have a dojo in japan

Arnold, no martial arts, zero belts

(you have to be joking, remember Predator, there close to the end,

where he has the predator in the "ditch", predator takes off it's mask and

Arnold "straight-arm punches" it in it's maw (only once)...

then stands there, waits, and takes a full brunt punch?

What rubbish! Punch it only once and wait to get hit!

Bruce Lee, Kung <deleted>, belts? umm hard to say, see below

Van damme (not mentioned in the thread),

He began martial arts at the age of ten,

enrolled by his father in a Shotokan karate school.

His styles consist of kickboxing, Shotokan karate, Muay Thai, and Taekwondo.

He eventually earned his black belt in karate,

later winning (1980s) the

European Karate Association's middleweight championship

in a stunning upset versus the former champion Michael J. Heming.

(I'm not a fan of his movies, they are lame and could have been better)

Ok, Ok, OK!

I enjoy "movie magic" also, but to a point.

here are my nominees...

2'nd - Bruce Lee

Why 2'nd, well...

A) he was never "belted" (at least I can't find it),

but I would say at least >8'th degree in Kung <deleted>.

And he never "competed" in Tournaments, as required...

but most certainly has faught real battles, I have no doubt.

Bruce Lee would destroy those previously mentioned in 60 seconds.

Now for a "real" battle hardened martial artist in the movies...

I do not think Bruce Lee would best...

Chuck Norris (unmentioned above)

After finishing high school, In 1958 Norris joined

the United States Air Force as a military Air Policeman

and was sent to Osan Air Base, South Korea.

It was in South Korea that Norris acquired the nickname Chuck

and began his training in Tang Soo Do (tangsudo)

(known in the US as common Karate).

After his discharge in 1962, he learned further schools of martial arts,

an interest that would lead to black belts in

Tang Soo Do (Karate) (10'th Degree Black Belt or above (Soke level)

Tae Kwon Do (8'th Degree Black Belt (Soke level),

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (2'nd Degree Black Belt)

He established his own fighting style,

and the founding of the Chun Kuk Do ("Universal Way") form

opened a chain of karate schools,

and the education associations "United Fighting Arts Federation".

Chuck's entrance into tournament karate began on a losing note.

He was defeated in his first two tournaments,

dropping decisions to Joe Lewis and Allan Steen.

However, by 1967, Norris began to demonstrate his skill

and scored victories over the likes of

Joe Lewis, Skipper Mullins, Arnold Urquidez, Victor Moore,

Ron Marchini, and Steve Sanders.

In early 1968, Chuck suffered the fifth and last loss of his career,

losing an upset decision to Louis Delgado.

However, on November 24, 1968, Chuck avenged his defeat to Delgado

and in the process won

the Professional Middleweight Karate champion (non-contact) title,

which he held for six consecutive years.

In 1968, Chuck was

inducted into the Black Belt Hall of Fame as Fighter of the Year.

In 1969,

he won Karate's triple crown for the most tournament wins of the year,

and the fighter of the year award by Black Belt Magazine.

Chuck Norris's fight career lasted from 1964-1974.

Norris started off by losing his first three tournaments but, by 1966,

he was almost unbeatable.

Among the numerous titles he won were

The National Karate Championships (1966),

All-Star Championships (1966),

World Middleweight Karate Championship (1967),

All-American Karate Championship (1967),

Internationals (1968),

World Professional Middleweight Karate Championship

(defeating Louis Delgado on 24 November 1968),

All-American Championship (1968),

National Tournament of Champions (1968),

American Tang Soo Championship, and the

North American Karate Championship.

Norris compiled a fight record of 65-5 with wins over champions

Joe Lewis, Skipper Mullins, Arnold Urquidez,

Ronald L. Marchini, Victor Moore, Louis Delgado, and Steve Sanders.

Of the five men to beat Norris, three were

Allen Steen, Joe Lewis,

and Norris's last career defeat to Louis Delgado in 1968.

In 1974, Norris retired as a six-time

undefeated World Professional Full-Contact MiddleWeight Karate Champion.

Chuck Norris met Bruce Lee during this period at a martial arts presentation.

The movie career of Chuck Norris started in 1972 with the

martial arts movie "Way of the Dragon" in which he co-starred Bruce Lee,

(at the end of the movie, as a assassin, and is killed).

He began to take acting classes,

and in 1974 made his debut in a leading role in Breaker! Breaker!,

an action movie.

Chuck Norris rose to fame during the late 70’s

and remained the top star of the Cannon film company

until the end of the 80’s.

Most of his movies,

whether they were crime or action, involved martial arts.

He is probably most famous for his Vietnam movies,

the Missing in Action series (1984, 1985 and 1988), and

The Delta Force series (1986 and 1990).

With the declining of Cannon, Chuck Norris lost some of his fame too,

but was rediscovered in 1993 with the TV series Walker, Texas Ranger.

Walker lasted eight seasons,

and was mostly a crime-action-martial arts series.

It turned Chuck Norris towards his origins,

to the stories of Native Americans.

After the series ended in 2001,

TV movies were made to pick up the storyline,

also starring Chuck Norris in the role of Walker.

Chuck was also a renowned teacher in the martial arts.

In 1975, Chuck was inducted into the Black Belt Hall of Fame as

Instructor of the Year and in 1977,

Chuck received the honor of Man of the Year.

In 1988, Chuck wrote his autobiography, "The Secret of Inner Strength",

for Little Brown Publishing, which became a New York Times Best Seller.

He followed up a few years later with a second book,

"The Secret Power Within: Zen Solutions to Real Problems",

also with Little Brown Publishing.

Chuck is also founder and President of

United Fighting Arts Federation

with over 2,300 black belts all over the world.

In 1997, Chuck achieved another milestone in his life to be awarded an

8th degree Black Belt Grand Master recognition in the Tae Kwon Do system.

There were at least two other U.S. Black Belts

(Charles 'Chuck' Sereff and Edward Sell)

awarded TKD 8th Dan several years prior.

Chuck was asked how he would like to be remembered.

Chuck's answer was as a Humanitarian.

He has gotten a good start by:

1.) Being the spokesperson for United Way,

doing an eight-minute commercial,

which helped bring in over two billion dollars.

2.) Veterans Administration spokesperson visiting over 12 V.A. hospitals

and speaking with World War II, Korean and Vietnam War Veterans

including one from World War I.

3.) Winning the 1998 Epiphany award on Walker,

Texas Ranger for the best Christian program.

4.) The Jewish Humanitarian Man of the Year Award.

5.) Actively involved with the

Make A Wish Foundation for 20 years

by making dreams come true for terminally ill children.

6.) BMI Music Television Award for Walker,

Texas Ranger theme song, "Eyes of a Ranger".

7.) Texas Ranger Hall of Fame.

8.) Commissioned Police Officer for Terrell, Texas.

9.) Motivational speaker for many Christian ministries,

such as T.D. Jakes Ministry, Trinity Broadcasting, and Bill Glass Crusade.

But Chuck thinks his most rewarding accomplishment was

the creation of his Kick-Start Foundation.

With the help of President George Bush,

Chuck implemented a program teaching the martial arts to

150 high-risk children at M C Williams Middle School in Houston, Texas,

as part of the school curriculum.

The program was so successful in helping these kids

raise their self-esteem and instilling discipline and respect,

as well as getting them out of gangs,

that the program is now in 30 schools with over

4,200 young boys and girls actively participating.

From a different site,

posted by a older master in Karate (9th+ degree)...

--Norris was actually a full contact fight champion.

--Those were the REAL full contact days folks.

--Ron Marchini was a bad ass in the day,

but so were all those others on that list.

--Bare knuckle crazy ass MFers back then.

So let's go to a "bloodsport" fest (Kumite)...

and lay down some money...

(remember they are all at the top of their form)

Van damme will beat, in no more than 60 seconds...

Any James Bond

Jason Bourne

The Transporter (Frank Martin)

Sylvester Stallone (Rambo)

John McClane

Charles Bronson

Clint Eastwood

Arnold

Then...

Jet Li (Jet Lee) (perhaps 90 seconds)

Steven Segal (perhaps 90 seconds)

Now..

Bruce Lee will kick Van damme's butt (perhaps 2 minutes),

Then...

I would change my bet, 60/40 for Norris.

Chuck Norris will likely kick Bruce Lee's butt (perhaps 3~5 minutes)...

and that comes from very hard consideration.

(but not without some serious hits from both sides).

They are both extra-ordinarily well trained street fighters.

Norris can go the distance, I think Bruce cannot.

One can look at this for a Bruce Lee Fight History...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_history_of_Bruce_Lee

Thankfully this is about "Movie tough guys",

and not others (current non-movie),

whom are even better than they are/were.

But honestly...

no person whom holds any recognized "title" in any country...

is permitted to perform in a non-sanctioned event...

else be sanctioned, and/or loose ones title.

Anyway, Lots of fun!

I would like to see Norris against Predator. Ha!

[Ulysses G.]

Chuck Norris would bore his opponents to death!

[tutsiwarrior]

has to be Takashi Shimura's character from The Seven Samurai, the leader of the bunch...cool as a cucumber, dispatching opponents with hand weapons...some of the greatest battle scenes ever filmed...

he later played a frail and dying civil servant in Ikiru who took on the mob to build a playground in a place where they wanted to open an 'entertainment' venue...a scarred and fearsome hoodlum advanced on him and said 'do you not want to live??!!'...he was dying and just smiled...

you show me any of these 'tough guys' that are as versatile as that...

[neverdie]

^yes, I dont know how I got that mixed up.

i also like charles bronson as a tuff guy,thats probably why .....what was charles bronsons character, why cant i rememba?

Got it. Paul Kersey was the name of his character, an architect, then his wife was murdered.

OK, been on wikipedia to find out, sad eh.

No, not sad, thanks for that, need to watch the movies again, anything would have to be better than sitting through another <deleted> movie like 2012 ....I should of known better.

[keyjor]

howto

Brilliant, I never thought of Chuck.

What a reply. I am going to keep this.

Ever seen the T shirts: Don't <deleted> With Chuck?

Fantastic mate, thanks.

[keyjor]

^yes, I dont know how I got that mixed up.

i also like charles bronson as a tuff guy,thats probably why .....what was charles bronsons character, why cant i rememba?

Got it. Paul Kersey was the name of his character, an architect, then his wife was murdered.

OK, been on wikipedia to find out, sad eh.

No, not sad, thanks for that, need to watch the movies again, anything would have to be better than sitting through another <deleted> movie like 2012 ....I should of known better.

Was it that bad.

Sorry, off the thread a little. I should know better.

[neverdie]

Well its at least Thailand related, afterall the movies currently in the thai cinemas and the end of the world in 2012 as depicted in the movies also affects Thailand & yes the movie was utter crap.

Back to the fight off thread, are there any of the thai actors that could shape up for this stink?

[keyjor]

Well its at least Thailand related, afterall the movies currently in the thai cinemas and the end of the world in 2012 as depicted in the movies also affects Thailand & yes the movie was utter crap.

Back to the fight off thread, are there any of the thai actors that could shape up for this stink?

Phew not sure about that. I will ask the missus or try a little research.

Good one.

[tutsiwarrior]

howzabout Lee Marvin?...he wuz a bully and a coward when John Wayne faced him down in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance but then there's The Dirty Dozen and The Wild One...

of course, it didn't help when he got his Oscar as a drunken, clownish has been gunfighter in the comedy Cat Ballou...sorta lost his cred...

[keyjor]

howzabout Lee Marvin?...he wuz a bully and a coward when John Wayne faced him down in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance but then there's The Dirty Dozen and The Wild One...

of course, it didn't help when he got his Oscar as a drunken, clownish has been gunfighter in the comedy Cat Ballou...sorta lost his cred...

He was a tough bugger.

Love the Cat Ballou comment. Was that the movie with Jane Fonda.

Cred lost. Lee, not Jane

[mmushr00m]

(Beat) Takeshi Kitano's character in the movie Brother (Great movie).....

I'll have to give it to Chuck Norris and Charles bronson, his death wish character was hard!!!